Re: news@jakarta list? (Re: Introducing Enterprise Object Broker)

2002-03-08 Thread Alex McLintock

 --- Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 I think the original suggestion of [EMAIL PROTECTED] was fine. 
 
 It is not mysterious or hard to remember, and most of the OT threads
 around here are generated by some type of news item. 
 
 -Ted.
 

I can easily set up a slashcode site specifically for Apache news if you like.
Wait a minute - I've done one already



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Re: news@jakarta list? (Re: Introducing Enterprise Object Broker)

2002-03-08 Thread Santiago Gala

Jeff Turner wrote:

On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 06:03:21PM +, Pier Fumagalli wrote:

Paul Hammant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Folks,

Enterprise Object Broker (EOB) is an application server that tries to a
be a simpler EJB container.  It is not complete yet, but we have many
demos showing local, remote, and webapp usage.

Ok. Will we all stop using general@jakarta for advertisement of things which
are NOT ASF related? Thankyou...


Then could we perhaps have a news@jakarta list for this sort of thing? A
lot of people find announcements like this relevant and interesting.

On a related (technological) note:

We Jetspeed people (actually Raphael Lutta) put one year ago RSS 
channels, for our own purposes of showing them in the demo Jetspeed setup:

http://jakarta.apache.org/jetspeed/channels/apache.ocs is an Open 
Content Syndication feed
http://jakarta.apache.org/jetspeed/channels/jetspeed.rss is a channel 
for Jetspeed
http://jakarta.apache.org/jetspeed/channels/turbine.rss is a channel for 
turbine

The RSS mechanism could be easily used for news and content syndication 
@apache. Channels can be added, generated, etc. for different projects 
or activities, and used for dynamic linking to apache news from outside 
the web site.


How is it different from freshmeat? It's that 'community' thing Stefano
goes on about. People have established webs of trust here. EOB is by
Apache people, using Apache code, and that makes it *relevant*.


--Jeff

Pier



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News, RSS, blogs, Cocoon (Re: news@jakarta list?)

2002-03-08 Thread Jeff Turner

On Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 12:00:11PM +0100, Santiago Gala wrote:
...
 Then could we perhaps have a news@jakarta list for this sort of thing? A
 lot of people find announcements like this relevant and interesting.
 
 On a related (technological) note:
 
 We Jetspeed people (actually Raphael Lutta) put one year ago RSS 
 channels, for our own purposes of showing them in the demo Jetspeed setup:
 
 http://jakarta.apache.org/jetspeed/channels/apache.ocs is an Open 
 Content Syndication feed
 http://jakarta.apache.org/jetspeed/channels/jetspeed.rss is a channel 
 for Jetspeed
 http://jakarta.apache.org/jetspeed/channels/turbine.rss is a channel for 
 turbine
 
 The RSS mechanism could be easily used for news and content syndication 
 @apache. Channels can be added, generated, etc. for different projects 
 or activities, and used for dynamic linking to apache news from outside 
 the web site.

Sounds nice. Is this demo Jetspeed setup actually live somewhere?

Adding some weblogs as newsfeeds would be good too. Weblogs are
wonderful things. Have a look at http://www.need-a-cake.com/

Any JAMES people lurking here? Would it be possible to rig up a mailet
that wraps incoming posts in XML and makes them available as an RSS feed?
That way we could have an easy-to-use news submission process.

FYI (for those who weren't aware), there's a new xml-forrest project
project at xml.apache.org, specifically for things like this.

Another FYI for Jetspeed people: Cocoon is very much encroaching on your
portal turf ;) See
http://www.need-a-cake.com/stories/2002/02/14/cocoonPortalFirstLook.html


--Jeff

(idling.. friday evening..)


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Re: cvs commit: jakarta-poi/build/jakarta-poi/docs/apidocs/org/apache/poi/util - New directory

2002-03-08 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi

Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
 
 Hi Stefano,
 
 I totally agree, here is the problem:
 
 I've offered to write this script provided with the relevant
 server/directory information.  I've offered to help however I can to get
 the POI website up, the builds and releases up, etc.
 
