Re: Pluto Incubation
On May 7, 2004, at 5:41 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: David, Sorry for the delay. I was off-line for most of the week (not planned). It would be best if these things were discussed on the mailing lists, where other folks can contribute. Yes of course, my apologies Yes, we'd all like to see Pluto graduate. The main thing at the moment seems to be filling in the Pluto STATUS page. The original pre-dates everything, but it seems that Carsten Ziegeler committed a template a couple of weeks ago: http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/incubator/site/projects/pluto.cwiki. That is the file you're looking to update. OK, I have updated the cwiki status report. Its checked into CVS here: http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/incubator/site/projects/pluto.cwiki Could you all pleasereview it. If by some miracle I correctly filled out the form, and if you find it acceptable, could we call for another vote for Pluto graduation? --- Noel -Original Message- From: David Sean Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 14:38 To: Noel Bergman Subject: Pluto Incubation Noel, I'd like complete the graduation Pluto out of incubation. I was on vacation, and then out of town on business, so I've fallen behind on the status. From what I understand, we need to update the pluto status page, and then we should be set. So I checked out the incubation site: cvs co -P incubator But the pluto.xml doesn't match what I see at incubator.apache.org/projects/pluto.html It seems that I do have karma to update this page. And I've read the instructions at incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy So Im just wondering if Im updating the correct page or not? Regards, -- David Sean Taylor Bluesunrise Software [EMAIL PROTECTED] [office] +01 707 773-4646 [mobile] +01 707 529 9194 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hibernate in Apache projects
The Jetspeed team would like to use the Hibernate open source project in our project. http://www.hibernate.org/ I've been reading through the licensing and Im not entirely sure if its compatible with the Apache license. I think I've seen where Turbine now works with Hibernate. Could some one clearly tell us: can we use Hibernate in Apache projects? Thanks, -- David Sean Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Apache Portals http://portals.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hibernate in Apache projects
On Apr 20, 2004, at 11:54 AM, Brian McCallister wrote: As far as I know nothing has changed in regards to linking to LGPL code in ASL code that we host. On a tangentially related not -- if there is anything that Hibernate does that OJB doesn't, let us know and we'll fix that problem =) The only major feature Hibernate has that OJB does not is a marketing budget, to my knowledge. We've had quality issues with release candidates failing where previous release candidates worked. We are now at the point where we need RC5 for one component, and RC4 for another. Many hours were spent debugging OJB and it caused us weeks of lost development time. The OJB error messages are not helpful. In Jetspeed we have a persistence layer and would like to try writing a plugin for Hibernate to see if we get more stability. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hibernate in Apache projects
On Apr 20, 2004, at 12:59 PM, Brian McCallister wrote: I'm sorry to hear that, I am also sorry to see that I cannot find any posts from you ojb-users or ojb-dev list archives about this =( OJB can be a bear, but the problems you seem to have had (based on the bile in the last email) sound like there was a misunderstanding on how something works. I see you are trying to put me in a bad light in defense of your project, and I don't appreciate it. I am not the OJB advocate at Jetspeed. Search for Scott Weaver and David Le Strat's posts Or contact Scott or David directly. They can explain the issues much better than I. I invite you to discuss this on the jetspeed-dev list. Scott has a lot of OJB experience and I believe he understands OJB very well. Perhaps its bile to you. But you asked why we were looking at Hibernate, and I was simply trying to explain to you a very bad experience with OJB. On the Hibernate thing -- you could adapt the Cocoon approach and have a non-ASF site with ASL incompatible modules. Yes, this sounds like a solution. So we host a non-apache maven site with ASL incompatible modules. Thanks for your help. I do look forward to trying out Hibernate. -Brian On Apr 20, 2004, at 3:15 PM, David Sean Taylor wrote: On Apr 20, 2004, at 11:54 AM, Brian McCallister wrote: As far as I know nothing has changed in regards to linking to LGPL code in ASL code that we host. On a tangentially related not -- if there is anything that Hibernate does that OJB doesn't, let us know and we'll fix that problem =) The only major feature Hibernate has that OJB does not is a marketing budget, to my knowledge. We've had quality issues with release candidates failing where previous release candidates worked. We are now at the point where we need RC5 for one component, and RC4 for another. Many hours were spent debugging OJB and it caused us weeks of lost development time. The OJB error messages are not helpful. In Jetspeed we have a persistence layer and would like to try writing a plugin for Hibernate to see if we get more stability. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- David Sean Taylor Bluesunrise Software [EMAIL PROTECTED] [office] +01 707 773-4646 [mobile] +01 707 529 9194 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hibernate in Apache projects
On Apr 20, 2004, at 2:14 PM, Brian McCallister wrote: I wasn't trying to put you in a bad light -- truly I wasn't. I apologize for coming across that way. No problem. I regret that you had a bad experience with OJB and lost development time and effort as a result -- and I want to make OJB better. OJB has definite rough spots, I certainly cannot claim otherwise. It does do a lot of things very well though, and I intend to do what I can to help it get even better (and clean up the rough spots). Release management is something we have done very poorly thus far. We have a lot of code invested in OJB. We'd like to resolve our issues by moving to the latest release candidate (or final release) if possible, if we can pass all unit tests. I for one would like to see Jetspeed-2 continue to support OJB as a persistence back-end, so we can concentrate on other features. Writing a new Hibernate persistence back-end will take up valuable developer time which could be better spent on needed portal features. I wasn't asking you why were looking at Hibernate (it is a great project), I was offering to try to help make OJB work for you in order to help solve your problem (O/R mapping compatible