RE: HUP - Heap Usage Profiler

[Micael Padraig Og mac Grene]

I would love to try it, but have no urgent demand.  I do think that Linux 
will have a lot more users in this context than the Evil Empire.

At 09:53 AM 2/27/02 +0200, you wrote:

>HUP does not work on Linux, but it could be easily ported to Linux. I have
>planed to do it in one of the nearest HUP versions, but if you have urgent
>demand for it I could revisit my priorities.
>
>Michael
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Micael Padraig Og mac Grene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:33 AM
>To: Jakarta General List
>Subject: RE: HUP - Heap Usage Profiler
>
>
>This does not work with Linux/Unix?
>
>At 09:36 AM 2/27/02 +0200, you wrote:
>
> >Jon, you wrote that you don't care about how helpful project might be. I
> >hope that you didn't mean that you don't care if Jakarta projects could be
> >improved by it. You do care about Jakarta, don't you? :)
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 9:56 PM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Cc: Michael Pan
> >Subject: Re: HUP - Heap Usage Profiler
> >
> >
> >It really bothers me that people think that this is a forum for announcing
> >their new OSS efforts...*especially* ones that are under the GPL.
> >
> >I don't really care how helpful their project might be...this isn't the
> >forum for it.
> >
> >Totally un-cool. Don't abuse this resource. general@jakarta isn't
>freshmeat.
> >
> >-jon
> >
> >on 2/26/02 4:16 AM, "Michael Pan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > My name is Michael Pan and I'd like to announce about the Heap Usage
> > > Profiler (HUP) project, which I wrote as a part of my M.Sc. HUP is
> >profiling
> > > tool that allows the exploration and reduction of heap space consumption
> >in
> > > Java applications. The space saving is based on the fact that some of
>the
> > > allocated objects not immediately used (or not used at all) in the
> > > application code. Also, there are objects, which are no longer in use,
>but
> > > remain in memory. The HUP tool allows a programmer to locate and remove
> > > memory bottlenecks, which are caused by unused objects. Non of the
> > > commercial Java profiling tools provide this functionality.
> > > I've successfully applied HUP on Tomcat web server under load test. Now
> >I'm
> > > looking for people who are interested in running their projects with HUP
> >to
> > > find out memory bottlenecks in these projects.
> > > The HUP tool is freely available on http://sourceforge.net/projects/hup/
> >and
> > > was tested on SUN and IBM JVMs on Windows 2000 operating system. I'll be
> > > glad to assist anyone who is interested in trying HUP.
> > >
> > > Michael Pan.
> >
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RE: HUP - Heap Usage Profiler

[Micael Padraig Og mac Grene]

This does not work with Linux/Unix?

At 09:36 AM 2/27/02 +0200, you wrote:

>Jon, you wrote that you don't care about how helpful project might be. I
>hope that you didn't mean that you don't care if Jakarta projects could be
>improved by it. You do care about Jakarta, don't you? :)
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 9:56 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Cc: Michael Pan
>Subject: Re: HUP - Heap Usage Profiler
>
>
>It really bothers me that people think that this is a forum for announcing
>their new OSS efforts...*especially* ones that are under the GPL.
>
>I don't really care how helpful their project might be...this isn't the
>forum for it.
>
>Totally un-cool. Don't abuse this resource. general@jakarta isn't freshmeat.
>
>-jon
>
>on 2/26/02 4:16 AM, "Michael Pan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > My name is Michael Pan and I'd like to announce about the Heap Usage
> > Profiler (HUP) project, which I wrote as a part of my M.Sc. HUP is
>profiling
> > tool that allows the exploration and reduction of heap space consumption
>in
> > Java applications. The space saving is based on the fact that some of the
> > allocated objects not immediately used (or not used at all) in the
> > application code. Also, there are objects, which are no longer in use, but
> > remain in memory. The HUP tool allows a programmer to locate and remove
> > memory bottlenecks, which are caused by unused objects. Non of the
> > commercial Java profiling tools provide this functionality.
> > I've successfully applied HUP on Tomcat web server under load test. Now
>I'm
> > looking for people who are interested in running their projects with HUP
>to
> > find out memory bottlenecks in these projects.
> > The HUP tool is freely available on http://sourceforge.net/projects/hup/
>and
> > was tested on SUN and IBM JVMs on Windows 2000 operating system. I'll be
> > glad to assist anyone who is interested in trying HUP.
> >
> > Michael Pan.
>
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RE: HUP - Heap Usage Profiler

[Micael Padraig Og mac Grene]

I don't care for the flame war, but I am interested in this project and 
appreciate you making it available, Michael.

