On Jun 7, 2004, at 5:05 AM, Danny Angus wrote:
Geir wrote:
Well, I'm a little leery about sending watchdog traffic (even if none)
to general@ - all it takes is one guy getting interested :)
(My silence was due to temporary no-email-at-home, not indifference!)
I'd prefer to propose the following:
> I don't think that working, used-by-users code is 'dead'. There may
> not be an active community of developers, but if the code is done, it's
> done.
I agree. I think we should consider it as the caretakeing of the user
community of a stable product, and if it ever arises, the sponsors of
Noel wrote:
> We leave the resources in place, with a notice that the project is
> dormant. If it is revitalized, great. If not, what harm is there?
To me it seems like an opportunity for part of jakarta to fall out of PMC
oversight.
I'm not suggesting that there is any legal controversy lo
Geir wrote:
> Well, I'm a little leery about sending watchdog traffic (even if none)
> to general@ - all it takes is one guy getting interested :)
(My silence was due to temporary no-email-at-home, not indifference!)
I'd prefer to propose the following:
1/ that a PMC vote is taken *HERE* to
Noel,
>But I don't think that we need a separate TLP for it. I would leave
>the project in the community that last hosted the now dormant project.
Good point, perhaps we just need to organise ourselves.
d.
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On May 26, 2004, at 9:33 AM, Shapira, Yoav wrote:
Hi,
I just tried to subscribe to the watchdog mailing list in order to
notify the developers of a bug I submitted against Watchdog. But I got
a "no such mailbox: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" error
response from the mail server. What's the status of Watchdog
On Fri, 4 Jun 2004, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
> > Yoav Shapira wrote:
> > > OK, then let me propose this:
> > >
> > > - We give Danny Angus and myself karma for Watchdog. There are no
> > > active committers to nominate us.
>
> > +1
>
> +1 Let's just go ahead and do t
> We agree that "burying" a project is less than helpful.
> It is the "invite people to be active" part that interests me. I'm not
> saying I want an activity meter the likes of Sourceforge, but it is
> polite to our users to give people a sense of activity.
Well, if we focus on the word COMMUNI
> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Copeland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 2:19 PM
> To: Jakarta General List
> Subject: RE: [Watchdog] Dead?
>
> On Fri, 2004-06-04 at 15:14, Tim O'Brien wrote:
> > It is the "invite people
On Fri, 2004-06-04 at 15:14, Tim O'Brien wrote:
> It is the "invite people to be active" part that interests me. I'm not
> saying I want an activity meter the likes of Sourceforge, but it is polite
> to our users to give people a sense of activity.
That's one of the nice things about a GForge-ish
> -Original Message-
> From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 1:55 PM
> To: Jakarta General List
> Subject: RE: [Watchdog] Dead?
>
> Tim O'Brien wrote:
> > Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > > > If watchdog
Tim O'Brien wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > > If watchdog is dead, we should move it to the "Graveyard".
> > > Noel, you are the incubator guy, any ideas about starting
> > > this process
> >
> > First of all, I'm curious to know what you think incubation
> > has to do with dormant projects.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 10:41 AM
> To: Jakarta General List
> Subject: RE: [Watchdog] Dead?
>
> > If watchdog is dead, we should move it to the "Graveyard".
>
> >
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
> Yoav Shapira wrote:
> > OK, then let me propose this:
> >
> > - We give Danny Angus and myself karma for Watchdog. There are no
> > active committers to nominate us.
> +1
+1 Let's just go ahead and do this. :-)
Yoav's comment gets back to my ealier point. A PMC s
> -Original Message-
> From: Geir Magnusson Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Having Tomcat community take care of watchdog would be great,
> and it doesn't imply any major work like moving the code or
> site. Just paying attention to the lists and putting a
> notice on the Watchdog
> -Original Message-
> From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 11:13 AM
> To: Jakarta General List
> Subject: RE: [Watchdog] Dead?
>
> Henri Yandell wrote:
> > Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > > Secondly, I'm no
>>> We still need to take care of the mailing lists. I see two options:
>>> - We revive the watchdog-dev/watchdog-user mailing lists and redirect
>>> them somewhere like [EMAIL PROTECTED], or
>>> - We just leave them dead, take off the subscription links on the
>>> Watchdog site, and indicate in o
On Jun 4, 2004, at 1:54 PM, Shapira, Yoav wrote:
Hi,
There's nothing to monitor: the lists are dead. Emails to
watchdog-dev-subscribe/unsubscribe come back with an address not
found
type error. And yet those are the addresses linked on the watchdog
site. So we actually have broken and misleading
Hi,
>> There's nothing to monitor: the lists are dead. Emails to
>> watchdog-dev-subscribe/unsubscribe come back with an address not
found
>> type error. And yet those are the addresses linked on the watchdog
>> site. So we actually have broken and misleading information there ;)
>
>(!)
