Re: Can I use Hibernate in an Apache project without compromising the Apache License?

2004-09-29 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 11:11, Brett Porter wrote: is not ASF License compliant? If yes, than I would really hate to have to point you at http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/maven-plugins/hibernate/src/main/org/apache/maven/hibernate/beans/SchemaExportBean.java?annotate=1.7 This would

Re: Can I use Hibernate in an Apache project without compromising the Apache License?

2004-09-29 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 11:11, Brett Porter wrote: is not ASF License compliant? If yes, than I would really hate to have to point you at

Re: Can I use Hibernate in an Apache project without compromising the Apache License?

2004-09-29 Thread Martin van den Bemt
On Wed, 2004-09-29 at 13:56, Vadim Gritsenko wrote: Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 11:11, Brett Porter wrote: is not ASF License compliant? If yes, than I would really hate to have to point you at

Re: Can I use Hibernate in an Apache project without compromising the Apache License?

2004-09-29 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
Martin van den Bemt wrote: On Wed, 2004-09-29 at 13:56, Vadim Gritsenko wrote: Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 11:11, Brett Porter wrote: is not ASF License compliant? If yes, than I would really hate to have to point you at

Re: Can I use Hibernate in an Apache project without compromising the Apache License?

2004-09-29 Thread Endre Stølsvik
| The problem, AFAIU, is that this Maven's code now has to become LGPL licensed | itself, due to LGPL license requirements. And ASF repositories can't contain | LGPL code. So the answer is to pull (quickly) this code from Maven, and not to | introduce to Slide. | | Incorrect. Unless maven core

Re: Can I use Hibernate in an Apache project without compromising the Apache License?

2004-09-29 Thread Henri Yandell
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004, [iso-8859-1] Endre Stølsvik wrote: | The problem, AFAIU, is that this Maven's code now has to become LGPL licensed | itself, due to LGPL license requirements. And ASF repositories can't contain | LGPL code. So the answer is to pull (quickly) this code from Maven, and not

Re: Can I use Hibernate in an Apache project without compromising the Apache License?

2004-09-29 Thread Henri Yandell
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 11:11, Brett Porter wrote: is not ASF License compliant? If yes, than I would really hate to have to point you at

Re: Can I use Hibernate in an Apache project without compromising the Apache License?

2004-09-29 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Sep 29, 2004, at 3:50 AM, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 11:11, Brett Porter wrote: is not ASF License compliant? If yes, than I would really hate to have to point you at http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/maven-plugins/hibernate/src/main/

Re: Can I use Hibernate in an Apache project without compromising the Apache License?

2004-09-29 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Sep 29, 2004, at 4:56 AM, Vadim Gritsenko wrote: Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 11:11, Brett Porter wrote: is not ASF License compliant? If yes, than I would really hate to have to point you at http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/maven-plugins/hibernate/src/main/

Re: Can I use Hibernate in an Apache project without compromising the Apache License?

2004-09-29 Thread Martin van den Bemt
No - LGPL isn't viral unless you make derivative works of the LGPL-ed code itself. Just using an LGPL-ed codebase as a library does not trigger the virality. The problem is that for java, there are questions about the clarity of the provisions in the license that prevent the virality

Re: Can I use Hibernate in an Apache project without compromising the Apache License?

2004-09-29 Thread Danny Angus
The problem is that for java, there are questions about the clarity of the provisions in the license that prevent the virality from taking effect, which is why the ASF doesn't allow LGPLed java usage. I believe that a specific example is implementing an interface where the interface is LGPL,

Re: Can I use Hibernate in an Apache project without compromising the Apache License?

2004-09-29 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Sep 29, 2004, at 4:56 AM, Vadim Gritsenko wrote: The problem, AFAIU, is that this Maven's code now has to become LGPL licensed itself, due to LGPL license requirements. And ASF repositories can't contain LGPL code. So the answer is to pull (quickly) this code

Re: Can I use Hibernate in an Apache project without compromising the Apache License?

2004-09-28 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 00:15, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Sep 27, 2004, at 11:37 AM, Tim O'Brien wrote: For Oliver's sake, could we submit the question to ASF counsel and see if there is any way to allow us to use Hibernate in even the most round about way. Our counsel would have no

Re: Can I use Hibernate in an Apache project without compromising the Apache License?