At 09:36 AM 2/27/02 +0200, you wrote:

>Jon, you wrote that you don't care about how helpful project might be. I
>hope that you didn't mean that you don't care if Jakarta projects could be
>improved by it. You do care about Jakarta, don't you? :)
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 9:56 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Cc: Michael Pan
>Subject: Re: HUP - Heap Usage Profiler
>
>
>It really bothers me that people think that this is a forum for announcing
>their new OSS efforts...*especially* ones that are under the GPL.
>
>I don't really care how helpful their project might be...this isn't the
>forum for it.
>
>Totally un-cool. Don't abuse this resource. general@jakarta isn't freshmeat.
>
>-jon
>
>on 2/26/02 4:16 AM, "Michael Pan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > My name is Michael Pan and I'd like to announce about the Heap Usage
> > Profiler (HUP) project, which I wrote as a part of my M.Sc. HUP is
>profiling
> > tool that allows the exploration and reduction of heap space consumption
>in
> > Java applications. The space saving is based on the fact that some of the
> > allocated objects not immediately used (or not used at all) in the
> > application code. Also, there are objects, which are no longer in use, but
> > remain in memory. The HUP tool allows a programmer to locate and remove
> > memory bottlenecks, which are caused by unused objects. Non of the
> > commercial Java profiling tools provide this functionality.
> > I've successfully applied HUP on Tomcat web server under load test. Now
>I'm
> > looking for people who are interested in running their projects with HUP
>to
> > find out memory bottlenecks in these projects.
> > The HUP tool is freely available on http://sourceforge.net/projects/hup/
>and
> > was tested on SUN and IBM JVMs on Windows 2000 operating system. I'll be
> > glad to assist anyone who is interested in trying HUP.
> >
> > Michael Pan.
>
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Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

[Micael Padraig Og mac Grene]

Thanx, Andy.  There have been such rumours! ;-)

At 08:02 AM 2/25/02 -0500, you wrote:
>Yes!  Actually Apache is funded fully by Microsoft and its all been this
>big farce..  We'll be close sourcing everything and handing it back to
>Bill!  Don't worry, Soon we'll have Microsoft leadership for the whole
>group!
>
>-Andy
>
>On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 16:45, Micael Padraig Og mac Grene wrote:
> > Do you really thing that C# is going to be a competitor to Java?  That
> > amazes me.  Do you guys work for Microsoft?
> >
> > At 10:28 AM 2/24/02 +0100, you wrote:
> > >James Duncan Davidson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On 2/5/02 08:24, "Stefano Mazzocchi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > My position: give me a solid (possibly GPL-ed) CLI implementation, a
> > > > > Java2C# porting tool, a BSD-licensed library of .NET classes and
> > > > > java-cloning classes and I say let's kiss java good bye.
> > > >
> > > > Heh. You are ahead of schedule. I figured that you'd be saying 
> something
> > > > like this about June of 2002.
> > >
> > >uh, I take this as a compliment :)
> > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > You're right you know. Stay flexible. Go with the flow. Sometimes 
> it's not
> > > > worth fighting all the battles at once.
> > >
> > >Wise words, brother, wise words.
> > >
> > >But my fear is that .NET might be even worse in the long run :/
> > >
> > >Gosh, I think I'll have to write my own programming platform one day to
> > >avoid all this.
> > >
> > >--
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> > >   able to give birth to a dancing star.
> > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Friedrich Nietzsche
> > >
> > >
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Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

[Micael Padraig Og mac Grene]

Let's see: Microsoft is going to be a better deal in terms of open code 
than Sun Microsystems?  Hmmm?  Guess I must have missed the banana boat on 
this one.

