Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hudi (Incubating) as a TLP

[Vinoth Chandar]

Hello,

Started a VOTE thread here [1]. Please chime in with your votes. 

[1] 
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On 2020/05/15 18:30:25, Vinoth Chandar  wrote: 
> Hi all,
> 
> We would like to start a VOTE, if no one objects. DISCUSS thread can remain 
> open for feedback through the process. 
> 
> 
> On 2020/05/14 16:48:59, Vinoth Chandar  wrote: 
> > I was n't suggesting we close up with open issues. Anyways, understood.. :) 
> > . Will wait for the conversation to die down like Justin mentioned. 
> > 
> > I believe we have addressed the issues raised so far. Happy to get more 
> > feedback. 
> > 
> > On 2020/05/14 01:52:13, Daniel Gruno  wrote: 
> > > On 13/05/2020 20.47, Justin Mclean wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > >> Folks, just as a reminder. We are approaching 72 hours. Please provide 
> > > >> your comments sooner than later!
> > > > 
> > > > There's no real time limit for discussion to graduate. I just wait for 
> > > > the conversation to die down, but input from other IPMC members would 
> > > > be appreciated.
> > > 
> > > One might say, if there's one final send-away message from the 
> > > incubator, it's this :) 72 hours is a rule of thumb, if it takes a month 
> > > to get a vote, release, whatever done, then a month it takes :). 72h is 
> > > the established *minimum* votes should run for, not the maximum.
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hudi (Incubating) as a TLP

[Vinoth Chandar]

Hi all,

We would like to start a VOTE, if no one objects. DISCUSS thread can remain 
open for feedback through the process. 


On 2020/05/14 16:48:59, Vinoth Chandar  wrote: 
> I was n't suggesting we close up with open issues. Anyways, understood.. :) . 
> Will wait for the conversation to die down like Justin mentioned. 
> 
> I believe we have addressed the issues raised so far. Happy to get more 
> feedback. 
> 
> On 2020/05/14 01:52:13, Daniel Gruno  wrote: 
> > On 13/05/2020 20.47, Justin Mclean wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > >> Folks, just as a reminder. We are approaching 72 hours. Please provide 
> > >> your comments sooner than later!
> > > 
> > > There's no real time limit for discussion to graduate. I just wait for 
> > > the conversation to die down, but input from other IPMC members would be 
> > > appreciated.
> > 
> > One might say, if there's one final send-away message from the 
> > incubator, it's this :) 72 hours is a rule of thumb, if it takes a month 
> > to get a vote, release, whatever done, then a month it takes :). 72h is 
> > the established *minimum* votes should run for, not the maximum.
> > 
> > > 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hudi (Incubating) as a TLP

[Vinoth Chandar]

I was n't suggesting we close up with open issues. Anyways, understood.. :) . 
Will wait for the conversation to die down like Justin mentioned. 

I believe we have addressed the issues raised so far. Happy to get more 
feedback. 

On 2020/05/14 01:52:13, Daniel Gruno  wrote: 
> On 13/05/2020 20.47, Justin Mclean wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> >> Folks, just as a reminder. We are approaching 72 hours. Please provide 
> >> your comments sooner than later!
> > 
> > There's no real time limit for discussion to graduate. I just wait for the 
> > conversation to die down, but input from other IPMC members would be 
> > appreciated.
> 
> One might say, if there's one final send-away message from the 
> incubator, it's this :) 72 hours is a rule of thumb, if it takes a month 
> to get a vote, release, whatever done, then a month it takes :). 72h is 
> the established *minimum* votes should run for, not the maximum.
> 
> > 
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> > Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hudi (Incubating) as a TLP

[lamberken]

Thank you for your detailed advice. 

Best,
Lamber-Ken

On 2020/05/13 23:43:31, Justin Mclean  wrote: 
> HI,
> 
> > Thanks for making us aware of this. Our community jumped on this and we are 
> > all green now [1]
> 
> Thanks for doing that. I hope you move the to a more prominent place once you 
> graduate.
> 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hudi (Incubating) as a TLP

[Daniel Gruno]

On 13/05/2020 20.47, Justin Mclean wrote:

Hi,


Folks, just as a reminder. We are approaching 72 hours. Please provide your 
comments sooner than later!


There's no real time limit for discussion to graduate. I just wait for the 
conversation to die down, but input from other IPMC members would be 
appreciated.