with the restrictions on what we can put in ASF cvs) as Hibernate, unfortunately, cannot to my knowledge be linked in ASF codebases. I don't have any investment in whether you use OJB, Hibernate, TJDO, Cayenne, Speedo, EJB-CMP, iBatis, Spring-DAO, or Fazoogle Data Objects. Yes, as Noel states we cannot import modules. I'd like to say that I have used OJB in one project, but I didn't use any of the advanced features. I saw the problems we were having in Jetspeed-2, and steered clear of any complex object-relationship management provided by OJB. This project has now had months of production usage and OJB has performed very well. We don't have one bug logged against OJB. Since you are offering your help, I invite you to join the jetspeed-dev list where we can discuss our issues in more detail. Let me know when you have joined and I will start a thread there. Look forward to working with you on our OJB issues, thanks again, -- David Sean Taylor Bluesunrise Software [EMAIL PROTECTED] [office] +01 707 773-4646 [mobile] +01 707 529 9194 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Promotion of sub projects
On Tuesday, December 9, 2003, at 07:13 AM, Danny Angus wrote: Just for fun I thought I'd fill this out for the Jetspeed and Pluto projects (WSRP4J is another possibility). We would like to start a TLP named 'portal.apache.org' including Jetspeed-1, Jetspeed-2 and Pluto, and other portal apps as they are developed. 1/ Community dynamic, a) Is your community self sustaining and largely independant of other parts of Jakarta? yes Not the individuals, the community. Is it, for instance, so heavily influenced by the direction of some other sub-project that membership of both is virtually a pre-requisite for understanding. b) Are many of your commiters also commiters of some other sub-project for this, or similar, reasons? no 2/ Project Management, a) Does your sub-project need or get much direction from the Jakarta PMC (or is it mostly handled by the comitters with lip service paid to the PMC)? no, lip service 3/ Community health, a) Is your community highly dependant on one or two key people, or is there a real mix of talent working as a team? we are a small group. Jetspeed-2 is currently dependent on 3 people but we are getting more people active We have a lot more active Jetspeed-1 people, but development has tapered off b) Is there generally an amicable, if hotly debated, concensus? yes i think so 4/ Infrastructure resources, a) Does your sub-project have aspirations to own its own top-level resources (cvs, mailing lists, wiki, web-site)? yes 5/ Product seperation, a) Is your product tightly bound to other Jakarta sub-projects (excluding commons) or does it only supply a need or consume deliverables in the usual way? Jetspeed-1 is tied to Turbine Pluto isn't tied to anything Jetspeed-2 is dependent on OJB and we are seriously considering Merlin now b) Does your sub-project contribute a lot of code to another, or receive a lot of contributions from another Jakarta sub-project? J2 and Pluto are closely tied, but Pluto is not dependent on J2 6/ Scope, a) Has your sub-project outgrown it's original scope? I think so. New standards have appeared (Java Portlet Standard, WSRP) and the portlet dev model has changed to a standardized portlet application model with a clear delineation between portal, container and application b) Does your sub-project have a need or desire to maintain it's own sub-projects, incubate new ideas, or accept incubated projects from the incubator? yes we do, see project list above 7/ a) Are there any compeling arguments which can be raised to support remaining within Jakarta? Our list isn't very active compared to others, at least this is my perception, I could be wrong Score 1 for each of the following answers: 1a yes 1b no 2a not much 3a real mix 3b generally amicable 4a yes 5a normal supply/consume relationship 5b not much direct contribution to or by other sub-projects 6a yes 6b yes 7a not really Total 1-3 You probably belong here, consider staying. Total 4-6 You might need to address some issues before you go. Total 7-9 Promotion could be your path to further growth and maturity. Total 10-11 You treat this place like a hotel, its time to think about what you really want. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FeedParser - RSS/Atom parser/serializer contribution to Jakarta.
On Wednesday, November 19, 2003, at 01:57 PM, Kevin A. Burton wrote: David Sean Taylor wrote: I'd be glad to review it and put it into Jetspeed to improve on its RSS support (if you are interested in it going into Jetspeed) I would be happy to see this used in Jetspeed (I'm the creator of the Jetspeed project btw... in another life) . Jeez I know that! Never too late to come back, we've starting a new version Jetspeed-2, no Turbine required - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Creating a second CVS project for an existing Jakarta project
We would like to create a CVS project for Jakarta Jetspeed called jakarta-jetspeed-2. I asked for permission on both PMC and Infrastructure, and did not receive any objections. Is there a process for creating a new CVS project? I see this as being similar to the jakarta-turbine-2 and jakarta-turbine-3 projects. Its the same Jakarta project, but a different CVS. Is the process as simple as typing cvs import ... ? How do I setup a mailing list for commits? We could use some help in getting this project created. Any help much appreciated, Thanks, -- David Sean Taylor Bluesunrise Software [EMAIL PROTECTED] +01 707 773-4646 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [i18n] Internationalization subproject sponsor?
On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 05:17 AM, Robert Simpson wrote: Santiago Gala, I haven't seen the Turbine localization service code, but maybe that could be separated out and used as the initial code for the Internationalization project (pretty much what I have done to date with it). Turbine might also provide some of the language translations A couple things I like about the code I've provided, is that it's pretty much a one-liner to include resources in a class or package, and that it's a static reference. Is the Turbine approach similar? Turbine Localization has been decoupled from Turbine and is now available in the Fulcrum subproject. Its not a static reference: String value = Localization.getString(key); or getString(locale, key); there are other variations, see http://jakarta.apache.org/turbine/fulcrum/apidocs/org/apache/fulcrum/ localization/package-summary.html The localization service can be accessed from within a Velocity tool, nice to look up a localized key named LOCALIZED_NAME from Velocity for ex $localization.LOCALIZED_NAME -- David Sean Taylor Bluesunrise Software [EMAIL PROTECTED] +01 707 773-4646 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
