Re: [DISCUSSION] Apache DataFu podling graduation

[Matthew Hayes]

Hi John,

Regarding the events you listed:

- Podling discusses graduation.


 Done.  See here

.

- Podling drafts a charter (whimsy more or less generates this for you
> these days)


The charter is in the graduation resolution right?  DataFu's graduation
resolution is here
.

- Podling calls for a vote & at the same time podling notifies IPMC about
> that vote


Vote started yesterday.  See here

.

- Podling members start a discussion on general@incu about the graduation.


Done, as this is the current discussion thread about graduation.  I opened
the discussion before voting because DataFu had already voted once before

the
most recent vote and there was feedback in the discussion that followed. I
wanted to collect all feedback from the general list before starting
another vote so those issues could be addressed first.  Hopefully this was
okay.

- Calls for a vote (usually, the discussions go 72 hrs - 1 week, depending
> on how lively they are)


Waiting for current vote.

I see a few disconnects between your status page and whimsy roster.  Can
> you double check that everything lines up?  If people are not going to be
> included in the new TLP, I would recommend removing them from whimsy; this
> will save some work.  Any reason you are losing members when graduating?


I've updated the Whimsy roster to match the proposed PMC members in the
graduation proposal.  Most people are continuing on to PMC.  We are only
losing a few, for different reasons.

I see a few disconnects between your status page and whimsy roster.  Can
> you double check that everything lines up?


Can you specify what disconnects you see?  Under Mentors on the roster page
 I see Jakob is not listed
but he is listed on the status page
.  The Licensing section
on the roster page lists that there have been no software grant and IP
clearance and no releases, which isn't true.  How does the roster get
updated?  Otherwise I'm not sure what disconnects there are.

-Matt

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 7:12 PM, John D. Ament  wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 6:23 PM Matthew Hayes <
> matthew.terence.ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Given that it has been a few days and I've only seen positive feedback so
> > far, I have opened a new vote for graduation in the datafu dev
> >  list.
> I
> > will open a new vote here when this vote passes.
> >
> >
> Matt,
>
> The typical order of events is:
>
> - Podling discusses graduation.
> - Podling drafts a charter (whimsy more or less generates this for you
> these days)
> - Podling calls for a vote & at the same time podling notifies IPMC about
> that vote
> - Podling members start a discussion on general@incu about the graduation.
> - Calls for a vote (usually, the discussions go 72 hrs - 1 week, depending
> on how lively they are)
>
> I see a few disconnects between your status page and whimsy roster.  Can
> you double check that everything lines up?  If people are not going to be
> included in the new TLP, I would recommend removing them from whimsy; this
> will save some work.  Any reason you are losing members when graduating?
>
> The IPMC (specifically, the graduating podlings) have received consistent
> feedback from the board regarding ASF members being present on newly formed
> TLPs.  I believe you will not have that issue with both Roman & Jarek on
> the proposed PMC.
>
> John
>
>
> > -Matt
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 3:57 PM, Jakob Homan  wrote:
> >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > On 29 January 2018 at 15:49, Matthew Hayes  wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I would like to reopen the discussion regarding Apache DataFu's
> > > graduation
> > > > from incubator.  In the community vote
> > > >  > > dev/201708.mbox/%3CCAA4Vo8CNf0sVw0veP2GdV9VN%
> > > 3DaP5-Q8kstgY%2B0xM48kNuJMFWw%40mail.gmail.com%3E>
> > > >  there was consensus to graduate to TLP status.  Here is my email
> that
> > > > kicked off the previous discussion:
> > > >
> > > > https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-
> > > general/201710.mbox/%3CCAA4Vo8DuQH2KkQ82bOm4Aj8GyoH
> > > s8hoauywco2mutibwgwx...@mail.gmail.com%3E
> > > >
> > > > There were several pieces of feedback from that discussion that
> should
> > > all
> > > > be addressed as of now.
> > > >
> > > > * Comments about number of committers vs. proposed PMC size (her

Re: [DISCUSSION] Apache DataFu podling graduation

[John D. Ament]

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 6:23 PM Matthew Hayes <
matthew.terence.ha...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Given that it has been a few days and I've only seen positive feedback so
> far, I have opened a new vote for graduation in the datafu dev
>  list.  I
> will open a new vote here when this vote passes.
>
>
Matt,

The typical order of events is:

- Podling discusses graduation.
- Podling drafts a charter (whimsy more or less generates this for you
these days)
- Podling calls for a vote & at the same time podling notifies IPMC about
that vote
- Podling members start a discussion on general@incu about the graduation.
- Calls for a vote (usually, the discussions go 72 hrs - 1 week, depending
on how lively they are)

I see a few disconnects between your status page and whimsy roster.  Can
you double check that everything lines up?  If people are not going to be
included in the new TLP, I would recommend removing them from whimsy; this
will save some work.  Any reason you are losing members when graduating?

