Re: [site] clean up
Robert, and is any planning needed so that no toes are stepped on? An advance heads-up would warn other projects which might link to those pages. Though as a redirect wouldn't break the links I guess its not that important, James has been bitten by Jakarta changes before, though I hasten to add it is James' own fault for not moving quick enough, and anyway I don't think this would affect James. d. *** The information in this e-mail is confidential and for use by the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient (or responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient) please notify us immediately on 0141 306 2050 and delete the message from your computer. You may not copy or forward it or use or disclose its contents to any other person. As Internet communications are capable of data corruption Student Loans Company Limited does not accept any responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. For this reason it may be inappropriate to rely on advice or opinions contained in an e-mail without obtaining written confirmation of it. Neither Student Loans Company Limited or the sender accepts any liability or responsibility for viruses as it is your responsibility to scan attachments (if any). Opinions and views expressed in this e-mail are those of the sender and may not reflect the opinions and views of The Student Loans Company Limited. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ** - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] next step - 3-tier + welcome
So either: a) we should roll back to the table style for header and footer for the moment; or b) we should just ignore it and wait for complaints to come in :) snip Does a) sound okay? When you sell it like that its unopposable! d. *** The information in this e-mail is confidential and for use by the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient (or responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient) please notify us immediately on 0141 306 2050 and delete the message from your computer. You may not copy or forward it or use or disclose its contents to any other person. As Internet communications are capable of data corruption Student Loans Company Limited does not accept any responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. For this reason it may be inappropriate to rely on advice or opinions contained in an e-mail without obtaining written confirmation of it. Neither Student Loans Company Limited or the sender accepts any liability or responsibility for viruses as it is your responsibility to scan attachments (if any). Opinions and views expressed in this e-mail are those of the sender and may not reflect the opinions and views of The Student Loans Company Limited. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ** - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Last call for comments Was: [site] next step - 3-tier + welcome
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:57:10 -0800, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 00:19:37 -0500 (EST), Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.apache.org/~bayard/jakarta-3tier.html Rolled back to remove the table-div header change for the moment. I'd Still behaves oddly in FireFox ... like to go ahead and make the change to a 3 column on Friday. Looks OK to me. I'd say go for it. Agreed. There are a couple of tweaky things - like the font seems a little bigger than it needs to be, and the section headers are different from the main ASF site - but they really are tweaky things that we can talk about and fiddle with later. -- Martin Cooper Any nay-sayers before then, let me know. Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Last call for comments Was: [site] next step - 3-tier + welcome
There are a couple of tweaky things - like the font seems a little bigger than it needs to be, I twiddled with James css y'day, I think the fonts there are finally OK http://james.apache.org the (extremely simple) css is in svn if you want to look. I'd be interested in theiveing the 3tier xsl though, see if it can help me with James' excessive whitespace.. where can I find it? d. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Last call for comments Was: [site] next step - 3-tier + welcome
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005, Danny Angus wrote: There are a couple of tweaky things - like the font seems a little bigger than it needs to be, I twiddled with James css y'day, I think the fonts there are finally OK http://james.apache.org the (extremely simple) css is in svn if you want to look. I'd be interested in theiveing the 3tier xsl though, see if it can help me with James' excessive whitespace.. where can I find it? Irritatingly, on my laptop :) Hindishgt shows I should have put it in CVS and placed it in a different filename while I developed on it, but I thought at the time that I'd need to change the xdoc xml's too. http://www.apache.org/~bayard/site.xsl http://www.apache.org/~bayard/site.xml Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] clean up
On 6 Jan 2005, at 09:09, Danny Angus wrote: Robert, and is any planning needed so that no toes are stepped on? An advance heads-up would warn other projects which might link to those pages. Though as a redirect wouldn't break the links I guess its not that important, James has been bitten by Jakarta changes before, though I hasten to add it is James' own fault for not moving quick enough, and anyway I don't think this would affect James. it's hard to know which projects links to jakarta and where would be the right place to post any advance warning. so, though i definitely take your point, i'm not sure that there's much that can be done. i do try to ensure that any changes i make do not break links. the redirects should ensure that this doesn't happen. what i will try to do is to collect and collate the changes (once there's a reasonable number) and post an email to community detailing the new pages and together with the redirected pages from jakarta. this should allow projects which may be linking to redirects to update their links. - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] clean up
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:57:38 +, robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6 Jan 2005, at 09:09, Danny Angus wrote: Robert, and is any planning needed so that no toes are stepped on? An advance heads-up would warn other projects which might link to those pages. Though as a redirect wouldn't break the links I guess its not that important, James has been bitten by Jakarta changes before, though I hasten to add it is James' own fault for not moving quick enough, and anyway I don't think this would affect James. it's hard to know which projects links to jakarta and where would be the right place to post any advance warning. so, though i definitely take your point, i'm not sure that there's much that can be done. I wonder if there's a link checker doodad that we could run on *.a.o, perhaps as a cron job, and have it send out Gump-like nag messages when something breaks? -- Martin Cooper i do try to ensure that any changes i make do not break links. the redirects should ensure that this doesn't happen. what i will try to do is to collect and collate the changes (once there's a reasonable number) and post an email to community detailing the new pages and together with the redirected pages from jakarta. this should allow projects which may be linking to redirects to update their links. - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] clean up
Martin Cooper wrote: I wonder if there's a link checker doodad that we could run on *.a.o, perhaps as a cron job, and have it send out Gump-like nag messages when something breaks? I've used this before: http://linkchecker.sourceforge.net/ And it seems to be ok. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Which Linux distribution for Java development?
