Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Commons EL 1.0 Released

2003-06-25 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 06:02 PM, Pier Fumagalli wrote:

On 25/6/03 2:49 "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Tuesday, June 24, 2003, at 06:58 AM, Pier Fumagalli wrote:

Someone cares to explain the difference between JEXL and this one?
Jexl is my own concoction to do what the JSTL EL does with extensions,
w/o worry about some of the limitations of the EL (such as access to
methods...)
Ah! :-) Because I always used the JSP spec to guide me in the use of 
JEXL
expressions..
Jexl was originally written to support as far as it could the JSTL 
spec.  That's still the intention - however, there are useful things 
from other places (like Velocity) where extending the spec was 
important to me and to users, such as arbitrary method calls

   foo.bar( woogie.thingy() )

I'm not sure where the JSP spec is on this at this point.


Jelly uses Jexl, and Maven use Jelly, so there is some use :)
I'm just digging around for expression languages, and was wondering 
about
the differences (as they do look way similar)... Anyhow, I just opted 
to use
JXPATH :-)
:)

geir


Pier

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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Commons EL 1.0 Released

2003-06-25 Thread Pier Fumagalli
On 25/6/03 2:49 "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> On Tuesday, June 24, 2003, at 06:58 AM, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
> 
>> Someone cares to explain the difference between JEXL and this one?
> 
> Jexl is my own concoction to do what the JSTL EL does with extensions,
> w/o worry about some of the limitations of the EL (such as access to
> methods...)

Ah! :-) Because I always used the JSP spec to guide me in the use of JEXL
expressions..

> Jelly uses Jexl, and Maven use Jelly, so there is some use :)

I'm just digging around for expression languages, and was wondering about
the differences (as they do look way similar)... Anyhow, I just opted to use
JXPATH :-)

Pier


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cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs/site elsewhere.xml

2003-06-25 Thread rdonkin
rdonkin 2003/06/25 11:15:16

  Modified:docs index.html
   docs/site elsewhere.html
   xdocsindex.xml
   xdocs/site elsewhere.xml
  Log:
  Added an item of news about ant and xerces winning 2003 javaworld awards. Better 
late than never.
  
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   Other news from Jakarta 
   and Elsewhere
   
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  +Ant and XercesJ win 2003 JavaWorld Awards 

   12 June 2003 - 
James
   featured on IBM developerWorks 
   03 June 2003 - Jakarta 
Lucene and Commons Digester
   featured on IBM developerWorks 
28 May 2003 - Apache 
2.0.46 Released
   22 May 2003 - Jakarta 
Newsletter Issue 8 Released
  -12 May 2003 - James 
2.1.3 released.
   
   
   
  
  
  
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  +25 June 2003 - Apache Tools Feature In 2003 JavaWorld Awards
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  +The results of the 7th JavaWorld Tools award are given in http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-06-2003/jw-0609-eca.html";>this article.
  +http://ant.apache.org";>Ant won the Most Useful Java 
Community-Developed Technology
  +award. http://xml.apache.org/xerces2-j/index.html";>Xerces Java won the 
Best Java-XML Tool.
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  +Congratulations!
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   12 June 2003 - James featured on IBM developerWorks
   
   
  
  
  
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   Other news from Jakarta 
   and Elsewhere
   
  +25 June 2003 - 
  +Ant and XercesJ win 2003 JavaWorld Awards 

   12 June 2003 - 
James
   featured on IBM developerWorks 
   03 June 2003 - Jakarta 
Lucene and Commons Digester
   featured on IBM developerWorks 
28 May 2003 - Apache 
2.0.46 Released
   22 May 2003 - Jakarta 
Newsletter Issue 8 Released
  -12 May 2003 - James 
2.1.3 released.
   
   
   
  
  
  
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  +25 June 2003 - Apache Tools Feature In 2003 JavaWorld Awards
  +
  +
  +The results of the 7th JavaWorld Tools award are given in this article.
  +Ant won the Most Useful Java 
Community-Developed Technology
  +award. Xerces Java won the 
Best Java-XML Tool.
  +
  +
  +Congratulations!
  +
  +
  +
   
   
   12 June 2003 - James featured on IBM developerWorks
  
  
  

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Re: Apache vote on TCK re Sun

2003-06-25 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
I'd hope the ASF would vote against it in the final vote if it doesn't
support open implementations with reasonable licenses.