The IPMC (specifically, the graduating podlings) have received consistent
feedback from the board regarding ASF members being present on newly formed
TLPs.  I believe you will not have that issue with both Roman & Jarek on
the proposed PMC.

John


> -Matt
>
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 3:57 PM, Jakob Homan  wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> > On 29 January 2018 at 15:49, Matthew Hayes  wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I would like to reopen the discussion regarding Apache DataFu's
> > graduation
> > > from incubator.  In the community vote
> > >  > dev/201708.mbox/%3CCAA4Vo8CNf0sVw0veP2GdV9VN%
> > 3DaP5-Q8kstgY%2B0xM48kNuJMFWw%40mail.gmail.com%3E>
> > >  there was consensus to graduate to TLP status.  Here is my email that
> > > kicked off the previous discussion:
> > >
> > > https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-
> > general/201710.mbox/%3CCAA4Vo8DuQH2KkQ82bOm4Aj8GyoH
> > s8hoauywco2mutibwgwx...@mail.gmail.com%3E
> > >
> > > There were several pieces of feedback from that discussion that should
> > all
> > > be addressed as of now.
> > >
> > > * Comments about number of committers vs. proposed PMC size (here
> > >  > general/201710.mbox/%3Cop.y7jw80af4ntv07@desktop-v42f38k%3E>
> > > and
> > > here
> > >  > general/201710.mbox/%3CCAOqetn_tXYM0MgZ_QUJg9xDiWUr2_
> > vg5msde96fmvbubqri...@mail.gmail.com%3E>
> > > )
> > > * Comments about process for removing committers (here
> > >  > general/201710.mbox/%3CCAFAMeYLxX5VD-t7Z4MQkKQ6y_
> > m8bedu975tjsubay7b5qvu...@mail.gmail.com%3E>
> > > and
> > > here
> > >  > general/201710.mbox/%3CCAFAMeY+nwEV7evK12dsjVMXt5o3OFGen9PAnf
> > UhRvQ=4vre...@mail.gmail.com%3E>
> > > )
> > > * Comments about the website, sha-512 extension, etc. (here
> > >  > general/201710.mbox/%3CCAOGo0VZN4mLw-eS-Oz8W1hVhS70Y_
> > bwwikjjri9sx3n0s8s...@mail.gmail.com%3E>
> > > ).  DATAFU-131  was
> > filed
> > > to address these.
> > >
> > > To summarize what has happened since the last discussion:
> > >
> > > * Each committer was reached out to and asked whether they were willing
> > to
> > > join the PMC and fulfill the responsibilities that come with it.  The
> > > graduation
> > > resolution
> > >  > Graduation+Resolution> has
> > > been updated to reflect those who were willing to join the PMC.  The
> > > remainder declined to remain committers.  The proposed PMC size is now
> 11
> > > out of 14 current committers.
> > > * The Becoming a Committer
> > > <
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DATAFU/Becoming+a+Committer>
> > page
> > > no longer has a section about removing committers.
> > > * All the issues that were raised and led to DATAFU-131 being filed
> have
> > > been addressed.  A summary:
> > > - The Quick Start page has been replaced with a Download page
> > > .  The list of
> > > source releases is prominent at the top and there is a section
> describing
> > > how to validate releases.
> > > - Links to ASF website, license, thanks, apache feather, etc. were
> > added
> > > - Links have been updated to reflect recent 1.3.3 release.
> > > - Old releases have been cleaned up from
> > >
> > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/datafu and
> > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/datafu.
> > >
> > > - DataFu Whimsy 
> > page is
> > > now mostly passing aside from Image and Events (not clear if these are
> > > expected to pass).
> > >
> > > - SH

Re: [DISCUSSION] Apache DataFu podling graduation

[Matthew Hayes]

Given that it has been a few days and I've only seen positive feedback so
far, I have opened a new vote for graduation in the datafu dev
 list.  I
will open a new vote here when this vote passes.