I'm considering moving to a Linux environment for my Java development. Which distros would be a good choice and which should one stay away from? -- Dennis Lundberg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Which Linux distribution for Java development?
Tbh, probably not a lot of difference, especially compared to the differences between the distros themselves. Avoid going to the *BSD's. I'd recommend not using the Java bits that come with the distro, but installing it all yourself. Otherwise, choose the distro for the other reasons. As a developer, you'll probably want to avoid the consumer Linuxes, Linspire etc. Hen On Thu, 6 Jan 2005, Dennis Lundberg wrote: I'm considering moving to a Linux environment for my Java development. Which distros would be a good choice and which should one stay away from? -- Dennis Lundberg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Which Linux distribution for Java development?
Mandrake is the most User centric desktop distro that i know of. It is base on the red hat core and it has a control panel application to manage the configuration of the different componant. Since i was fortunate enough to get a lot of help when i first switched from windows to Linux i am more then happy to return the favor so if you have any specific question related to linux don't hesitate to contact me off the list so has not to clutter it with non jakarta related chatter Dennis Lundberg wrote: I'm considering moving to a Linux environment for my Java development. Which distros would be a good choice and which should one stay away from? -- Dennis Lundberg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Alain Gaeremynck CTO Le Groupe Interstructure (514) 374-1110 (514) 825-7810 cell weblog: http://www.sanssucre.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Which Linux distribution for Java development?
i'd say now that provided you go for an up-to-date distribution, you shouldn't notice much difference between most distro's when it comes to java (so you probably want to choose on some other basis). the biggest choice is how you install your java: the traditional way (stuff everything somewhere odd in /opt or /var outside the standard linux directory structure) or use a packaging system such as http://www.jpackage.org/ (which is now pretty good). i've used mandrake as a secondary java development environment for a number of years and have no complaints. i've done some work on a fedora box recently and been very impressed (i used to hate red hat). debian is very good for servers but less so for java development using a GUI. it has a well deserved reputation for being tough for newbies but is very powerful. (i installed my last server with debian and haven't had a single regret.) - robert On 6 Jan 2005, at 20:05, Alain Gaeremynck wrote: Mandrake is the most User centric desktop distro that i know of. It is base on the red hat core and it has a control panel application to manage the configuration of the different componant. Since i was fortunate enough to get a lot of help when i first switched from windows to Linux i am more then happy to return the favor so if you have any specific question related to linux don't hesitate to contact me off the list so has not to clutter it with non jakarta related chatter Dennis Lundberg wrote: I'm considering moving to a Linux environment for my Java development. Which distros would be a good choice and which should one stay away from? -- Dennis Lundberg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Alain Gaeremynck CTO Le Groupe Interstructure (514) 374-1110 (514) 825-7810 cell weblog: http://www.sanssucre.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Which Linux distribution for Java development?