>
>So
On Jun 4, 2004, at 1:45 PM, Shapira, Yoav wrote:
Hi,
We still need to take care of the mailing lists. I see two options:
- We revive the watchdog-dev/watchdog-user mailing lists and redirect
them somewhere like [EMAIL PROTECTED], or
- We just leave them dead, take off the subscription links on the
Hi,
>> We still need to take care of the mailing lists. I see two options:
>> - We revive the watchdog-dev/watchdog-user mailing lists and redirect
>> them somewhere like [EMAIL PROTECTED], or
>> - We just leave them dead, take off the subscription links on the
>> Watchdog site, and indicate in
On Jun 4, 2004, at 1:31 PM, Shapira, Yoav wrote:
Hi,
OK, then let me propose this:
- We give Danny Angus and myself karma for Watchdog. There are no
active committers to nominate us.
+1
- Either one of us will place a notice of dormancy (text TBD) on the
front page for Watchdog
+1
- I will fix the
nnium Research Informatics
>-Original Message-
>From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 1:27 PM
>To: Jakarta General List
>Subject: RE: [Watchdog] Dead?
>
>> we do need to have someone somewhere answerable to the board and with
> we do need to have someone somewhere answerable to the board and with
> oversight over any project which has public resources, whether it is
> active, maintenance only or unsupported end-of-life.
Yes. But I don't think that we need a separate TLP for it. I would leave
the project in the commun
On Jun 4, 2004, at 1:14 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Yoav Shapira wrote:
For interest's sake, let me explain what's been happening with
Watchdog,
as I think it's a useful example for other "graveyard" or
"end-of-life"
scenarios.
We use Watchdog as part of the tomcat release process.
A tiny change
Yoav Shapira wrote:
> For interest's sake, let me explain what's been happening with Watchdog,
> as I think it's a useful example for other "graveyard" or "end-of-life"
> scenarios.
> We use Watchdog as part of the tomcat release process.
> A tiny change to the Watchdog build.xml would fix [a pr
Henri Yandell wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > Secondly, I'm not one who favors "closing" an open source project.
Ever.
> Only place I favour closing projects is when they are in the incubator and
> 'fail', or in commons-sandbox.
Depends upon what happens in the Incubator. If it does actually
do the manual copy (or hack the tomcat build file in an
ugly way to accommodate watchdog's build problems).
Yoav Shapira
Millennium Research Informatics
>-Original Message-
>From: Danny Angus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 12:01 PM
>To: Jakarta Ge
> First of all, I'm curious to know what you think incubation has to do
with
> dormant projects.
It's the opposite.
> Secondly, I'm not one who favors "closing" an open source project. Ever.
I
> didn't really agree with closing java.apache.org. Although I do agree
with
> closing that domai
On Fri, 4 Jun 2004, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > If watchdog is dead, we should move it to the "Graveyard".
>
> > Noel, you are the incubator guy, any ideas about starting this process
> > - what is involved, any previous threads on the subject.
>
> First of all, I'm curious to know what you think
> If watchdog is dead, we should move it to the "Graveyard".
> Noel, you are the incubator guy, any ideas about starting this process
> - what is involved, any previous threads on the subject.
First of all, I'm curious to know what you think incubation has to do with
dormant projects.
Secondly,
atics
>-Original Message-
>From: Tim O'Brien [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 11:21 AM
>To: 'Jakarta General List'
>Subject: RE: [Watchdog] Dead?
>
>If watchdog is dead, we should move it to the "Graveyard".
>
>Noel,
> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 2:12 PM
> To: Jakarta General List
> Subject: RE: [Watchdog] Dead?
>
> Yoav,
>
> > "no such mailbox: [EMAIL PROTECTED]"
>
> I don't know the answer to the project status, but I can
> confirm that there is no such maili
Yoav,
> "no such mailbox: [EMAIL PROTECTED]"
I don't know the answer to the project status, but I can confirm that there
is no such mailing list currently existent. I don't know when it
disappeared, other than the fact that it stopped archiving back in Nov 2002,
but entire mailing lists structur
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