One might say, if there's one final send-away message from the 
incubator, it's this :) 72 hours is a rule of thumb, if it takes a month 
to get a vote, release, whatever done, then a month it takes :). 72h is 
the established *minimum* votes should run for, not the maximum.




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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hudi (Incubating) as a TLP

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> Folks, just as a reminder. We are approaching 72 hours. Please provide your 
> comments sooner than later! 

There's no real time limit for discussion to graduate. I just wait for the 
conversation to die down, but input from other IPMC members would be 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hudi (Incubating) as a TLP

[Vinoth Chandar]

Will do! 

Folks, just as a reminder. We are approaching 72 hours. Please provide your 
comments sooner than later! 


On 2020/05/13 23:43:31, Justin Mclean  wrote: 
> HI,
> 
> > Thanks for making us aware of this. Our community jumped on this and we are 
> > all green now [1]
> 
> Thanks for doing that. I hope you move the to a more prominent place once you 
> graduate.
> 
> Thanks,
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hudi (Incubating) as a TLP

[Justin Mclean]

HI,

> Thanks for making us aware of this. Our community jumped on this and we are 
> all green now [1]

Thanks for doing that. I hope you move the to a more prominent place once you 
graduate.

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hudi (Incubating) as a TLP

[Vinoth Chandar]

Hi Justin,

Thanks for making us aware of this. Our community jumped on this and we are all 
green now [1] ;) 

[1] https://whimsy.apache.org/pods/project/hudi 

On 2020/05/13 04:23:48, Justin Mclean  wrote: 
> HI,
> 
> > Summarizing follow up on items raised by Justin..
> > 
> > - I put up a PR to fix the download link 
> > - The spark summit agenda here does not list the talk. yes. its unfortunate 
> > - the linking. 
> > - On the logos, I kicked on a DISCUSS thread on our dev list already. 
> 
> Thanks for that. There are also some required links / branding missing on 
> your the web site [1]
> 
> Thanks,
> Justin
> 
> 1. https://whimsy.apache.org/pods/project/hudi
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hudi (Incubating) as a TLP

[Justin Mclean]

HI,

> Summarizing follow up on items raised by Justin..
> 
> - I put up a PR to fix the download link 
> - The spark summit agenda here does not list the talk. yes. its unfortunate - 
> the linking. 
> - On the logos, I kicked on a DISCUSS thread on our dev list already. 

Thanks for that. There are also some required links / branding missing on your 
the web site [1]

Thanks,
Justin

1. https://whimsy.apache.org/pods/project/hudi
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hudi (Incubating) as a TLP

[Vinoth Chandar]

Summarizing follow up on items raised by Justin..

- I put up a PR to fix the download link 
- The spark summit agenda here does not list the talk. yes. its unfortunate - 
the linking. 
- On the logos, I kicked on a DISCUSS thread on our dev list already. 

That leaves us with the PMC membership issue. As Thomas kindly pointed out, 
this was explicitly discussed before on the private PPMC list. There are no 
issues raised around this since then (till now) on private@hudi. We will update 
this thread, if anything on the resolution needs to change. 


[1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-hudi/pull/1626/
[2] https://databricks.com/sparkaisummit/north-america-2020/agenda
[3] 
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r72ada5ac3e7beeeaf2753774a791f967ba479435f20014a989a80651%40%3Cdev.hudi.apache.org%3E

