Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status

2003-12-31 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 30, 2003, at 8:37 PM, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: Martin Cooper wrote: This doesn't seem quite right to me. I agree that when we have voted in a new committer, both the existing committers and the new committer have had the same expectations with respect to their rights and

Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status

2003-12-31 Thread Harish Krishnaswamy
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Dec 30, 2003, at 8:37 PM, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: Martin Cooper wrote: This doesn't seem quite right to me. I agree that when we have voted in a new committer, both the existing committers and the new committer have had the same expectations with respect to

Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status

2003-12-31 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
If I were the chair of the Jakarta PMC and a board member and favored seeing Jakarta split up into TLPs, I'd do this: 1. Put everyone on the PMC 2. Get them in a reorganization type discussion Because the bulk of the 700? committers at Apache are in Jakarta and the bulk of the discussion has no

Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status

2003-12-31 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:13:59 -0500 Andrew C. Oliver wrote: If I were the chair of the Jakarta PMC and a board member and favored seeing Jakarta split up into TLPs, I'd do this: 1. Put everyone on the PMC 2. Get them in a reorganization type discussion In HTTPD/APR world. mostly Apache

Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status

2003-12-31 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, 1 Jan 2004, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:13:59 -0500 Andrew C. Oliver wrote: If I were the chair of the Jakarta PMC and a board member and favored seeing Jakarta split up into TLPs, I'd do this: 1. Put everyone on the PMC 2. Get them in a reorganization

Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status

2003-12-31 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:18:29 -0500 Ted Husted wrote: If Struts does graduate to a TLP, I would update the wiki page based on our own experience (if someone doesn't beat me to it) and post a link to all the DEV lists. (Unless, of course, the growing consensus changes and the PMC decides to do

Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status

2003-12-31 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata
Hi, Henri and all On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:44:31 -0500 (EST) Henri Yandell wrote: I'd like to see the jakarta XXX PMC groups to be organized into subgroups realms. Jakarta has it's own brand. You can have either Jakarta POI or Apache POI, i guess... subsets of the group. .. thus would be

RE: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status

2003-12-31 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: Two major options seem to be: 1) Big PMC that everyone is on, with the reality that we have interest in various areas. 2) Promote projects to TLP. 2) is not realistic. Why not? I don't agree that ALL projects should, but Henri didn't say

Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status

2003-12-31 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 13:36:27 -0500 Noel J. Bergman wrote: Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: Two major options seem to be: 1) Big PMC that everyone is on, with the reality that we have interest in various areas. 2) Promote projects to TLP. 2) is not realistic.

Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status

2003-12-31 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
In HTTPD/APR world. mostly Apache MEMBERS = Apache COMMITTERS. (OH, you pointed it our, 6 months ago ;-)! You must mean HTTPD PMC Members ~= HTTPD Committers more ore less. Yes. Size matters. This is obviously not feasible for Jakarta as we are demonstrating so aptly. You/I can see the

Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status

2003-12-31 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:27:30 -0500 Andrew C. Oliver wrote: In HTTPD/APR world. mostly Apache MEMBERS = Apache COMMITTERS. (OH, you pointed it our, 6 months ago ;-)! You must mean HTTPD PMC Members ~= HTTPD Committers more ore less. Yes. Obvious. HTTPD (Apache HTTP WebServer Project) does