I guess since I am fed up because Sun won't let me have free rein with 
their code, I should ballyhoo C#, which will be 100 times more 
restrictive.  Yah, that's the ticket.  Why don't we get a dialogue going on 
why Sun is doing what it is doing and work towards solving the problem 
rather than supporting Mickey Mouse who would trade us for a pad of butter, 
if it were not for Sun's competition looming in the background.

Micael

At 07:12 PM 2/25/02 +1100, you wrote:
>On Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:29, Colin Chalmers wrote:
> > It's good to know your enemy but lets not talk Java into it's grave. Just
> > because MickySoft comes out with something to compete against Java people
> > seem to be taking fright and already talking about ditching Java for C#
> > thereby playing into Mickys hand. Has Micky got so powerful???
>
>"mickysoft" ? Hmmm ...
>
>The Java people are not running scared - however many are fed up with the
>steward of Java. There is plenty of people who would be willing to do a lot
>to make java a betweer platform but due to licensing restraints can not.
>
>Theres plenty of crap features in java that could be easily fixed given an
>open platform but wont be because it is not.
>
> > Let's look on it positively, a bit of competition for Java/Sun is perhaps
> > no bad thing in itself :-) But already to be thinking about swinging to C#
> > is a bit premature don't you think?
>
>Whos thinking? Of the two Apache projects that I am most involved with - both
>already have C# ports of parts or all of them. There is ongoing porting of
>other parts of these projects aswell.  There is also external ports of other
>projects I rely upon (namely a net port of junit). When the time comes when I
>am forced to switch then it will be easy enough to do.
>
>I don't plan to ditch java just yet. JDK1.5 will contain enough improvements
>in the core framework that it will be "good enough" for almost all my needs.
>However thats a long way off - if the mono team or one of the other
>opensource C# clones were to get hald as good as java is now then I would
>definetly consider switchin - and I know a lot of other people who would also
>do so.
>
>Its about putting control back into the developers hands and all really
>depends on the way Sun handles it from here on in.
>
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>
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> -- Voltaire
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Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

[Micael Padraig Og mac Grene]

Do you really thing that C# is going to be a competitor to Java?  That 
amazes me.  Do you guys work for Microsoft?

At 10:28 AM 2/24/02 +0100, you wrote:
>James Duncan Davidson wrote:
> >
> > On 2/5/02 08:24, "Stefano Mazzocchi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > My position: give me a solid (possibly GPL-ed) CLI implementation, a
> > > Java2C# porting tool, a BSD-licensed library of .NET classes and
> > > java-cloning classes and I say let's kiss java good bye.
> >
> > Heh. You are ahead of schedule. I figured that you'd be saying something
> > like this about June of 2002.
>
>uh, I take this as a compliment :)
>
> > 
> >
> > You're right you know. Stay flexible. Go with the flow. Sometimes it's not
> > worth fighting all the battles at once.
>
>Wise words, brother, wise words.
>
>But my fear is that .NET might be even worse in the long run :/
>
>Gosh, I think I'll have to write my own programming platform one day to
>avoid all this.
>
>--
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>   able to give birth to a dancing star.
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Friedrich Nietzsche
>
>
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Re: PMC Nomination - Craig McClanahan

[Micael Padraig Og mac Grene]

McClanahan ROCKS!

At 12:32 PM 2/6/02 -0500, you wrote:
>Craig McClanahan wrote:
> >
> > At Apache, I got involved in the Apache JServ project before there was a
> > Jakarta (along with other long timers like Jon, Pier, and Stefano), and
>at
> > the ApacheCon just after the Tomcat source code was finally handed over
>to
> > Apache, told James Duncan Davidson in front of several hundred people
>that
> > the Sun code sucked ;-).
>
>I was at that ApacheCon and can corroborate that Craig did exactly that.
>
> > One last note -- as most of you are probably aware, I work for Sun.  If
> > that fact, by itself, affects your vote, then you need to think about how
> > much you really believe in Apache's credo that contributors should be
> > judged on what they do, not who they work for.
>
>+1
>
>- Sam Ruby
>
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RE: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

[Micael Padraig Og mac Grene]

Thanx -- I saved the url.