On 2020/05/12 15:18:57, Thomas Weise  wrote: 
> +1
> 
> Excellent community-building work. I'm impressed by the inclusiveness and
> diversity of the community and the enthusiasm of many of the individuals.
> This puts Hudi on a solid footing, it also isn't dominated by a single
> commercial entity.
> 
> The PPMC has been attentive to growing the committer and PPMC pipeline and
> also quite transparent in that regard. Candidates are evaluated
> periodically and contributions acknowledged and appreciated.
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Vinoth Chandar  wrote:
> 
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > Apache Hudi (Incubating) entered the incubator in Jan 2019, the community
> > has grown vibrantly since, with all the design, development happening on
> > the Apache infrastructure, the "Apache way".
> >
> > To list a few of the community's achievements,
> >
> > - Accepted > 500 patches from 90 contributors, including 15+ new  design
> > proposals
> > - Performed 3 releases with 3 different release managers [5]
> > - Invited 5 new committers (all of them accepted)
> > - invited 3 of those new committers to join the PMC (all of them accepted)
> > - Migrated our web site to ASF infrastructure [1]
> > - Migrated developer conversations to the list at d...@hudi.apache.org
> > - Migrated all issue tracking to JIRA [2]
> > - Apache Hudi name search has been approved [3]
> > - Assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix [4]
> > - We have built a meritocratic, open collaborative process, the Apache way
> > - Our proposed PMC is diverse and consists of members from ~10
> > organizations
> >
> > We discussed our readiness for graduation as a community [6] and voted
> > unanimously in favor [7] (results summarized in [8]).
> > We have collaborated on a resolution for graduation, including PMC
> > membership and PMC chair. Please refer to the draft resolution below and
> > provide any comments, feedback.
> > The discussion will remain open for at least 72 hours.
> >
> >
> > [1] https://hudi.apache.org
> >
> > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/HUDI/
> >
> > [3] https://jira.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-162
> >
> > [4]
> >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HUDI/Apache+Hudi+Maturity+Matrix
> >
> >
> > [5] https://hudi.apache.org/releases.html
> > [6]
> >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rc98303d9f09665af90ab517ea0baeb7c374e9a5478d8424311e285cd%40%3Cdev.hudi.apache.org%3E
> > [7]
> >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rc19cedf6bb423cfc24efea27d8952a2224370a7679bab74d05de19b2%40%3Cdev.hudi.apache.org%3E
> > [8]
> >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r7b5c169c1bc3a1acaa35f43ff5388f5fc8b60746d423043464fcf5df%40%3Cdev.hudi.apache.org%3E
> >
> > Establish the Apache Hudi Project
> >
> > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the
> > Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a
> > Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> > open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public, related
> > to providing atomic upserts and incremental data streams on Big Data.
> >
> > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC),
> > to be known as the "Apache Hudi Project", be and hereby is established
> > pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the Apache Hudi Project be and hereby is responsible for the
> > creation and maintenance of software related to providing atomic upserts
> > and incremental data streams on Big Data; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Hudi" be and hereby is
> > created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of the
> > Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Hudi Project, and to have
> > primary responsibility for management of the projects within the scope of
> > responsibility of the Apache Hudi Project; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
> > appointed
> > to serve as the initial members of the Apache Hudi Project:
> >
> >  * Anbu Cheeralan

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hudi (Incubating) as a TLP

[Justin Mclean]

HI,

> IIUC you want us to remove the logos. Correct? 

What you do is up to the project. But think about what message that sends being 
on the front page. You may want to read [1].

If any of you are IPMC or ASF members you might wast to read this private 
thread. [2]

Thanks,
Justin

1. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking 

2. 
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r68df1ac8c2895071ca81e5183ad181891c98bbe1e379488653568327%40%3Cprivate.incubator.apache.org%3E

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hudi (Incubating) as a TLP

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

Thanks for the detailed answers.

>  Happy to follow up on private@, if thats deemed more appropriate.

That’s up to you I can see one of your proposed PMC members seems to think 
something needs to b done. he incubator could also request that the board alter 
the PMC membership,

> On the 3rd party branding issues cited, both of them are pre-incubation 
> references to the project when hosted on Uber's github account.

While the content may be old the header on that page implies the content is for 
a conference in 2020 which is unfortunate. 

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hudi (Incubating) as a TLP

[Vinoth Chandar]

Hi Justin,

Quick clarification on the logos comment

> - logos of other companies on front page
IIUC you want us to remove the logos. Correct? 