One thing you *may* care about is using certified Java VM. Sun requires that a VM be certified on an exact distribution, so if you use a VM certified for Red Hat on say Mandrake, you are using a non-certified installation. I know this sound incredibly lame, but it is very important for projects like Geronimo where we are working on certifying our code, since Sun only allows a library to be certified on a certified VM. FWIU, the only linux distros with certified VMs are Red Hat (enterprise?) and Suse. -dain -- Dain Sundstrom Chief Architect Gluecode Software 310.536.8355, ext. 26 On Jan 6, 2005, at 1:00 PM, robert burrell donkin wrote: i'd say now that provided you go for an up-to-date distribution, you shouldn't notice much difference between most distro's when it comes to java (so you probably want to choose on some other basis). the biggest choice is how you install your java: the traditional way (stuff everything somewhere odd in /opt or /var outside the standard linux directory structure) or use a packaging system such as http://www.jpackage.org/ (which is now pretty good). i've used mandrake as a secondary java development environment for a number of years and have no complaints. i've done some work on a fedora box recently and been very impressed (i used to hate red hat). debian is very good for servers but less so for java development using a GUI. it has a well deserved reputation for being tough for newbies but is very powerful. (i installed my last server with debian and haven't had a single regret.) - robert On 6 Jan 2005, at 20:05, Alain Gaeremynck wrote: Mandrake is the most User centric desktop distro that i know of. It is base on the red hat core and it has a control panel application to manage the configuration of the different componant. Since i was fortunate enough to get a lot of help when i first switched from windows to Linux i am more then happy to return the favor so if you have any specific question related to linux don't hesitate to contact me off the list so has not to clutter it with non jakarta related chatter Dennis Lundberg wrote: I'm considering moving to a Linux environment for my Java development. Which distros would be a good choice and which should one stay away from? -- Dennis Lundberg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Alain Gaeremynck CTO Le Groupe Interstructure (514) 374-1110 (514) 825-7810 cell weblog: http://www.sanssucre.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Which Linux distribution for Java development?
Opt for one with support for NPTL - RH 9 was the first mainstream distro to have it available, but I think most of then supports it now: http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/JavaTechandLinux/RedHat/ Another aspect that I think it's very important is good fonts - that's the main reason I prefer Eclipse over Swing-based IDEs... -- Felipe On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 17:28, Dennis Lundberg wrote: I'm considering moving to a Linux environment for my Java development. Which distros would be a good choice and which should one stay away from? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Translations of Jakarta
Hi Henri, We're discussing these issues at JaJakarta right now. I'll get back to you when we reach a conclusion. (Whenever that will be..) The translations are great ideas, but all three translations have issues: As a general issue, there's the question of which community is managing them. When we switch the Jakarta site to a lilac and puce look and feel, how will the translations respond. When we change the wording on the charter, or move Ant to TLP, how do they respond. Another issue common to all translations is a confusion between links about the translation site and links about Jakarta. Both Ja-Jakarta and Kr-Jakarta emulate a Jakarta lf but the Vendors link on Kr-Jakarta is for Kr-Jakarta people, and Acknowledgements/Who We Are on Ja-Jakarta are for Ja-Jakarta. This has lead to commercialisation. Ja-Jakarta pushes a Japanese Tomcat book, Terra-Intl pushes a different set of Jakarta books, I assume the vendor on the Kr-Jakarta page is linked to the authors. Particular issues: * I thought the Korean one was dead due to the copyright at the bottom saying 1999-2002. Looking closer I realise that they have the latest 2004 news. Their list of projects is old, Avalon, Ant, James, OJB, Struts all appear. Their news links are broken. * Ja-Jakarta has a definite confusion of Ja-Jakarta and Jakarta links (though I like that you have an English translation of the front page based on client). It has non-Jakarta subprojects listed (Ant, Log4j, Struts). The latest news is from May 2005. * Terra-Intl doesn't use the Jakarta lf, but it leads in with book advertising and the actual translations are hidden further down. It also only translates the front page and not the actual sub-projects. --- I believe the best solution is along the lines of Ja-Jakarta, but without trying to match the Jakarta lf so much. Unless you actually manage ja-jakarta as an umbrella of translation projects, it should probably say Translations on the front page and not Subprojects. Trademarks/branding also worry me a bit. Do we have to do anything to give you permission to use the Feather etc (Apache have been increasingly protecting it recently). If we stick with the current lf, it looks like an Apache site, but with no actual affiliation to Apache, so I suspect that someday I'll get a browbeating from the board. I love the idea of translation sites, but my worries mainly all come down to 'How do we maintain oversight?'. Thoughts? Best regards, -- Shinobu -- Shinobu Kawai Yoshida [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