At 03:36 PM 2/5/02 -0500, you wrote:
>If you liked that, you might also like
>http://radio.weblogs.com/0101679/2002/02/02.html#a61 .  On the other hand,
>I wouldn't spend too much time at that site as it is filled with boring
>stuff like Web Services.
>
>- Sam Ruby



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RE: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

[Micael Padraig Og mac Grene]

Sam, I always get a kick out of your droll submissions.  Thanks for the 
quiet humor, which always includes informational content and never is too 
biting.  Micael

At 01:55 PM 2/5/02 -0500, you wrote:
>Scott Sanders wrote:
> >
> > Stefano, you are right on the mark as usual.  As soon as a java2c#
> > porting tool is available, the hordes will probably be moving on...
>
>Doesn't need to be to C#.  The bytecodes are language independent.  You can
>write one class in Java, subclass it in VB, and call the result from Perl.
>
>On the other hand the porting tool already exists.  See
>http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualj/jump/.  Yet the hordes still remain.
>
>- Sam Ruby
>
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Re: Jakarta PMC Nomination - Rejection

[Micael Padraig Og mac Grene]

Thanks, Jon.  You are a legend.

At 12:19 PM 2/1/02 -0800, you wrote:
>Hey all,
>
>I just wanted to say that I'm not going to accept my Jakarta PMC nomination
>and do not want to be included in the voting for the next election.
>
>I have been involved with Java Apache/Jakarta since Sept 1996 and I think
>that it is time for me to move on from being politically responsible for
>this group. Honestly, I'm jaded and burned out on it all.
>
>That said, I recently signed a 10 year lease on a prime event space in
>downtown San Francisco and I am moving towards spending more time being a
>big time night club owner than working on Jakarta. More info:
> (p.s. that site is built with Anakia )
>
>I also just released Scarab 1.0b1 and am focused primarily on making Scarab
>the best issue tracking tool around. Expect to see more great developments
>on this project. It is by far, one of the best designed, largest and most
>complex pieces of software that I have ever had the pleasure of helping
>develop. It will be around for a very long time and will eventually put
>Bugzilla out of business. More info: 
>
>thanks,
>
>-jon






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RE: J2EE considered harmful

[Micael Padraig Og mac Grene]

Well, if you are considering building a new language that is based on a 
primordial focus on distributed programming, consider me in.  I would be 
happy to toil in that vineyard.  I think this is a grand idea.  The key is 
to come up with a nifty idea to make that "primordial focus" work.   My 
thinking cap is on.  I am not too knowledgeable about building a language, 
but am willing to learn anything.  The idea of having a language that does 
the distributed stuff and integrates easily with Java and .NET would be 
interesting?

I have copied a fellow I have met tangentially (on other matters) who 
builds languages,  viz. Craig Chambers with U. of Wash. computer science 
(engineering).  Maybe he has a couple thoughts, or more.

- micael

At 01:54 PM 1/31/02 -0800, you wrote:
> > From: Micael Padraig Og mac Grene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >
> > Are you just talking about creating a new language, or what?  What is
>your
> > idea?  I cannot tell.
>
>That's a good question, and ultimately one which would be determined by
>the constraints of the technology.  Prototyping would probably involve
>using an existing language and platform, and maybe we would ultimately
>discover that it is possible to build a system like this on top of a JVM
>(or CLR).  My suspicion is that it is not, and may be undesirable for
>legal reasons anyways.
>
>The later part of my diatribe was a hastily phrased way of approaching
>this subject:
>
>Unless you want to go back to the dark ages of C++, the future is
>shaping up to look like a choice between writing for the Sun platform or
>the Microsoft platform.  This does not make me comfortable, especially
>considering that Sun's approach to Java so far has been *wholly*
>anathema to the principals of Open Source.  At least Microsoft has
>submitted C# and the CLI to ECMA.  Quoth Jon: *WAKE UP PEOPLE*
>
>I am tantalized by the idea of a third choice:  the Apache platform.  I
>propose a discussion of just what that might be.
>
>Jeff Schnitzer
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RE: J2EE considered harmful

[Micael Padraig Og mac Grene]

Are you just talking about creating a new language, or what?  What is your 
idea?  I cannot tell.