Thanks
Vinoth

On 2020/05/12 14:46:30, Vinoth Chandar  wrote: 
> Hi Justin,
> 
> Thanks, as always, for the great feedback!
> 
> On the PMC, the folks listed fall into at-least one of the following 
> categories
> 
>  - Actively (multiple times a week) taking part in the project. All our newly 
> added PMCs through graduation and majority of original PPMC are currently in 
> this category
>  - Mentors who have helped significantly through the incubation process, 
> teaching us the Apache way
>  - Members of the original PPMC, who may not be very active now, but chose to 
> stay on. These were early adopters/champions for the project. Like you 
> mentioned, the rationale is to allow them the chance to become active again 
> (at-least 1 PMC member cited this specific reason to stay on, On the flip 
> side, we do have 1 PPMC member, 1 inactive mentor  who chose to step down and 
> are not part of this list).
> 
> On the issue of the "person who has been recently added", if this is a 
> mentor, we needed additional mentors, we began a VOTE, but did not follow 
> through, since one of the other mentors suggested apache processes did not 
> require it. Happy to follow up on private@, if thats deemed more appropriate.
> 
> On the committers, 
> 
>  - Of the top 15 contributors [1], 10 of them are already committers. (Not to 
> say this is the only metric). We have a well-documented criteria [2] 
>  - We are and will be glad to offer committership to strong contributors. 
> PPMC sends out appreciation emails to such contributors showing strong 
> trajectory and we have such a healthy pipeline working towards committership.
> 
> We will get the logos/download page link fixed.
> 
> On the 3rd party branding issues cited, both of them are pre-incubation 
> references to the project when hosted on Uber's github account. One of them 
> is a Spark summit talk delivered by 2 current PMC members (incl me) and 
> ondataengineering.net looks like a 3rd party writing a tech summary on the 
> then Uber OSS project.  Since then, Uber has done due process to transfer 
> ownership to the ASF (blog here [3]). Since we incubated, we have 
> consistently used Apache branding in any/all external materials. Please let 
> us know if we are missing something. 
> 
> Thanks
> Vinoth
> 
> 
> [1] 
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-hudi/graphs/contributors?from=2016-12-11=2020-05-12=a
> [2] https://hudi.apache.org/community.html#become-a-committer
> [3] https://eng.uber.com/apache-hudi/
> 
> 
> On 2020/05/12 10:50:06, leesf  wrote: 
> > +1 to graduate Hudi, it is a nice community and deserve graduating.
> > 
> > Justin Mclean  于2020年5月12日周二 上午11:58写道：
> > 
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > > Why having inactive PMC members is not a big deal now?  What's the point
> > > of
> > > > keeping them if they r inactive and do nothing or have no interest in 
> > > > the
> > > > project?
> > >
> > > At some point in the future that may become active again or they may plan
> > > to be more active in the near future. Having a few extra people on the PMC
> > > doesn’t hurt a project if they are inactive.
> > >
> > > > There is an inactive IPMC member on the proposed PMC - who didn't
> > > > have time, or bandwidth to help in any way on the project but yet chose
> > > to
> > > > be part of and expressed his intent to be on the proposed PMC.
> > >
> > > I would suggest the project discusses it with them.
> > >
> > > BTW I also agree Mentors shouldn't automatically become part of the new
> > > PMC if they did not help.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Justin
> > 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hudi (Incubating) as a TLP

[Thomas Weise]

+1

Excellent community-building work. I'm impressed by the inclusiveness and
diversity of the community and the enthusiasm of many of the individuals.
This puts Hudi on a solid footing, it also isn't dominated by a single
commercial entity.

The PPMC has been attentive to growing the committer and PPMC pipeline and
also quite transparent in that regard. Candidates are evaluated
periodically and contributions acknowledged and appreciated.


