RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Tim O'Brien
If watchdog is dead, we should move it to the Graveyard. Noel, you are the incubator guy, any ideas about starting this process - what is involved, any previous threads on the subject. Tim -Original Message- From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 29,

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Shapira, Yoav
Hi, Well, Watchdog might be dead as far as development, but we still use it to test tomcat as part of the tomcat release process. So let me discuss with fellow tomcat developers, and please don't start a process for burying watchdog yet. Thanks, Yoav Shapira Millennium Research Informatics

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Noel J. Bergman
If watchdog is dead, we should move it to the Graveyard. Noel, you are the incubator guy, any ideas about starting this process - what is involved, any previous threads on the subject. First of all, I'm curious to know what you think incubation has to do with dormant projects. Secondly, I'm

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Henri Yandell
On Fri, 4 Jun 2004, Noel J. Bergman wrote: If watchdog is dead, we should move it to the Graveyard. Noel, you are the incubator guy, any ideas about starting this process - what is involved, any previous threads on the subject. First of all, I'm curious to know what you think incubation

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Danny Angus
First of all, I'm curious to know what you think incubation has to do with dormant projects. It's the opposite. Secondly, I'm not one who favors closing an open source project. Ever. I didn't really agree with closing java.apache.org. Although I do agree with closing that domain, in

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Shapira, Yoav
Hi, I agree with one Noel, Henri, and Danny have said. For interest's sake, let me explain what's been happening with Watchdog, as I think it's a useful example for other graveyard or end-of-life scenarios. We use Watchdog as part of the tomcat release process. When Ant 1.6 was released and

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Henri Yandell wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: Secondly, I'm not one who favors closing an open source project. Ever. Only place I favour closing projects is when they are in the incubator and 'fail', or in commons-sandbox. Depends upon what happens in the Incubator. If it does actually fail,

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Yoav Shapira wrote: For interest's sake, let me explain what's been happening with Watchdog, as I think it's a useful example for other graveyard or end-of-life scenarios. We use Watchdog as part of the tomcat release process. A tiny change to the Watchdog build.xml would fix [a problem],

Re: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
On Jun 4, 2004, at 1:14 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Yoav Shapira wrote: For interest's sake, let me explain what's been happening with Watchdog, as I think it's a useful example for other graveyard or end-of-life scenarios. We use Watchdog as part of the tomcat release process. A tiny change to

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Noel J. Bergman
we do need to have someone somewhere answerable to the board and with oversight over any project which has public resources, whether it is active, maintenance only or unsupported end-of-life. Yes. But I don't think that we need a separate TLP for it. I would leave the project in the

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Shapira, Yoav
Hi, OK, then let me propose this: - We give Danny Angus and myself karma for Watchdog. There are no active committers to nominate us. - Either one of us will place a notice of dormancy (text TBD) on the front page for Watchdog - I will fix the build script so that Tomcat builds can be automated

Re: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
On Jun 4, 2004, at 1:31 PM, Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, OK, then let me propose this: - We give Danny Angus and myself karma for Watchdog. There are no active committers to nominate us. +1 - Either one of us will place a notice of dormancy (text TBD) on the front page for Watchdog +1 - I will fix

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Shapira, Yoav
Hi, We still need to take care of the mailing lists. I see two options: - We revive the watchdog-dev/watchdog-user mailing lists and redirect them somewhere like [EMAIL PROTECTED], or - We just leave them dead, take off the subscription links on the Watchdog site, and indicate in our

Re: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
On Jun 4, 2004, at 1:45 PM, Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, We still need to take care of the mailing lists. I see two options: - We revive the watchdog-dev/watchdog-user mailing lists and redirect them somewhere like [EMAIL PROTECTED], or - We just leave them dead, take off the subscription links on

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Shapira, Yoav
Hi, There's nothing to monitor: the lists are dead. Emails to watchdog-dev-subscribe/unsubscribe come back with an address not found type error. And yet those are the addresses linked on the watchdog site. So we actually have broken and misleading information there ;) (!) So why don't

Re: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
On Jun 4, 2004, at 1:54 PM, Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, There's nothing to monitor: the lists are dead. Emails to watchdog-dev-subscribe/unsubscribe come back with an address not found type error. And yet those are the addresses linked on the watchdog site. So we actually have broken and

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Noel J. Bergman
We still need to take care of the mailing lists. I see two options: - We revive the watchdog-dev/watchdog-user mailing lists and redirect them somewhere like [EMAIL PROTECTED], or - We just leave them dead, take off the subscription links on the Watchdog site, and indicate in our notice of

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Tim O'Brien
-Original Message- From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 11:13 AM To: Jakarta General List Subject: RE: [Watchdog] Dead? Henri Yandell wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: Secondly, I'm not one who favors closing an open source project.

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Tim O'Brien
-Original Message- From: Geir Magnusson Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Having Tomcat community take care of watchdog would be great, and it doesn't imply any major work like moving the code or site. Just paying attention to the lists and putting a notice on the Watchdog site

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Tim O'Brien wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: If watchdog is dead, we should move it to the Graveyard. Noel, you are the incubator guy, any ideas about starting this process First of all, I'm curious to know what you think incubation has to do with dormant projects. You've been

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Tim O'Brien
-Original Message- From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 1:55 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: RE: [Watchdog] Dead? Tim O'Brien wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: If watchdog is dead, we should move it to the Graveyard. Noel, you

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Tom Copeland
On Fri, 2004-06-04 at 15:14, Tim O'Brien wrote: It is the invite people to be active part that interests me. I'm not saying I want an activity meter the likes of Sourceforge, but it is polite to our users to give people a sense of activity. That's one of the nice things about a GForge-ish

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Tim O'Brien
-Original Message- From: Tom Copeland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 2:19 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: RE: [Watchdog] Dead? On Fri, 2004-06-04 at 15:14, Tim O'Brien wrote: It is the invite people to be active part that interests me. I'm not

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Noel J. Bergman
We agree that burying a project is less than helpful. It is the invite people to be active part that interests me. I'm not saying I want an activity meter the likes of Sourceforge, but it is polite to our users to give people a sense of activity. Well, if we focus on the word COMMUNITY

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Henri Yandell
On Fri, 4 Jun 2004, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: Yoav Shapira wrote: OK, then let me propose this: - We give Danny Angus and myself karma for Watchdog. There are no active committers to nominate us. +1 +1 Let's just go ahead and do this. :-) +1.