-Matt

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 3:57 PM, Jakob Homan  wrote:

> +1
>
> On 29 January 2018 at 15:49, Matthew Hayes  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I would like to reopen the discussion regarding Apache DataFu's
> graduation
> > from incubator.  In the community vote
> >  dev/201708.mbox/%3CCAA4Vo8CNf0sVw0veP2GdV9VN%
> 3DaP5-Q8kstgY%2B0xM48kNuJMFWw%40mail.gmail.com%3E>
> >  there was consensus to graduate to TLP status.  Here is my email that
> > kicked off the previous discussion:
> >
> > https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-
> general/201710.mbox/%3CCAA4Vo8DuQH2KkQ82bOm4Aj8GyoH
> s8hoauywco2mutibwgwx...@mail.gmail.com%3E
> >
> > There were several pieces of feedback from that discussion that should
> all
> > be addressed as of now.
> >
> > * Comments about number of committers vs. proposed PMC size (here
> >  general/201710.mbox/%3Cop.y7jw80af4ntv07@desktop-v42f38k%3E>
> > and
> > here
> >  general/201710.mbox/%3CCAOqetn_tXYM0MgZ_QUJg9xDiWUr2_
> vg5msde96fmvbubqri...@mail.gmail.com%3E>
> > )
> > * Comments about process for removing committers (here
> >  general/201710.mbox/%3CCAFAMeYLxX5VD-t7Z4MQkKQ6y_
> m8bedu975tjsubay7b5qvu...@mail.gmail.com%3E>
> > and
> > here
> >  general/201710.mbox/%3CCAFAMeY+nwEV7evK12dsjVMXt5o3OFGen9PAnf
> UhRvQ=4vre...@mail.gmail.com%3E>
> > )
> > * Comments about the website, sha-512 extension, etc. (here
> >  general/201710.mbox/%3CCAOGo0VZN4mLw-eS-Oz8W1hVhS70Y_
> bwwikjjri9sx3n0s8s...@mail.gmail.com%3E>
> > ).  DATAFU-131  was
> filed
> > to address these.
> >
> > To summarize what has happened since the last discussion:
> >
> > * Each committer was reached out to and asked whether they were willing
> to
> > join the PMC and fulfill the responsibilities that come with it.  The
> > graduation
> > resolution
> >  Graduation+Resolution> has
> > been updated to reflect those who were willing to join the PMC.  The
> > remainder declined to remain committers.  The proposed PMC size is now 11
> > out of 14 current committers.
> > * The Becoming a Committer
> > 
> page
> > no longer has a section about removing committers.
> > * All the issues that were raised and led to DATAFU-131 being filed have
> > been addressed.  A summary:
> > - The Quick Start page has been replaced with a Download page
> > .  The list of
> > source releases is prominent at the top and there is a section describing
> > how to validate releases.
> > - Links to ASF website, license, thanks, apache feather, etc. were
> added
> > - Links have been updated to reflect recent 1.3.3 release.
> > - Old releases have been cleaned up from
> >
> > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/datafu and
> > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/datafu.
> >
> > - DataFu Whimsy 
> page is
> > now mostly passing aside from Image and Events (not clear if these are
> > expected to pass).
> >
> > - SHA-512 checksum file now ends in .sha512
> >
> > Below is the original discussion email with updated stats and updated
> > graduation resolution.
> >
> > Apache DataFu began incubating Jan 5th, 2014.  Since then we have made 4
> > releases and added 4 committers.  The Apache DataFu website
> >  includes documentation such as a
> > getting started page and guides for various methods.
> >
> > Project status:
> > http://incubator.apache.org/projects/datafu.html
> >
> > Project website:
> > http://datafu.incubator.apache.org/
> >
> > JIRA:
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/DATAFU
> >
> > Maturity Evaluation:
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DATAFU/
> Maturity+Evaluation
> >
> > A draft of the board resolution can be found at the bottom of this email.
> >
> > Proposed PMC size: 11
> > Current number of committers: 14
> > Proposed number of committers: 11
> >
> > PMC affiliation (* indicates chair):
> >
> > Data Syndrome:
> >   - Russell Jurney
> >
> > Hortonworks:
> >   - Casey Stella
> >
> > LinkedIn:
> >   - William Vaughan
> >
> > Passage AI:
> >   - Mitul Tiwari
> >
> > Paypal:
> >   - Eyal Allweil
> >
> > SkipFlag:
> >   - (*) Matthew Hayes
> > - S

Re: [DISCUSSION] Apache DataFu podling graduation

[Jakob Homan]