On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Vinoth Chandar  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Apache Hudi (Incubating) entered the incubator in Jan 2019, the community
> has grown vibrantly since, with all the design, development happening on
> the Apache infrastructure, the "Apache way".
>
> To list a few of the community's achievements,
>
> - Accepted > 500 patches from 90 contributors, including 15+ new  design
> proposals
> - Performed 3 releases with 3 different release managers [5]
> - Invited 5 new committers (all of them accepted)
> - invited 3 of those new committers to join the PMC (all of them accepted)
> - Migrated our web site to ASF infrastructure [1]
> - Migrated developer conversations to the list at d...@hudi.apache.org
> - Migrated all issue tracking to JIRA [2]
> - Apache Hudi name search has been approved [3]
> - Assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix [4]
> - We have built a meritocratic, open collaborative process, the Apache way
> - Our proposed PMC is diverse and consists of members from ~10
> organizations
>
> We discussed our readiness for graduation as a community [6] and voted
> unanimously in favor [7] (results summarized in [8]).
> We have collaborated on a resolution for graduation, including PMC
> membership and PMC chair. Please refer to the draft resolution below and
> provide any comments, feedback.
> The discussion will remain open for at least 72 hours.
>
>
> [1] https://hudi.apache.org
>
> [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/HUDI/
>
> [3] https://jira.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-162
>
> [4]
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HUDI/Apache+Hudi+Maturity+Matrix
>
>
> [5] https://hudi.apache.org/releases.html
> [6]
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rc98303d9f09665af90ab517ea0baeb7c374e9a5478d8424311e285cd%40%3Cdev.hudi.apache.org%3E
> [7]
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rc19cedf6bb423cfc24efea27d8952a2224370a7679bab74d05de19b2%40%3Cdev.hudi.apache.org%3E
> [8]
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r7b5c169c1bc3a1acaa35f43ff5388f5fc8b60746d423043464fcf5df%40%3Cdev.hudi.apache.org%3E
>
> Establish the Apache Hudi Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the
> Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a
> Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public, related
> to providing atomic upserts and incremental data streams on Big Data.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC),
> to be known as the "Apache Hudi Project", be and hereby is established
> pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache Hudi Project be and hereby is responsible for the
> creation and maintenance of software related to providing atomic upserts
> and incremental data streams on Big Data; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Hudi" be and hereby is
> created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of the
> Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Hudi Project, and to have
> primary responsibility for management of the projects within the scope of
> responsibility of the Apache Hudi Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
> appointed
> to serve as the initial members of the Apache Hudi Project:
>
>  * Anbu Cheeralan   
>
>  * Balaji Varadarajan
>
>  * Bhavani Sudha Saktheeswaran   
>
>  * Luciano Resende 
>
>  * Nishith Agarwal
>
>  * Prasanna Rajaperumal
>
>  * Shaofeng Li   
>
>  * Steve Blackmon  
>
>  * Suneel Marthi  
>
>  * Thomas Weise
>
>  * Vino Yang   
>
>  * Vinoth Chandar
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Vinoth Chandar be appointed to
> the office of Vice President, Apache Hudi, to serve in accordance with and
> subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the
> Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal of
> disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and
>
> be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache Hudi Project be and hereby is tasked with the
> migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator Hudi podling; and
>
> be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hudi (Incubating) as a TLP

[Thomas Weise]

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 8:58 PM Justin Mclean 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > Why having inactive PMC members is not a big deal now?  What's the point
> of
> > keeping them if they r inactive and do nothing or have no interest in the
> > project?
>
> At some point in the future that may become active again or they may plan
> to be more active in the near future. Having a few extra people on the PMC
> doesn’t hurt a project if they are inactive.
>
> > There is an inactive IPMC member on the proposed PMC - who didn't
> > have time, or bandwidth to help in any way on the project but yet chose
> to
> > be part of and expressed his intent to be on the proposed PMC.
>
> I would suggest the project discusses it with them.
>
> BTW I also agree Mentors shouldn't automatically become part of the new
> PMC if they did not help.
>

That question was actually asked and there are only mentors on the proposed
PMC that explicitly expressed they are interested to stay on.

The case Suneel raises is one where no merit was earned, which may be worth
discussing on private@ indeed.

Thanks,
Thomas

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hudi (Incubating) as a TLP

[Vinoth Chandar]

Hi Justin,

Thanks, as always, for the great feedback!

On the PMC, the folks listed fall into at-least one of the following categories

 - Actively (multiple times a week) taking part in the project. All our newly 
added PMCs through graduation and majority of original PPMC are currently in 
this category
 - Mentors who have helped significantly through the incubation process, 
teaching us the Apache way
 - Members of the original PPMC, who may not be very active now, but chose to 
stay on. These were early adopters/champions for the project. Like you 
mentioned, the rationale is to allow them the chance to become active again 
(at-least 1 PMC member cited this specific reason to stay on, On the flip side, 
we do have 1 PPMC member, 1 inactive mentor  who chose to step down and are not 
part of this list).

On the issue of the "person who has been recently added", if this is a mentor, 
we needed additional mentors, we began a VOTE, but did not follow through, 
since one of the other mentors suggested apache processes did not require it. 
Happy to follow up on private@, if thats deemed more appropriate.

On the committers, 

 - Of the top 15 contributors [1], 10 of them are already committers. (Not to 
say this is the only metric). We have a well-documented criteria [2] 
 - We are and will be glad to offer committership to strong contributors. PPMC 
sends out appreciation emails to such contributors showing strong trajectory 
and we have such a healthy pipeline working towards committership.

