RE: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

2002-05-25 Thread Ignacio J. Ortega

 De: Pier Fumagalli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Enviado el: sábado 25 de mayo de 2002 19:52

 
 If commit numbers are not so important (and I agree), what is 
 the way that
 this community has to decide whether a person is a committer 
 or not, given
 that as it is today, you're not recognized as a member of 
 this community if
 you don't have a CVS account, and your name is not listed in 
 $CVSROOT/avail
 
 Pier

I Disagree completely..

Mail archives prove you wrong, althought many of the more vocal people
here are committers, nothing blocks anyone to give his opinion and his
vote,more this same thread proves you wrong too,  i can remember someone
someone was proposed last time as PMC member without being a committer..


I'm not the oldest here, 2'5 years, and my contributions are not bigger,
but all i can say from the history i know, that you are simply suffering
some kind of father syndrome, like those fathers that, when his children
grow up, doent want to loose the control they have over his lifes.

Your children is starting to be teenager, and hence dont feels his
father is so important or has the reason everytime, nor that is the
better and in addition is a little castrating as every father..  Well
time will get you to the right place.., now your children is walking on
the avenue ( making a girlfriend!!! :) and sometimes in the future, you
will get a friendship with him and he will learn to respect you..


Saludos ,
Ignacio J. Ortega


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RE: Quick! convert all your projects to maven!

2002-04-30 Thread Ignacio J. Ortega

Which are the relation between maven , gump and forrest?

They are alternative solutions, complimentary, or what?

Saludos ,
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RE: Nominee's for the Jakarta PMC 2002. Last change to debug.

2002-02-07 Thread Ignacio J. Ortega

 De: Dirk-Willem van Gulik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Enviado el: jueves 7 de febrero de 2002 20:26

 The final list will be posted on the 9th of Januari. After which the

Good, a year without PMC, 

Waiting to see the final nominee list till next January :


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Ignacio J. Ortega



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RE: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

2002-02-05 Thread Ignacio J. Ortega

 De: Sam Ruby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Enviado el: martes 5 de febrero de 2002 15:09

For those who don't know me and might perceive this as an endorsement,
I
have worn Microsoft shirts to JavaOne (just ask Pat Sueltz), and
NetScape
shirts to the Microsoft PDC (just ask Dick Hardt or the MS VP in charge
of
Hailstorm who's name escapes me at the moment).

( Trying to standup after laugthing for half of an hour :) 

for that matter.  I simply want to see more of us working together.
That's

As Always, you are the man , Sam..

+1000

I think this the *real* apache way, Now, i would like to propose to drop
the java word from the Jakarta Home Page and Mission Statement.. ;))
to be prepared for future.. :)))


Saludos ,
Ignacio J. Ortega


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RE: PMC Nomination - Costin Manolache

2002-02-04 Thread Ignacio J. Ortega

+1 

Saludos ,
Ignacio J. Ortega


 -Mensaje original-
 De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]En
 nombre de jean-frederic clere
 Enviado el: lunes 4 de febrero de 2002 18:59
 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Asunto: PMC Nomination - Costin Manolache
 
 
 I would like to nominate Costin Manolache for election to the PMC.
 
 Costin has a wide area knowledge of ASF projects (Apr, httpd 1.3/2.0,
 tomcat3.x/4.0, Ant...).
 He has been contributing to Tomcat since the very first versions.
 
 He has the patience of a good teacher and the spirit of a 
 real hacker.
 I know that he promotes OSS and OSS spirit from the 
 jakarta-tomcat-* projects.
 
 Cheers
 
 Jean-frederic
 
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RE: PMC Nomination

2002-01-31 Thread Ignacio J. Ortega

+1

Saludos ,
Ignacio J. Ortega


 -Mensaje original-
 De: Stefano Mazzocchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Enviado el: jueves 31 de enero de 2002 14:28
 Para: Apache Jakarta
 Asunto: PMC Nomination
 
 
 I would like to nominate
 
  - Jon Stevens
  - Sam Ruby
 
 for the upcoming PMC elections.
 
 The reason is simple: nobody else has done more for jakarta.
 
 Sure, they have diametrically different styles and attitudes, but this
 the reason why I want to nominate both at the same time: they balance
 out since they listen to each other and, deep down below, 
 they share the
 very same feelings about what apache is.
 
 If somebody has to decide where jakarta is going, I'd like having them
 decide for me.
 
 Thanks.
 
 -- 
 Stefano Mazzocchi  One must still have chaos in oneself to be
   able to give birth to a dancing star.
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Friedrich Nietzsche
 
 
 
 
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RE: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-11 Thread Ignacio J. Ortega

 
 I vastly respect Jon's contributions to Apache -- but I'm disappointed
 that he doesn't seem to care that his approach to email makes 
 the overall
 community smaller than it otherwise would be (due to people not being
 willing to deal with his style).
 

Thanks Craig, Sorry Jon, I Agree..

Saludos ,
Ignacio J. Ortega



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RE: Jetspeed configuration in Bugzilla

2001-10-09 Thread Ignacio J. Ortega

I can do that.., please specify what you need..

We can ask Pier ( Bugzilla Admin ) for privs for you ..

Saludos ,
Ignacio J. Ortega


 -Mensaje original-
 De: Paul Spencer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Enviado el: martes 9 de octubre de 2001 13:11
 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Asunto: Jetspeed configuration in Bugzilla
 
 
 1) I need to update jetspeed's version and component information in
Bugzilla.  Is this something I can do?  How?
 