+1

On 29 January 2018 at 15:49, Matthew Hayes  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to reopen the discussion regarding Apache DataFu's graduation
> from incubator.  In the community vote
> 
>  there was consensus to graduate to TLP status.  Here is my email that
> kicked off the previous discussion:
>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201710.mbox/%3ccaa4vo8duqh2kkq82bom4aj8gyohs8hoauywco2mutibwgwx...@mail.gmail.com%3E
>
> There were several pieces of feedback from that discussion that should all
> be addressed as of now.
>
> * Comments about number of committers vs. proposed PMC size (here
> 
> and
> here
> 
> )
> * Comments about process for removing committers (here
> 
> and
> here
> 
> )
> * Comments about the website, sha-512 extension, etc. (here
> 
> ).  DATAFU-131  was filed
> to address these.
>
> To summarize what has happened since the last discussion:
>
> * Each committer was reached out to and asked whether they were willing to
> join the PMC and fulfill the responsibilities that come with it.  The
> graduation
> resolution
>  has
> been updated to reflect those who were willing to join the PMC.  The
> remainder declined to remain committers.  The proposed PMC size is now 11
> out of 14 current committers.
> * The Becoming a Committer
>  page
> no longer has a section about removing committers.
> * All the issues that were raised and led to DATAFU-131 being filed have
> been addressed.  A summary:
> - The Quick Start page has been replaced with a Download page
> .  The list of
> source releases is prominent at the top and there is a section describing
> how to validate releases.
> - Links to ASF website, license, thanks, apache feather, etc. were added
> - Links have been updated to reflect recent 1.3.3 release.
> - Old releases have been cleaned up from
>
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/datafu and
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/datafu.
>
> - DataFu Whimsy  page is
> now mostly passing aside from Image and Events (not clear if these are
> expected to pass).
>
> - SHA-512 checksum file now ends in .sha512
>
> Below is the original discussion email with updated stats and updated
> graduation resolution.
>
> Apache DataFu began incubating Jan 5th, 2014.  Since then we have made 4
> releases and added 4 committers.  The Apache DataFu website
>  includes documentation such as a
> getting started page and guides for various methods.
>
> Project status:
> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/datafu.html
>
> Project website:
> http://datafu.incubator.apache.org/
>
> JIRA:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/DATAFU
>
> Maturity Evaluation:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DATAFU/Maturity+Evaluation
>
> A draft of the board resolution can be found at the bottom of this email.
>
> Proposed PMC size: 11
> Current number of committers: 14
> Proposed number of committers: 11
>
> PMC affiliation (* indicates chair):
>
> Data Syndrome:
>   - Russell Jurney
>
> Hortonworks:
>   - Casey Stella
>
> LinkedIn:
>   - William Vaughan
>
> Passage AI:
>   - Mitul Tiwari
>
> Paypal:
>   - Eyal Allweil
>
> SkipFlag:
>   - (*) Matthew Hayes
> - Sam Shah
>
> Slack:
>   - Josh Wills
>
> StreamSets Inc.
>   - Jarek Jarcec Cecho
>
> Uber:
>   - Evion Kim
>
> Other:
>   - Roman Shaposhnik
>
> Here are some project statistics since entering graduation on Jan 5th, 2014:
>
> - 151 commits
> - 4 releases
> - 21 unique contributors
> - 4 committers added
> - 136 issues created
> - 100 issues closed
>
> Resolution:
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>
> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>
> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>
> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of

Re: [DISCUSSION] Apache DataFu podling graduation

[Eyal Allweil]

Thanks sebb. I've opened the following Jira issue to track what we need to do 
with the web site. If you (or anyone) has more comments, and want to add them 
there, we'll try to take care of all of them.

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DATAFU-131

Regards,Eyal

Re: [DISCUSSION] Apache DataFu podling graduation

[sebb]

On 3 October 2017 at 21:45, Matthew Hayes  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to kick off a discussion regarding Apache DataFu's graduation
> from incubator.  In the community vote
> 
> there was consensus to graduate to TLP status.
>
> Apache DataFu began incubating Jan 5th, 2014.  Since then we have made 3
> releases and added 4 committers.  The Apache DataFu website
>  includes documentation such as a
> getting started page and guides for various methods.
>
> Project status:
> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/datafu.html
>
> Project website:
> http://datafu.incubator.apache.org/

The site does not have all the requirements:

https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#navigation

There's no link to the main ASF website.
There's no LICENSE or Thanks link.
There's no download link.
etc.

The quick start guide pages do have download links, but the primary
link is to Maven rather than the ASF, and there are no instructions as
to how to check sigs or hashes, and no link to the KEYS file that I
could find.

The SHA-512 checksum must have the extension .sha512

http://www.apache.org/dev/release-distribution.html#sigs-and-sums

Also the latest release appears to be 1.3.2 (dated Feb 2017) but the
download links point to 1.3.1.

The older releases (1.3.1 and 1.3.0) should have been deleted from the
release/dist directory by now.

There's no Apache feather logo which is often used as the link to the
main ASF site.