At 12:38 PM 1/31/02 -0800, you wrote:
>Amusingly enough, I've been considering writing an article with this
>exact same title.  I've implemented two medium-sized systems using EJBs
>(http://www.similarity.com and http://mav.sourceforge.net/pig) and I've
>been haunting the ejb-interest list for more than a year.  I was never
>ecstatic about the technology, but now I'm starting to feel downright
>disillusioned with it.
>Ok, enough whining.  What to do about it?  I really like the idea of an
>Apache community building a truly free competitor to J2EE.  I don't like
>being tied to technologies owned by a single company, so I'm already
>pretty nervous by the stranglehold that Sun has on Java and (especially)
>J2EE.  But it's not enough to build a marginal improvement over the
>existing system, even with Apache's mindshare.  Besides, who wants to
>copy a mediocre idea? :-)






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Re: More abuse of coding styles...

[Micael Padraig Og mac Grene]

At 07:07 PM 1/9/02 -0800, you wrote:
>Ceki Gülcü <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > People who repeatedly forget to type "this" represent a minority and
> > should perhaps look to exercise a different profession.
>
>Agreed.
>
> > The problem with
> >
> > public void setSomething(Object something){
> >   this.something = something;
> > }
> >
> > is
> >
> > public void setSomethingComplicated(Object sometingComplicateed){
> >   this.somethingComplicated = somethingComplicated;
> > }
>
>There's only possibility of problem there when you don't copy and
>paste your variable names.


On the one hand, arrogance is never helpful, if you mean to be helpful.  If 
you want to show off how smart you are, on the other hand, it is a great 
tool.  The difference is whether you want to talk about yourself or the 
subject-matter.

- micael


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Re: crushed

[Micael Padraig Og mac Grene]

At 03:44 PM 1/7/02 -0500, you wrote:
>Guys,
>
>This whole experience has become a bit disheartening.  Craig McClanahan
>who is like an idol of mine said this:


What I like most about Craig is that he is concise and accurate.

- micael


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Re: On unity and coherence [was Re: [Request For Comment] POI @ apache]

[Micael Padraig Og mac Grene]

At 10:40 AM 1/5/02 -0500, you wrote:
>I would also like to personally commend Jon with his efforts to better
>document Jakarta. He has put a lot into the Web site (probably 90%), and
>we all owe him a great debt.
>
>-Ted.


Despite Jon's "candid remarks," as you put it, Ted, I too would like him to 
know that I join a throng in saying thanks.

- Micael


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Re: organizational culture in virtual organizations -qualitative research at university of vienna

[Micael Padraig Og mac Grene]

At 09:30 PM 12/29/01 +0100, you wrote:
>Micael i am aware of the fact that this is for sure true for you right now.
>from my
>point of view it looks a little different right now - over the last year i
>have developed theoretical research on this topic one aspect in it iso the
>concept (by E. Schein 1992) of levels of culture:
>artefacts: visible - but need to be interprated
>values: half invisible half visible
>basic assumptions: which are invisible and unconscious
>this questions belong to the basic assumtions - which you are may be not
>aware of . . . . . and am for sure not at all dont knowing this culture!
>and qualitative researches on the other hand sugest that you should ask that
>way - controvers to asking smart questions by Raymond.
>
>ted thanks for your support :-)
>
>sari

I had no idea there was a vote saying it was okay to study us in this 
medium.  You certainly followed the rules.

What Ted did, I have no idea.  And no say.

Good luck with your studies.

I used to travel near you and present each year in the 80s at the Annual 
Wittgenstein Symposia in Kircheberg am Wechsel.  Are you aware of 
that?  Want to discuss that in here?  lol.  I guess that would be 
appropriate.  ;-)

I wish you had prefaced your question with the fact that someone had given 
you permission to raise the issue in here.  As it was, it was a surprise to 
me, and perhaps to others.  Sort of like having people show up in your 
office to study you unannounced.  (I guess if you bawked at that Ted would 
think you were closed to open communication too?)  I hope you understand 
that being out of the loop in your own environment is a bit 
disconcerting.  As I said, good luck with your study, and I see you were 
not the person at fault, if anyone was at fault.

micael


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Re: organizational culture in virtual organizations -qualitative research at university of vienna

[Micael Padraig Og mac Grene]

