jelly releases

2004-02-11 Thread Torsten Curdt
Is there a particular reason why the jelly release is
hosted on ibiblio.org? (No nagging - just curious)
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Using apache feather logo

2004-02-11 Thread TANAKA Yoshihiro
I,m Yoshi TANAKA, a member of Japanese Jakarta user's group.
We're planning to make our stickers for give-aways to attendees at
Java Technology Conference in Japan to be held next week.
We'd like to include your feather logo into our stickers.
These stickers will not be used for commercial purposes.
Those will be given as an expression of our gratitude to the
persons who answered our questionnaires about Jakara products.

Pleae inform me if there will be any license violation in usage
of this feather logo.

BTW, we will hold a party at the Conference and are expecting
Craig to attend.

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   TANAKA Yoshihiro  /   http://www.ytp.ne.jp/
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Re: jelly releases

2004-02-11 Thread Mark R. Diggory
Now that there is a Maven Repository on the mirrors, it doesn't need to 
be specifically pointed there, thats just one mirror of it now.

http://www.apache.org/dist/java-repository/commons-jelly/
http://apache.130th.net/java-repository/commons-jelly/
...
http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi
The ibibilio repository is probably fine, it is updated from the apache 
dist directory every four hours. And is also the location the jar is 
pulled from when using Maven to resolve the dependency

-Mark

Torsten Curdt wrote:
Is there a particular reason why the jelly release is
hosted on ibiblio.org? (No nagging - just curious)
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compressed body in HTTP POST request; using Jabber for IM

2004-02-11 Thread Adrian German

Folks, I have a question and I hope that someone could help me clarify
it.

RFC 2616 says that the presence of a message-body in a request is
signaled by the inclusion of a Content-Length or Transfer-Encoding
header field in the request's message-headers.

The question I have is this:

  Does the RFC allow a POST request to contain Transfer-Encoding: gzip
  header *followed* by a compressed body? Does Tomcat support the
  processing of such a request? Does Apache? If they don't and we try to
  extend the sources to accommodate this, would that be a possible breach
  of specs?

The application we are building involves a few hundred (perhaps thousand)
devices/stations which are distributed in a fairly large territory (say,
the size of Indiana) which act as mini-browsers and send information to a
server (to which they connect, authenticate and all that) periodically.
Now the line on which they communicate is dial-up (gsm/gprs), so being
able to compress the POST requests would keep the costs down. Also, these
stations/browsers might be behind a firewall, so the TCP connection can
only be initiated from a station to the server and not the other way
around.

We were thinking of using either Tomcat or JBoss for the server, and
it was not clear to us if the server would be able to handle properly a
compressed request. If it does it already then maybe we missed it, and
we apologize and we'd be very grateful for any pointers.

One last question would be about the relative performance of compressed
HTTP vs. technologies currently used for Instant Messaging such as
Jabber. I know that this is too general but I'd be very interested to
know if (in your experience, or just in your opinion) Jabber-like
technologies are clearly superior, or clearly inferior, or simply not
comparable with compressed HTTP for the kind of applications mentioned
above (ministations in the field connecting to server periodically and
transmitting data). I thank you in advance and am looking forward to any
replies.

... Adrian

P.S. Granted this may not be the forum to ask such a question.
In that case let me just take back all of the above back and simply
wish you a Happy Wednesday! ;-)



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Re: Using apache feather logo

2004-02-11 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004, TANAKA Yoshihiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Pleae inform me if there will be any license violation in usage
 of this feather logo.

Even though this link is to the FAQ of httpd, it should apply to the
Apache logos in general:
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/misc/FAQ.html#logo

I don't think that your usage would imply endorsement but to be
absolutely sure you may want to get permission from the ASF - to get
that you'd have to contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Cheers

Stefan

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Re: compressed body in HTTP POST request; using Jabber for IM

2004-02-11 Thread Tom Copeland
On Wed, 2004-02-11 at 10:10, Adrian German wrote:
 One last question would be about the relative performance of compressed
 HTTP vs. technologies currently used for Instant Messaging such as
 Jabber. I know that this is too general but I'd be very interested to
 know if (in your experience, or just in your opinion) Jabber-like
 technologies are clearly superior, or clearly inferior, or simply not
 comparable with compressed HTTP for the kind of applications mentioned
 above (ministations in the field connecting to server periodically and
 transmitting data). I thank you in advance and am looking forward to any
 replies.

There's been a fair bit of work done at my job site on Jabber wrapped in
Ruby - http://rubyforge.org/projects/jabber4r/ - to connect to servers
and send status messages for a distributed agent society -
http://cougaar.org/.   The status messages we're sending around are
usually pretty small - they top out at about 20K - so this may not be
comparable to what your doing.

FWIW, I think Jabber might add a bit more complexity then you need -
Jabber is a messaging protocol and so it's tuned for little messages
flying all over the place.  What you're doing sounds like a good match
for the things you suggested - compressed HTTP, zipped SMTP as Serge
suggested, or maybe even FTP.

Yours,

tom


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Re: compressed body in HTTP POST request; using Jabber for IM

2004-02-11 Thread Danny Angus





 We were thinking of using either Tomcat or JBoss for the server,

Unless you're not going to use http with JBOSS You'll find that JBOSS is
Bundled with Tomcat for the web app container..

From my extensive and brain deadening reading of the MIME rfcs I don't
think you be violating the spec you quote if you used *any* legal MIME
content-type (including X- ones), you might find that it just isn't
supported at both ends.. Hmm.

You could easily, and usefully, extend Tomcat to add this if it is not
present.

d.



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Re: compressed body in HTTP POST request; using Jabber for IM

2004-02-11 Thread Danny Angus






Aha.. misread content-encoding as content-type.. I suspect that gzip is
*not* an encoding, which is something like Base64, Uuencode or
Quoted-printable and is used to ensure that binary data will pass
unmolested through mail transport agents (MTA's) which are only required to
handle ASCII, and allowed to insert line breaks.

My advice would now be to investigate the MIME form data encoding, within
which gzip would be a valid Content-type, and could probably be ungzipped
by a filter.

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Re: Using apache feather logo

2004-02-11 Thread TANAKA Yoshihiro
Apache logos in general:
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/misc/FAQ.html#logo

I don't think that your usage would imply endorsement but to be
absolutely sure you may want to get permission from the ASF - to get
that you'd have to contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks! I'm gonna try. :-)

Regards


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