> JIRA:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/DATAFU
>
> Maturity Evaluation:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DATAFU/Maturity+Evaluation
>
> A draft of the board resolution can be found at the bottom of this email.
>
> Proposed PMC size: 4
> Total number of committers: 14
>
> PMC affiliation (* indicates chair):
>
> Paypal:
>   - Eyal Allweil
>
> Pivotal:
> - Roman Shaposhnik
>
> SkipFlag:
>   - (*) Matthew Hayes
> - Sam Shah
>
> Here are some project statistics since entering graduation on Jan 5th, 2014:
>
> - 131 commits
> - 3 releases
> - 21 unique contributors
> - 4 committers added
> - 130 issues created
> - 82 issues closed
>
> Resolution:
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>
> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>
> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>
> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>
> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the
>
> public, consisting of well-tested libraries that help developers
>
> solve common data problems in Hadoop and similar distributed
>
> systems.
>
>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>
> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DataFu Project",
>
> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>
> Foundation; and be it further
>
>
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DataFu Project be and hereby is
>
> responsible for the creation and maintenance of libraries that
>
>  help solve common data problems and work with large-scale data
>
> in Hadoop and similar distributed systems; and be it further RESOLVED,
>
> that the office of Vice President, Apache DataFu" be and hereby
>
> is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction
>
> of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache DataFu Project,
>
> and to have primary responsibility for management of the projects
>
> within the scope of responsibility of the Apache DataFu Project; and be
>
> it further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>
> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>
> Apache DataFu Project:
>
>- Eyal Allweil eyal at apache dot org
>- Matthew Hayes mhayes at apache dot org
>- Roman Shaposhnik rvs at apache dot org
>- Sam Shah samshah at apache dot org
>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Matthew Hayes
>
> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DataFu, to
>
> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>
> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>
> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>
> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>
>
>
> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DataFu PMC be and hereby is
>
> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>
> encourage open development and increased participation in the
>
> Apache DataFu Project; and be it further
>
>
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DataFu Project be and hereby
>
> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>
> Incubator DataFu podling; and be it further
>
>
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>
> Incubator DataFu podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>
> Project are hereafter discharged.

-

Re: [DISCUSSION] Apache DataFu podling graduation

[John D. Ament]

So, are we really saying that we have a case for a graduation with only 4
PMC members?  Ideally we want to see committers == (P)PMC, but even then 5
PMC members is really considered the bare minimum.

I'm not sure committers really matter, since the board resolutions only
ever talk about PMC members.

John

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 7:28 PM Mike Drob  wrote:

> I would go through the list of committers once (i.e. now, nearing
> graduation) and ask folks if they would like to remain committers
> post-graduation. If anybody responds in the negative or doesn't respond at
> all, then remove them from the list and move on. I think this is your one
> chance to shorten the list.
>
> Going forward, I would either remove that section entirely, or reword it to
> facilitate rejoining more easily. You can do this by adding language for an
> "emeritus committer" status or something similar, or by adding instructions
> for returning folks on what they need to do, and it should be relatively
> frictionless, or some other way I haven't thought of. Please don't make
> this a process that involves filing INFRA jiras. :)
>
> Mike
>
> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 5:43 PM, Matthew Hayes <
> matthew.terence.ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Regarding Raphael's comment:
> >
> > You have 14 Committers, but only 4 for the proposed PMC?
> >
> >
> > The project began incubation with 10 committers.  If I recall correctly,
> > the proposed list of committers was drawn largely from contributors in
> the
> > git commit history in order to be inclusive and give them a chance to
> > continue contributing as committers.  Some of these people are not
> actively
> > involved at this time.  The list of committers has so far not been
> reduced
> > in size.  4 additional committers were later added, bringing the total to
> > 14.  The 4 proposed PMC members were committers who volunteered when
> asked
> > who was willing to commit time to be on PMC.
> >
> > Regarding Mike's comment:
> >
> > >
> > > I have concern about the DataFu process of removing committers due to
> > > inactivity, as outlined on this wiki page -
> > >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DATAFU/Becoming+a+Committer
> >
> > How often has this process been used?
> >
> >
> > This process hasn't been used so far.  This page was created earlier this
> > year as we were going through the maturity evaluation.  This was largely
> > based on Fineract's wiki page
> > <
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FINERACT/Becoming+a+Committer
> > >
> > on the same subject, which seemed well written.  For the Apache DataFu
> page
> > we increased the time frame from 6 months to 1 year actually.  For myself
> > at least and probably others on the project the concept of "merit is
> > considered to never expire" is shared.  Do you think we should add a
> bullet
> > point to the page that if someone were removed from the committer list
> that
> > their past contributions would be considered if they expressed interest
> in
> > joining again?  If so I can propose that we update the page with this
> > language.
> >
> > -Matt
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Mike Drob  wrote:
> >
> > > I have concern about the DataFu process of removing committers due to
> > > inactivity, as outlined on this wiki page -
> > >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DATAFU/Becoming+a+Committer
> > >
> > > How often has this process been used?
> > >
> > > At many Apache projects, merit is considered to never expire.
> > Circumstances
> > > can pull people away from projects for a period of time, I would hope
> > that
> > > if somebody is able to return they are warmly welcomed back.
> > >
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 4:13 PM, Raphael Bircher <
> > rbircherapa...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Matthew
> > > >
> > > > You have 14 Committers, but only 4 for the proposed PMC?
> > > >
> > > > Regards Raphael
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Am .10.2017, 22:45 Uhr, schrieb Matthew Hayes :
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >>
> > > >> I would like to kick off a discussion regarding Apache DataFu's
> > > graduation
> > > >> from incubator.  In the community vote
> > > >>  > > >> ev/201708.mbox/%3CCAA4Vo8CNf0sVw0veP2GdV9VN%3DaP5-Q8kstgY%
> > > >> 2B0xM48kNuJMFWw%40mail.gmail.com%3E>
> > > >> there was consensus to graduate to TLP status.
> > > >>
> > > >> Apache DataFu began incubating Jan 5th, 2014.  Since then we have
> > made 3
> > > >> releases and added 4 committers.  The Apache DataFu website
> > > >>  includes documentation such
> as
> > a
> > > >> getting started page and guides for various methods.
> > > >>
> > > >> Project status:
> > > >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/datafu.html
> > > >>
> > > >> Project website:
> > > >> http://datafu.incubator.apache.org/
> > > >>
> > > >> JIRA:
> > > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/DATAFU
> > > >>
> > > >> Maturi