At 02:40 PM 12/29/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Micael Padraig Og mac Grene wrote:
> > When studying subcultures, the first rule is to not abuse them.  This
> > request is inconsistent with the tenets of this culture.
> >
> > - micael
>
>Why do you say that, Micael?
>
>It would be inconsistent to post this to all the USER or DEV lists, but,
>as a matter of fact, I invited Sari to post this to the General list,
>and Pier tossed the idea a +1 as well. Sari originally sent a private
>message to the people with addresses listed on our contact page, but I
>suggested it would be better to do this openly on the General list,
>where the exchange would be archived -- in accordance with our tenets.
>
>I believe the General list is a place where we can talk about ourselves.
>If anything, discouraging open communication about who we are and what
>we do would be inconsistent with our tenets.


Well, Ted, guess you the man!  The vote is in your pocket.  Discussing who 
we are and what we do is now a part of these postings.  A surprise to me, 
but what the "hay," I am open to change.  I don't think that I would 
discourage open communication on anything.  I would discourage discussing 
Viet Nam during a wedding, but not discourage talking about it period.  Get 
the distinction?  Anyway, I think it is inappropriate, but I accept the 
vote, if that is the fact. Bye.


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Re: organizational culture in virtual organizations - qualitative research at university of vienna

[Micael Padraig Og mac Grene]

At 07:59 PM 12/29/01 +0100, you wrote:
>I'm studying international business administration at the University of
>Vienna. My majors are organization and planning. Currently I´m writing my
>thesis on organizational culture in virtual organizations.
>At the beginning of this work (spring or summer 2001) I had to answer two
>questions:
>1. What is a virtual organization?
>2. How will I be able to measure culture?
>The first question was answered by defining a specific form of virtual
>organization, which structure looks very much like apache and all its
>sub-projects. The second question could not be answered - so I decided to go
>for a qualitative research - trying to describe a special type of culture
>rather than measure it.
>To generate data from the field, qualitative researches offer and recommend
>to use multiple methods and techniques to gain a wide view of several
>aspects:
>a) Group discussion - which can be done here => the questions following
>below should serve as startingpoint. the ones with the * are even more
>optional.
>b) Observations - which will be done on the interface of the organization -
>during the last days i read a lot :-) also part of the archives ted!
>
>1. Could you shortly characterize the environment you are working in?
>2. How did you start to work on this project? Is there an anecdote which
>everybody remembers?
>3. Why are you working in an Open Source Project?
>4. What do you understand by the term "organizational culture"?
>5. Could you characterize the organizational culture of the project you are
>working in by using six terms?
>6. Could you imagine using the term "to dock" in combination with the term
>"culture"?
>7. If yes, could you describe the connection between these terms?
>8. Which factors are making the working process easier?
>9. Is there a slogan for your work?
>10. Could you describe a situation where you didn't trust the person you
>were talking to online?
>*11. Do you think trust between strangers is possible or do people need to
>know each other to build up trust?
>*12. Do you think frequent communication improves trust or do you think that
>there is no relation between communication and trust?
>13. Which influence does "experiences in virtual worlds" have on your work?
>*14. How many hours is your daily online time on average?
>*15. Do you think online communication is easier with people who have the
>same experiences as you, or do you think that experiences do not influence
>the understanding between people?
>*16. Do you think online communication needs to be learned like a new
>language or do you believe that everybody is instantly able to communicate
>online?
>17. Why are you getting involved into new projects?
>*18. Life is learning - do you consider this as true?
>*19. Do you think people who work in virtual organizations tend to have fun
>while learning, or do they learn the same way as people working in "normal"
>work environments?
>20. Which kind of risks do you usualy take in your workplace - could you
>shortly describe?
>*21. Do you think risk can be taken at workplace or should the work
>environment be a secure place?
>*22. Do you think working at new technologies involves risk for you or do
>you think the risks you take are the same as working in an old fashion
>business?
>23. What do you think about information - and knowledge sharing? How far
>would you go?
>*24. Do you think people who actively share information are getting more
>knowledge by communicating with people who also actively share information?
>*25. Does the sharing of information need to be a 1:1 relationship - giving
>and getting information is equal between 2 persons or is it not important
>that you receive information in return of giving information to another
>person?
>
>The interpretation of the generated data will be done over during Christmas
>and New Year - Im realy late i know. This wokrk will be finished on 01.05.02
>and be presented on 01.16.02 at University of Vienna. After this I would
>like to translate the results into English for all of you.
>
>It would make me happy if some of you could answer some oft the questions.
>
>Sari
>
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When studying subcultures, the first rule is to not abuse them.  This 
request is inconsistent with the tenets of this culture.