 2) Are their any privileges that be assigned or should be assign to a
committer? 
 
 Thank you,
 
 Paul Spencer
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
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RE: [PROPOSAL] The Commons

2001-03-08 Thread Ignacio J. Ortega

Hola a todos, Ted:

 Since I'm the lone wolf on this point: 
 
 snip
 (3.1) mailing list(s)
 jakarta-commons-general
 jakarta-commons-DBCP (database connection pool)
 jakarta-commons-sandbox (unreleased packages)
 /snip
 
 insert
 (3.1) mailing list(s)
 jakarta-commons
 /insert
 

+1  

 and how about: 
 
 7. In general, packages should provide an interface and one or more
 implementations of that interface, or  implement another interface
 already in use.
 

+0 

 and:
 
 23. Like all Jakarta subprojects, we adopt the Code 
 Conventions for the
 Java Programming Language as published by Sun. In addition, we specify
 that indentation is constructed using 4 spaces only --  no tab
 characters whatsoever.
 

+1721 ( it's the tabs count inside tomcat 3.3 sources :)


Saludos ,
Ignacio J. Ortega


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RE: [POLL] Re: Code Sharing Concepts

2001-02-12 Thread Ignacio J. Ortega

 * DataSource/Database Pool

+1

 * XML Configuration

+1

 * Message Resources / i18n

+1

 * JNDI / Naming
 * Testing Suites

Saludos ,
Ignacio J. Ortega


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RE: Jakarta-tools ? Re: Code Sharing Concepts

2001-02-12 Thread Ignacio J. Ortega

 I'll try again:
 
 1. As someone said, "community is more important than code"
 
 2. I think the real problem here is not "code sharing" - the fact that
 people are reticent to reuse code developed in other projects 
 is just an
 effect
 
 3. I think the real problem is that each project has it's own 
 community
 and commiters, instead of a shared "jakarta community".
 
 4. I think the only way to solve the reuse problem is to make 
 sure that 
 all jakarta commiters are part of the "tools/utils" project. 
 

Agreed totally, 

As i remember the main complaint to this proposal was the different
number of committers from one or other project, this can be resolved
doing a representative vote ( 1 project 1 vote ) in this repository..
sure this is not perfect but it's possible, a perfectionist is
stationary  :), 

We need to learn a lot first we can do plans, we can suppouse, we
can observe CPAN, but nobody knows better than ourself what is jakarta
now, and much of us are concerned about his future, let's try to build
real community now, better than tomorrow, 

At internet timing decisions only can be hard to take in future, let's
go and do it when it's manageable and prepare things to when it become
inmanageable....:)

My 0.02 Eur 


Saludos ,
Ignacio J. Ortega

 That's my point - I'm not proposing to create ( now ) a 
 repository open to
 everyone in the world, just to all interested jakarta commiters. 
 
 Beeing a commiter in one of the projects means more than the 
 fact that you
 have CVS access and the right to vote - it means you feel part of the
 project community. If you are commiter in one of the jakarta 
 projects and
 you are interested in working on any "shared" code, you should
 automatically be a commiter for the shared piece.
 
 My proposal is to create a place where all jakarta commiters 
 have a common
 interest - the shared tools. 
 
 If we can't manage this - that means something is broken in 
 the concept of
 "jakarta community" - and a different solution is needed. 
 
 But it's worth trying ( starting with few small tools ), and 
 see if we can
 manage to work togheter. 
 
 We can have 10 different Pools or StringManagers - in time they'll
 converge or specialize and cover different niche. 
 There is nothing wrong with having 4 solutions for a test 
 suite, as long
 as all people working on this are sharing a common repository and
 community, and the community is open to new code ( even if it's
 duplicated ) as long as the code is shared.
 
 I think all "tools" should be shared - but the code is less 
 important in
 this case, we should share the community ( by making all 
 jakarta commiters
 members of the tools project ). 
 
 
 Costin 
 
  
 
  
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Again, I don't like the idea of "framework" - i.e. a team 
 managing all
   tools and releasing them as a whole. It seems what works 
 is the idea of
   modules ( like CPAN modules ). And the modules should 
 have independent
   life and evolution. We can tag individual packages for 
 each project that
   includes it.
  
  I don't think anyone has meant to propose that. 
  
  I have suggested that we create a Jakarta Components Library as a
  microcosm of the greater project. There would be a core group of
  Committers (like the PMC) who would act as the overall 
 gatekeepers of
  the library. Each component in the library would have its own set of
  Committers, which would usually be the person or persons 
 who wrote the
  original code, and who has a vested interest in the component. Each
  component would have its own release schedule and versioning, stable
  versions and latest builds. Of course, as a convenience, 
 there might be
  a full library JAR of all the stable versions.
  
  If we can get this library to work for our own tools, then, 
 of course,
  we should look at creating a greater CJAN library. 
 Something like this
  would be more like CPAN or SourceForge, and be open to all 
 comers. But
  we should weed our own garden first.
  
  -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY USA.
  -- Custom Software ~ Technical Services.
  -- Tel 716 425-0252; Fax 716 223-2506.
  -- http://www.husted.com/about/struts/
  
  
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RE: What is Avalon?

2001-02-02 Thread Ignacio J. Ortega

 reaches almost 5'11"... And 4 inches are _something_ :)
 
 Pier (thinking: Tomcat is higher than anything else, I'm 6'0")

Which tomcat ? i'm about 6'7" :-)


Saludos ,
Ignacio J. Ortega

PS: Sorry for waste of bandwidth :)

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