Re: [DISCUSSION] Apache DataFu podling graduation

[Mike Drob]

I would go through the list of committers once (i.e. now, nearing
graduation) and ask folks if they would like to remain committers
post-graduation. If anybody responds in the negative or doesn't respond at
all, then remove them from the list and move on. I think this is your one
chance to shorten the list.

Going forward, I would either remove that section entirely, or reword it to
facilitate rejoining more easily. You can do this by adding language for an
"emeritus committer" status or something similar, or by adding instructions
for returning folks on what they need to do, and it should be relatively
frictionless, or some other way I haven't thought of. Please don't make
this a process that involves filing INFRA jiras. :)

Mike

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 5:43 PM, Matthew Hayes <
matthew.terence.ha...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Regarding Raphael's comment:
>
> You have 14 Committers, but only 4 for the proposed PMC?
>
>
> The project began incubation with 10 committers.  If I recall correctly,
> the proposed list of committers was drawn largely from contributors in the
> git commit history in order to be inclusive and give them a chance to
> continue contributing as committers.  Some of these people are not actively
> involved at this time.  The list of committers has so far not been reduced
> in size.  4 additional committers were later added, bringing the total to
> 14.  The 4 proposed PMC members were committers who volunteered when asked
> who was willing to commit time to be on PMC.
>
> Regarding Mike's comment:
>
> >
> > I have concern about the DataFu process of removing committers due to
> > inactivity, as outlined on this wiki page -
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DATAFU/Becoming+a+Committer
>
> How often has this process been used?
>
>
> This process hasn't been used so far.  This page was created earlier this
> year as we were going through the maturity evaluation.  This was largely
> based on Fineract's wiki page
>  >
> on the same subject, which seemed well written.  For the Apache DataFu page
> we increased the time frame from 6 months to 1 year actually.  For myself
> at least and probably others on the project the concept of "merit is
> considered to never expire" is shared.  Do you think we should add a bullet
> point to the page that if someone were removed from the committer list that
> their past contributions would be considered if they expressed interest in
> joining again?  If so I can propose that we update the page with this
> language.
>
> -Matt
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Mike Drob  wrote:
>
> > I have concern about the DataFu process of removing committers due to
> > inactivity, as outlined on this wiki page -
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DATAFU/Becoming+a+Committer
> >
> > How often has this process been used?
> >
> > At many Apache projects, merit is considered to never expire.
> Circumstances
> > can pull people away from projects for a period of time, I would hope
> that
> > if somebody is able to return they are warmly welcomed back.
> >
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 4:13 PM, Raphael Bircher <
> rbircherapa...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Matthew
> > >
> > > You have 14 Committers, but only 4 for the proposed PMC?
> > >
> > > Regards Raphael
> > >
> > >
> > > Am .10.2017, 22:45 Uhr, schrieb Matthew Hayes :
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >>
> > >> I would like to kick off a discussion regarding Apache DataFu's
> > graduation
> > >> from incubator.  In the community vote
> > >>  > >> ev/201708.mbox/%3CCAA4Vo8CNf0sVw0veP2GdV9VN%3DaP5-Q8kstgY%
> > >> 2B0xM48kNuJMFWw%40mail.gmail.com%3E>
> > >> there was consensus to graduate to TLP status.
> > >>
> > >> Apache DataFu began incubating Jan 5th, 2014.  Since then we have
> made 3
> > >> releases and added 4 committers.  The Apache DataFu website
> > >>  includes documentation such as
> a
> > >> getting started page and guides for various methods.
> > >>
> > >> Project status:
> > >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/datafu.html
> > >>
> > >> Project website:
> > >> http://datafu.incubator.apache.org/
> > >>
> > >> JIRA:
> > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/DATAFU
> > >>
> > >> Maturity Evaluation:
> > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DATAFU/Maturity+
> > >> Evaluation
> > >>
> > >> A draft of the board resolution can be found at the bottom of this
> > email.
> > >>
> > >> Proposed PMC size: 4
> > >> Total number of committers: 14
> > >>
> > >> PMC affiliation (* indicates chair):
> > >>
> > >> Paypal:
> > >>   - Eyal Allweil
> > >>
> > >> Pivotal:
> > >> - Roman Shaposhnik
> > >>
> > >> SkipFlag:
> > >>   - (*) Matthew Hayes
> > >> - Sam Shah
> > >>
> > >> Here are some project statistics since entering graduation on Jan 5th,
> > >> 2014:
> > >>
> > >> - 131 commits
>