 No one has taken me up on it.  Via CVS is the ONLY way modifications can
 be made to our website.

 To be honest, I'm kinda frustrated.  The project has been held back
 because we can't get our builds published, we've only recently gotten
 the site up and modifications working.
 
 Until we have a solution that allows us to publish information on our
 website, and have our build published there is really nothing I can do
 about this.  Shortly we'll even be committing a milestone build into our
 CVS just to get it on our website because it is the only way we can
 publish builds.

We are working for a complete solution to these problems in the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] project, the goal is to come up with a
complete cvs-web publishing infrastructure for xml.apache.org, but
we'll make sure it's easily adopted also for other projects.

Then it will be up to each general@ community to decide what publishing
system to use.
 
 I'm fully happy to participate in another solution, but no one has taken
 me up on that up to now.  I've asked for Marc to be given access to that
 server (he's our build scientist), but no one has taken me up on that.

Ok, [EMAIL PROTECTED], could you please set up an account for 

   Marc Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

he is already a committer on cvs.apache.org for the POI project. He
needs to access the /www/jakarta.apache.org/poi/ directory.
 
 So basically until it annoys someone enough to help us out, this is the
 only thing we can do...

This should fix it. If not, please, let us know what we can do to help.

 Sorry,
 
 Andy
 
 On Thu, 2002-03-07 at 07:57, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   acoliver02/03/06 18:27:54
  
 jakarta-poi/build/jakarta-poi/docs/apidocs/org/apache/poi/util - New directory
 
  I would *strongly* suggest to avoid adding things that can be
  autogenerated (such as javadocs) in the CVS repository, the Apache CVS
  is already big enough. Thanks.
 
  --
  Stefano Mazzocchi  One must still have chaos in oneself to be
able to give birth to a dancing star.
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] Friedrich Nietzsche
  
 
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 http://jakarta.apache.org - port of Excel/Word/OLE 2 Compound Document
 format to java
 http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4487555.html
 - fix java generics!
 The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to
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Re: news@jakarta list? (Re: Introducing Enterprise Object Broker)

2002-03-08 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Jeff Turner wrote:
 
  Then could we perhaps have a news@jakarta list for this sort of thing? A
  lot of people find announcements like this relevant and interesting.
 
 +1  as I like those messages - but general@ should be kept clean
 and lean for jakarta projects and asf code mostly.

+1 as well.

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  able to give birth to a dancing star.
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Re: cvs commit: jakarta-poi/build/jakarta-poi/docs/apidocs/org/apache/poi/util - New directory

2002-03-08 Thread Andrew C. Oliver

Thanks Stefano!  Thanks nameless faceless root!  :-)

-Andy

On Fri, 2002-03-08 at 06:33, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
 Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
  
  Hi Stefano,
  
  I totally agree, here is the problem:
  
  I've offered to write this script provided with the relevant
  server/directory information.  I've offered to help however I can to get
  the POI website up, the builds and releases up, etc.
  
  No one has taken me up on it.  Via CVS is the ONLY way modifications can
  be made to our website.
 
  To be honest, I'm kinda frustrated.  The project has been held back
  because we can't get our builds published, we've only recently gotten
  the site up and modifications working.
  
  Until we have a solution that allows us to publish information on our
  website, and have our build published there is really nothing I can do
  about this.  Shortly we'll even be committing a milestone build into our
  CVS just to get it on our website because it is the only way we can
  publish builds.
 
 We are working for a complete solution to these problems in the
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] project, the goal is to come up with a
 complete cvs-web publishing infrastructure for xml.apache.org, but
 we'll make sure it's easily adopted also for other projects.
 
 Then it will be up to each general@ community to decide what publishing
 system to use.
  
  I'm fully happy to participate in another solution, but no one has taken
  me up on that up to now.  I've asked for Marc to be given access to that
  server (he's our build scientist), but no one has taken me up on that.
 