2004-09-28 Thread Brett Porter
is not ASF License compliant? If yes, than I would really hate to have to point you at http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/maven-plugins/hibernate/src/main/org/apache/maven/hibernate/beans/SchemaExportBean.java?annotate=1.7 This would compromise all Maven releases that include the

RE: Can I use Hibernate in an Apache project without compromising the Apache License?

2004-09-28 Thread Mahler Thomas
: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:38 AM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Can I use Hibernate in an Apache project without compromising the Apache License? Folks, I was considering to use Hibernate for persistence in the Slide project. Now, Hibernate is LGPL, but in http://www.hibernate.org

RE: Can I use Hibernate in an Apache project without compromising the Apache License?

2004-09-28 Thread Mahler Thomas
Hi Noel, Mahler Thomas wrote: You might consider Using Apache OJB (http://db.apache.org/ojb). It can do everything that hibernate can do - and more. We don't hear much (enough?) about OJB. Has anyone written up an OJB for Hibernate Users type document? I think that's a valid point.

Re: Can I use Hibernate in an Apache project without compromising the Apache License?

2004-09-27 Thread Oliver Zeigermann
I use Hibernate in an Apache project without compromising the Apache License? Mahler Thomas wrote: You might consider Using Apache OJB (http://db.apache.org/ojb). It can do everything that hibernate can do - and more. We don't hear much (enough?) about OJB. Has anyone written up an OJB

Re: Can I use Hibernate in an Apache project without compromising the Apache License?

2004-09-27 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
Message- From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 12:03 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: RE: Can I use Hibernate in an Apache project without compromising the Apache License? Mahler Thomas wrote: You might consider Using Apache OJB (http://db.apache.org

Re: Can I use Hibernate in an Apache project without compromising the Apache License?

2004-09-27 Thread Martin Cooper
Zeigermann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 2:38 AM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Can I use Hibernate in an Apache project without compromising the Apache License? Folks, I was considering to use Hibernate for persistence in the Slide project. Now

Re: Can I use Hibernate in an Apache project without compromising the Apache License?

2004-09-27 Thread Henri Yandell
On Mon, 27 Sep 2004, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: This is an issue important to me as well - I'd like to see this go away, so we can use software w/ the LGPL. But until the problem is resolved, right now the only way is to use via a dynamic dispatch mechanism. I've been thinking about this for a

Re: Can I use Hibernate in an Apache project without compromising the Apache License?

2004-09-27 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
On Sep 27, 2004, at 4:41 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: On Mon, 27 Sep 2004, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: This is an issue important to me as well - I'd like to see this go away, so we can use software w/ the LGPL. But until the problem is resolved, right now the only way is to use via a dynamic

Re: Can I use Hibernate in an Apache project without compromising the Apache License?

2004-09-27 Thread Oliver Zeigermann
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: On Sep 27, 2004, at 4:41 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: On Mon, 27 Sep 2004, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: This is an issue important to me as well - I'd like to see this go away, so we can use software w/ the LGPL. But until the problem is resolved, right now the only way is to

Re: Can I use Hibernate in an Apache project without compromising the Apache License?

2004-09-27 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Sep 27, 2004, at 4:20 PM, Oliver Zeigermann wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: On Sep 27, 2004, at 4:41 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: On Mon, 27 Sep 2004, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: This is an issue important to me as well - I'd like to see this go away, so we can use software w/ the LGPL. But until

RE: Can I use Hibernate in an Apache project without compromising the Apache License?

2004-09-27 Thread Tim O'Brien
-Original Message- From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] board_hat no /board_hat Alright, that's a clear answer. Thanks for bringing out the board_hat xml tag. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: Can I use Hibernate in an Apache project without compromising the Apache License?

2004-09-27 Thread Dain Sundstrom
On Sep 27, 2004, at 4:20 PM, Oliver Zeigermann wrote: I know I keep repeating myself all the time, but for the special case of Hibernate doesn't this http://www.hibernate.org/196.html From the link above: Using Hibernate (by importing Hibernate's public interfaces in your Java code), and

Re: Can I use Hibernate in an Apache project without compromising the Apache License?

2004-09-27 Thread Oliver Zeigermann
Thanks to all coming the long way to explain to me and being patient. Bottom line: http://www.hibernate.org/196.html does not mean anything as authors (might) change their mind (Dain) it's just some web page - it's not part of the license (LGPL) (Geir). So there is no way to use Hibernate or