We will get the logos/download page link fixed.

On the 3rd party branding issues cited, both of them are pre-incubation 
references to the project when hosted on Uber's github account. One of them is 
a Spark summit talk delivered by 2 current PMC members (incl me) and 
ondataengineering.net looks like a 3rd party writing a tech summary on the then 
Uber OSS project.  Since then, Uber has done due process to transfer ownership 
to the ASF (blog here [3]). Since we incubated, we have consistently used 
Apache branding in any/all external materials. Please let us know if we are 
missing something. 

Thanks
Vinoth


[1] 
https://github.com/apache/incubator-hudi/graphs/contributors?from=2016-12-11=2020-05-12=a
[2] https://hudi.apache.org/community.html#become-a-committer
[3] https://eng.uber.com/apache-hudi/


On 2020/05/12 10:50:06, leesf  wrote: 
> +1 to graduate Hudi, it is a nice community and deserve graduating.
> 
> Justin Mclean  于2020年5月12日周二 上午11:58写道：
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > > Why having inactive PMC members is not a big deal now?  What's the point
> > of
> > > keeping them if they r inactive and do nothing or have no interest in the
> > > project?
> >
> > At some point in the future that may become active again or they may plan
> > to be more active in the near future. Having a few extra people on the PMC
> > doesn’t hurt a project if they are inactive.
> >
> > > There is an inactive IPMC member on the proposed PMC - who didn't
> > > have time, or bandwidth to help in any way on the project but yet chose
> > to
> > > be part of and expressed his intent to be on the proposed PMC.
> >
> > I would suggest the project discusses it with them.
> >
> > BTW I also agree Mentors shouldn't automatically become part of the new
> > PMC if they did not help.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
> 

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hudi (Incubating) as a TLP

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> Why having inactive PMC members is not a big deal now?  What's the point of
> keeping them if they r inactive and do nothing or have no interest in the
> project?

At some point in the future that may become active again or they may plan to be 
more active in the near future. Having a few extra people on the PMC doesn’t 
hurt a project if they are inactive.

> There is an inactive IPMC member on the proposed PMC - who didn't
> have time, or bandwidth to help in any way on the project but yet chose to
> be part of and expressed his intent to be on the proposed PMC.

I would suggest the project discusses it with them.

BTW I also agree Mentors shouldn't automatically become part of the new PMC if 
they did not help.

Thanks,
Justin

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hudi (Incubating) as a TLP

[Suneel Marthi]

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 11:10 PM Justin Mclean 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> One thing I think may need some explanation. I notice a person who has
> been recently added (not voted) to the project is part of the proposed PMC.
> As far as I can tell they have had no involvement in the project. I can see
> a couple of other PMC members who has also had no noticeable involvement in
> the project. Now having inactive PMC members is not a big deal, but I
> curious why these people are on the proposed PMC list.
>

Why having inactive PMC members is not a big deal now?  What's the point of
keeping them if they r inactive and do nothing or have no interest in the
project?  There is an inactive IPMC member on the proposed PMC - who didn't
have time, or bandwidth to help in any way on the project but yet chose to
be part of and expressed his intent to be on the proposed PMC.  Mind you
there was no merit earned here, the fact that one is an IPMC member lets u
be a mentor - and then a free ride to be part of PMC without performing the
mentor's role.

Not trying to challenge your statement here - but just trying to understand
as to how having inactive/disinterested PMC members is not a big deal ?


> Some other very minor things:
> - it seems a little odd that you have 90+ contributors but have only
> invited 5 committers. Looks like a few have made sizeable contributions as
> well.
> - links on download page need fixing (https://www.apache.org/dist/ has
> been deprecated)
> - logos of other companies on front page
> - There exists some 3rd party branding issues e.g [1][2] Were you aware of
> these?
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
> 1.
> https://databricks.com/session/hudi-near-real-time-spark-pipelines-at-petabyte-scale
> 2. https://ondataengineering.net/technologies/hudi/
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hudi (Incubating) as a TLP

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

One thing I think may need some explanation. I notice a person who has been 
recently added (not voted) to the project is part of the proposed PMC. As far 
as I can tell they have had no involvement in the project. I can see a couple 
of other PMC members who has also had no noticeable involvement in the project. 
Now having inactive PMC members is not a big deal, but I curious why these 
people are on the proposed PMC list.