- micael



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Re: Coding style addition

[Micael Padraig Og mac Grene]

At 04:53 PM 12/15/01 -0800, you wrote:

>The most entertaining flamewars I've ever seen are atempts to gain
>consensus on whether to use tabs or not, and then how many characters an
>indent is :-).
>
> > Kevin
>
>Craig McClanahan



If you think the topic of indent spacing is a joke, then you are sick, 
pal.  ;-)

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Re: Project idea

[Micael Padraig Og mac Grene]

I agree with you people.  Good soil to till.
-Original Message-
From: Bob Jamison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sunday, July 15, 2001 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: Project idea


>Cory L Hubert wrote:
>
>> I think it's time for it as well.   Oracle, DB2, Sybase are planning on
>>cashing in even bigger now.   The .com crazy is over and people are going
to
>>start to develop and market information rich websites and services that
>>reach out to cell phones/PDA's etc.
>>
>> There hasn't been much innovation going on in the Relational DB world.
>>It'd be nice to see an Open Source project catch up, innovate, and
>>outperform the Big Name DB vendors.
>> An Open Source java DB by a trusted Open Source Name (Apache) would allow
>>anyone to have a high end database solution without being a big money
making
>>enterprise.
>>
>> Obviously I think this is a good idea.   Why don't we create a list for
>>Open Source DB's to evaluate?  Also some criteria.
>> I've already mentioned.
>>
>> 1. Object or Object/Relational DB.
>> 2. Support for SQL/OQL
>> 3. Support for the SUN JDO spec.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: David Duddleston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 11:58 PM
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: RE: Project idea
>>
>>
>>
>>There is a pretty good Java SQL Relational DB called Mckoi, but the darn
>>thing is GPL and I have sent about 6 emails trying to get them to change
the
>>license to an ASL or equivalent, but I have had no luck. They won't even
>>change to LGPL.
>>
>>hsql Database on sourceforge has a good license and works well for small
>>projects, but I don't know if I would trust it for anything important.
>>Hopefully it will pick up some momentum.
>>
>>I know Jetspeed (a Jakarta project) uses Hypersonic SQL (now hsql
Database),
>>or at least used it the last time I check which was a long time ago. I
would
>>love to see a solid Java RDBMS under a business friendly license. Maybe
>>someday ;-)
>>
>>-david
>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Tal Dayan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>>Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 5:11 PM
>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>Subject: Project idea
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Does Jakarta has anything close to an embedded pure Java
>>>relational data base ?
>>>
>>>If not, a project like that will be a great
>>>addition to the Jakarta family.
>>>
>>>
>>>Tal
>>>
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>Hey, maybe take a look at
>
>http://www.lutris.com/products/projects/instantDB
>
>They have been hinting about making it open for a
>long time now, and maybe they could use some
>help doing so.
>
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Re: Olympics (was: Re: What is Struts? (was: Re: What is Avalon?))

[Micael Padraig Og mac Grene]

I am with you on that one, Jon.  I cannot figure out why people would use
JSP when they have Servlets.  I think JSP was really just to counter ASP.
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Subject: Re: Olympics (was: Re: What is Struts? (was: Re: What is Avalon?))


> on 2/9/01 10:59 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Without Sun "pushing" standard technologies, what would Turbine do for a
> > servlet engine base across App Servers?
>
> The same exact thing it has been doing for the last 3+ years now...Sun was
> smart and pushed Servlets.
>
> That doesn't mean that it also got it right with JSP...which in reality is
> not much better than just plain Servlets.
>
> Servlets solve a problem effectively. JSP doesn't.
>
> People need to wake up to that fact.
>
> -jon
>
> --
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> your pain to new levels. --Anonymous
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