On 6/25/03 9:11 AM, "Vic Cekvenich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> http://www.theserverside.com/home/thread.jsp?thread_id=20005
> 
> http://www.theserverside.com/home/thread.jsp?thread_id=19942
> 
> As per above I Quote:
> "though IBM and Motorola still voted no. There also appear to be some
> disagreements within the JCP board about the licensing of these specs.
> Sun apparently plans to charge a "Per unit royalty fee which will be
> dependent on volume."
> 
> Doug Lea voted with comment.
> 
> Apache vote with Sun with YES, without comment this says.
> 
> I am wondering why? Other voted YES with comment.
> 
> I personally wish they voted NO as they did in past on similar topic. I
> mean look at the implications, such as JBOSS is not J2EE (no big fan of
> EJB here),  this makes it harder to have a Jakarta project that is JCP.
> 
> Is anyone privy to ASF feeling on this topic related to open source in
> general and Java? I know there was some agreement btwn Sun and ASF.
> JCP *is* Sun domintated, but not ASF, AFAIK
> IBM seems more friendly to O.S, they said OK, but had a comment.
> 
> 
> .V
> 
> 
> ps: This is a possibility as well down the road:
> http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20030213.html
> 
> That is why my clients don't use Sun VM in favor of BEA J:Rockit, and
> IBM VM. Java would live past Sun, should the worst happen.
> http://www.penguincomputing.com/graphics/desktops/eclipse1280x1024.jpg
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Apache vote on TCK re Sun

2003-06-25 Thread Vic Cekvenich
http://www.theserverside.com/home/thread.jsp?thread_id=20005

http://www.theserverside.com/home/thread.jsp?thread_id=19942

As per above I Quote:
"though IBM and Motorola still voted no. There also appear to be some 
disagreements within the JCP board about the licensing of these specs. 
Sun apparently plans to charge a "Per unit royalty fee which will be 
dependent on volume."

Doug Lea voted with comment.

Apache vote with Sun with YES, without comment this says.

I am wondering why? Other voted YES with comment.

I personally wish they voted NO as they did in past on similar topic. I 
mean look at the implications, such as JBOSS is not J2EE (no big fan of 
EJB here),  this makes it harder to have a Jakarta project that is JCP.

Is anyone privy to ASF feeling on this topic related to open source in 
general and Java? I know there was some agreement btwn Sun and ASF.
JCP *is* Sun domintated, but not ASF, AFAIK
IBM seems more friendly to O.S, they said OK, but had a comment.

.V

ps: This is a possibility as well down the road:
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20030213.html
That is why my clients don't use Sun VM in favor of BEA J:Rockit, and 
IBM VM. Java would live past Sun, should the worst happen.



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Re: Apache vote on TCK re Sun

2003-06-25 Thread Vic Cekvenich
http://www.theserverside.com/home/thread.jsp?thread_id=20005

http://www.theserverside.com/home/thread.jsp?thread_id=19942

As per above I Quote:
"though IBM and Motorola still voted no. There also appear to be some 
disagreements within the JCP board about the licensing of these specs. 
Sun apparently plans to charge a "Per unit royalty fee which will be 
dependent on volume."

Doug Lea voted with comment.

Apache vote with Sun with YES, without comment this says.

I am wondering why? Other voted YES with comment.

I personally wish they voted NO as they did in past on similar topic. I 
mean look at the implications, such as JBOSS is not J2EE (no big fan of 
EJB here),  this makes it harder to have a Jakarta project that is JCP.

Is anyone privy to ASF feeling on this topic related to open source in 
general and Java? I know there was some agreement btwn Sun and ASF.
JCP *is* Sun domintated, but not ASF, AFAIK
IBM seems more friendly to O.S, they said OK, but had a comment.

.V

ps: This is a possibility as well down the road:
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20030213.html
That is why my clients don't use Sun VM in favor of BEA J:Rockit, and 
IBM VM. Java would live past Sun, should the worst happen.
http://www.penguincomputing.com/graphics/desktops/eclipse1280x1024.jpg



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