Re: [DISCUSSION] Apache DataFu podling graduation

[Matthew Hayes]

Regarding Raphael's comment:

You have 14 Committers, but only 4 for the proposed PMC?


The project began incubation with 10 committers.  If I recall correctly,
the proposed list of committers was drawn largely from contributors in the
git commit history in order to be inclusive and give them a chance to
continue contributing as committers.  Some of these people are not actively
involved at this time.  The list of committers has so far not been reduced
in size.  4 additional committers were later added, bringing the total to
14.  The 4 proposed PMC members were committers who volunteered when asked
who was willing to commit time to be on PMC.

Regarding Mike's comment:

>
> I have concern about the DataFu process of removing committers due to
> inactivity, as outlined on this wiki page -
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DATAFU/Becoming+a+Committer

How often has this process been used?


This process hasn't been used so far.  This page was created earlier this
year as we were going through the maturity evaluation.  This was largely
based on Fineract's wiki page

on the same subject, which seemed well written.  For the Apache DataFu page
we increased the time frame from 6 months to 1 year actually.  For myself
at least and probably others on the project the concept of "merit is
considered to never expire" is shared.  Do you think we should add a bullet
point to the page that if someone were removed from the committer list that
their past contributions would be considered if they expressed interest in
joining again?  If so I can propose that we update the page with this
language.

-Matt



On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Mike Drob  wrote:

> I have concern about the DataFu process of removing committers due to
> inactivity, as outlined on this wiki page -
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DATAFU/Becoming+a+Committer
>
> How often has this process been used?
>
> At many Apache projects, merit is considered to never expire. Circumstances
> can pull people away from projects for a period of time, I would hope that
> if somebody is able to return they are warmly welcomed back.
>
>
> Mike
>
> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 4:13 PM, Raphael Bircher 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Matthew
> >
> > You have 14 Committers, but only 4 for the proposed PMC?
> >
> > Regards Raphael
> >
> >
> > Am .10.2017, 22:45 Uhr, schrieb Matthew Hayes :
> >
> > Hi,
> >>
> >> I would like to kick off a discussion regarding Apache DataFu's
> graduation
> >> from incubator.  In the community vote
> >>  >> ev/201708.mbox/%3CCAA4Vo8CNf0sVw0veP2GdV9VN%3DaP5-Q8kstgY%
> >> 2B0xM48kNuJMFWw%40mail.gmail.com%3E>
> >> there was consensus to graduate to TLP status.
> >>
> >> Apache DataFu began incubating Jan 5th, 2014.  Since then we have made 3
> >> releases and added 4 committers.  The Apache DataFu website
> >>  includes documentation such as a
> >> getting started page and guides for various methods.
> >>
> >> Project status:
> >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/datafu.html
> >>
> >> Project website:
> >> http://datafu.incubator.apache.org/
> >>
> >> JIRA:
> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/DATAFU
> >>
> >> Maturity Evaluation:
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DATAFU/Maturity+
> >> Evaluation
> >>
> >> A draft of the board resolution can be found at the bottom of this
> email.
> >>
> >> Proposed PMC size: 4
> >> Total number of committers: 14
> >>
> >> PMC affiliation (* indicates chair):
> >>
> >> Paypal:
> >>   - Eyal Allweil
> >>
> >> Pivotal:
> >> - Roman Shaposhnik
> >>
> >> SkipFlag:
> >>   - (*) Matthew Hayes
> >> - Sam Shah
> >>
> >> Here are some project statistics since entering graduation on Jan 5th,
> >> 2014:
> >>
> >> - 131 commits
> >> - 3 releases
> >> - 21 unique contributors
> >> - 4 committers added
> >> - 130 issues created
> >> - 82 issues closed
> >>
> >> Resolution:
> >>
> >> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> >>
> >> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> >>
> >> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> >>
> >> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> >>
> >> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the
> >>
> >> public, consisting of well-tested libraries that help developers
> >>
> >> solve common data problems in Hadoop and similar distributed
> >>
> >> systems.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> >>
> >> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DataFu Project",
> >>
> >> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> >>
> >> Foundation; and be it further
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> RESOLVED, that the Apache DataFu Project be and hereby is
> >>
> >> responsible for the creation and maintenance of libraries that
> >>
> >>  help solve common data problems and wo