Some other very minor things:
- it seems a little odd that you have 90+ contributors but have only invited 5 
committers. Looks like a few have made sizeable contributions as well.
- links on download page need fixing (https://www.apache.org/dist/ has been 
deprecated)
- logos of other companies on front page
- There exists some 3rd party branding issues e.g [1][2] Were you aware of 
these?

Thanks,
Justin

1. 
https://databricks.com/session/hudi-near-real-time-spark-pipelines-at-petabyte-scale
2. https://ondataengineering.net/technologies/hudi/
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hudi (Incubating) as a TLP

[lamberken]

Apache Hudi is a great project and the community is very nice.

On 2020/05/11 18:58:44, Vinoth Chandar  wrote: 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> Apache Hudi (Incubating) entered the incubator in Jan 2019, the community
> has grown vibrantly since, with all the design, development happening on
> the Apache infrastructure, the "Apache way".
> 
> To list a few of the community's achievements,
> 
> - Accepted > 500 patches from 90 contributors, including 15+ new  design
> proposals
> - Performed 3 releases with 3 different release managers [5]
> - Invited 5 new committers (all of them accepted)
> - invited 3 of those new committers to join the PMC (all of them accepted)
> - Migrated our web site to ASF infrastructure [1]
> - Migrated developer conversations to the list at d...@hudi.apache.org
> - Migrated all issue tracking to JIRA [2]
> - Apache Hudi name search has been approved [3]
> - Assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix [4]
> - We have built a meritocratic, open collaborative process, the Apache way
> - Our proposed PMC is diverse and consists of members from ~10 organizations
> 
> We discussed our readiness for graduation as a community [6] and voted
> unanimously in favor [7] (results summarized in [8]).
> We have collaborated on a resolution for graduation, including PMC
> membership and PMC chair. Please refer to the draft resolution below and
> provide any comments, feedback.
> The discussion will remain open for at least 72 hours.
> 
> 
> [1] https://hudi.apache.org
> 
> [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/HUDI/
> 
> [3] https://jira.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-162
> 
> [4]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HUDI/Apache+Hudi+Maturity+Matrix
> 
> 
> [5] https://hudi.apache.org/releases.html
> [6]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rc98303d9f09665af90ab517ea0baeb7c374e9a5478d8424311e285cd%40%3Cdev.hudi.apache.org%3E
> [7]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rc19cedf6bb423cfc24efea27d8952a2224370a7679bab74d05de19b2%40%3Cdev.hudi.apache.org%3E
> [8]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r7b5c169c1bc3a1acaa35f43ff5388f5fc8b60746d423043464fcf5df%40%3Cdev.hudi.apache.org%3E
> 
> Establish the Apache Hudi Project
> 
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the
> Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a
> Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public, related
> to providing atomic upserts and incremental data streams on Big Data.
> 
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC),
> to be known as the "Apache Hudi Project", be and hereby is established
> pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
> 
> RESOLVED, that the Apache Hudi Project be and hereby is responsible for the
> creation and maintenance of software related to providing atomic upserts
> and incremental data streams on Big Data; and be it further
> 
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Hudi" be and hereby is
> created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of the
> Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Hudi Project, and to have
> primary responsibility for management of the projects within the scope of
> responsibility of the Apache Hudi Project; and be it further
> 
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are 
> appointed
> to serve as the initial members of the Apache Hudi Project:
> 
>  * Anbu Cheeralan   
> 
>  * Balaji Varadarajan
> 
>  * Bhavani Sudha Saktheeswaran   
> 
>  * Luciano Resende 
> 
>  * Nishith Agarwal
> 
>  * Prasanna Rajaperumal
> 
>  * Shaofeng Li   
> 
>  * Steve Blackmon  
> 
>  * Suneel Marthi  
> 
>  * Thomas Weise
> 
>  * Vino Yang   
> 
>  * Vinoth Chandar
> 
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Vinoth Chandar be appointed to
> the office of Vice President, Apache Hudi, to serve in accordance with and
> subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the
> Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal of
> disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and
> 
> be it further
> 
> RESOLVED, that the Apache Hudi Project be and hereby is tasked with the
> migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator Hudi podling; and
> 
> be it further
> 
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator Hudi
> podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator PMC are hereafter discharged.
> 

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