 Ok, [EMAIL PROTECTED], could you please set up an account for 
 
Marc Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 he is already a committer on cvs.apache.org for the POI project. He
 needs to access the /www/jakarta.apache.org/poi/ directory.
  
  So basically until it annoys someone enough to help us out, this is the
  only thing we can do...
 
 This should fix it. If not, please, let us know what we can do to help.
 
  Sorry,
  
  Andy
  
  On Thu, 2002-03-07 at 07:57, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
acoliver02/03/06 18:27:54
   
  jakarta-poi/build/jakarta-poi/docs/apidocs/org/apache/poi/util - New 
directory
  
   I would *strongly* suggest to avoid adding things that can be
   autogenerated (such as javadocs) in the CVS repository, the Apache CVS
   is already big enough. Thanks.
  
   --
   Stefano Mazzocchi  One must still have chaos in oneself to be
 able to give birth to a dancing star.
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] Friedrich Nietzsche
   
  
  --
  http://www.superlinksoftware.com
  http://jakarta.apache.org - port of Excel/Word/OLE 2 Compound Document
  format to java
  http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4487555.html
  - fix java generics!
  The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to
  vote.
  -Ambassador Kosh
 
 
 -- 
 Stefano Mazzocchi  One must still have chaos in oneself to be
   able to give birth to a dancing star.
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Friedrich Nietzsche
 
 
 
-- 
http://www.superlinksoftware.com
http://jakarta.apache.org - port of Excel/Word/OLE 2 Compound Document 
format to java
http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4487555.html 
- fix java generics!
The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to
vote.
-Ambassador Kosh


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Re: News, RSS, blogs, Cocoon (Re: news@jakarta list?)

2002-03-08 Thread Santiago Gala

Jeff Turner wrote:

On Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 12:00:11PM +0100, Santiago Gala wrote:
...

Then could we perhaps have a news@jakarta list for this sort of thing? A
lot of people find announcements like this relevant and interesting.

On a related (technological) note:

We Jetspeed people (actually Raphael Lutta) put one year ago RSS 
channels, for our own purposes of showing them in the demo Jetspeed setup:

http://jakarta.apache.org/jetspeed/channels/apache.ocs is an Open 
Content Syndication feed
http://jakarta.apache.org/jetspeed/channels/jetspeed.rss is a channel 
for Jetspeed
http://jakarta.apache.org/jetspeed/channels/turbine.rss is a channel for 
turbine

The RSS mechanism could be easily used for news and content syndication 
@apache. Channels can be added, generated, etc. for different projects 
or activities, and used for dynamic linking to apache news from outside 
the web site.


Sounds nice. Is this demo Jetspeed setup actually live somewhere?

I have a copy running at

http://hisitech.com/jetspeed/ (rather out of date, and messed up by 
hundreds of people customizing layout).
David Taylor uses to have one around http://bluesunrise.com/jetspeed

There are portals using Jetspeed around (see 
http://jakarta.apache.org/jetspeed/site/usejetspeed.html), but most use 
their own feeds.


Adding some weblogs as newsfeeds would be good too. Weblogs are
wonderful things. Have a look at http://www.need-a-cake.com/

Any JAMES people lurking here? Would it be possible to rig up a mailet
that wraps incoming posts in XML and makes them available as an RSS feed?
That way we could have an easy-to-use news submission process.

FYI (for those who weren't aware), there's a new xml-forrest project
project at xml.apache.org, specifically for things like this.

I knew this one.


Another FYI for Jetspeed people: Cocoon is very much encroaching on your
portal turf ;) See
http://www.need-a-cake.com/stories/2002/02/14/cocoonPortalFirstLook.html

I know. Further, cocoon and Jetspeed people should team together to 
ensure that Sun's JSR#168 standardizes around a reasonable Portlet API 
specification, specially WRT SAX stream portlets, so that Cocoon can 
implement a portlet container respecting the standard and using Cocoons 
streaming capabilities at the same time. Jetspeed will be conformant to 
the ByteStream or SAX stream API rather easily, and at due time, using 
jsp and/or Velocity.



--Jeff

(idling.. friday evening..)


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