Re: [DISCUSSION] Apache DataFu podling graduation

[Mike Drob]

I have concern about the DataFu process of removing committers due to
inactivity, as outlined on this wiki page -
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DATAFU/Becoming+a+Committer

How often has this process been used?

At many Apache projects, merit is considered to never expire. Circumstances
can pull people away from projects for a period of time, I would hope that
if somebody is able to return they are warmly welcomed back.


Mike

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 4:13 PM, Raphael Bircher 
wrote:

> Hi Matthew
>
> You have 14 Committers, but only 4 for the proposed PMC?
>
> Regards Raphael
>
>
> Am .10.2017, 22:45 Uhr, schrieb Matthew Hayes :
>
> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to kick off a discussion regarding Apache DataFu's graduation
>> from incubator.  In the community vote
>> > ev/201708.mbox/%3CCAA4Vo8CNf0sVw0veP2GdV9VN%3DaP5-Q8kstgY%
>> 2B0xM48kNuJMFWw%40mail.gmail.com%3E>
>> there was consensus to graduate to TLP status.
>>
>> Apache DataFu began incubating Jan 5th, 2014.  Since then we have made 3
>> releases and added 4 committers.  The Apache DataFu website
>>  includes documentation such as a
>> getting started page and guides for various methods.
>>
>> Project status:
>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/datafu.html
>>
>> Project website:
>> http://datafu.incubator.apache.org/
>>
>> JIRA:
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/DATAFU
>>
>> Maturity Evaluation:
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DATAFU/Maturity+
>> Evaluation
>>
>> A draft of the board resolution can be found at the bottom of this email.
>>
>> Proposed PMC size: 4
>> Total number of committers: 14
>>
>> PMC affiliation (* indicates chair):
>>
>> Paypal:
>>   - Eyal Allweil
>>
>> Pivotal:
>> - Roman Shaposhnik
>>
>> SkipFlag:
>>   - (*) Matthew Hayes
>> - Sam Shah
>>
>> Here are some project statistics since entering graduation on Jan 5th,
>> 2014:
>>
>> - 131 commits
>> - 3 releases
>> - 21 unique contributors
>> - 4 committers added
>> - 130 issues created
>> - 82 issues closed
>>
>> Resolution:
>>
>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>>
>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>>
>> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>>
>> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>>
>> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the
>>
>> public, consisting of well-tested libraries that help developers
>>
>> solve common data problems in Hadoop and similar distributed
>>
>> systems.
>>
>>
>>
>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>>
>> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DataFu Project",
>>
>> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>>
>> Foundation; and be it further
>>
>>
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the Apache DataFu Project be and hereby is
>>
>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of libraries that
>>
>>  help solve common data problems and work with large-scale data
>>
>> in Hadoop and similar distributed systems; and be it further RESOLVED,
>>
>> that the office of Vice President, Apache DataFu" be and hereby
>>
>> is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction
>>
>> of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache DataFu Project,
>>
>> and to have primary responsibility for management of the projects
>>
>> within the scope of responsibility of the Apache DataFu Project; and be
>>
>> it further
>>
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>>
>> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>>
>> Apache DataFu Project:
>>
>>- Eyal Allweil eyal at apache dot org
>>- Matthew Hayes mhayes at apache dot org
>>- Roman Shaposhnik rvs at apache dot org
>>- Sam Shah samshah at apache dot org
>>
>>
>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Matthew Hayes
>>
>> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DataFu, to
>>
>> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>>
>> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>>
>> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>>
>> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>>
>>
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DataFu PMC be and hereby is
>>
>> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>>
>> encourage open development and increased participation in the
>>
>> Apache DataFu Project; and be it further
>>
>>
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the Apache DataFu Project be and hereby
>>
>> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>>
>> Incubator DataFu podling; and be it further
>>
>>
>>
>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>>
>> Incubator DataFu podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>>
>> Project are hereafter discharged.
>>
>
>
> --
> My introduction https://youtu.be/Ln4vly5sxYU
>
> -

Re: [DISCUSSION] Apache DataFu podling graduation

[Raphael Bircher]

Hi Matthew

You have 14 Committers, but only 4 for the proposed PMC?

Regards Raphael

Am .10.2017, 22:45 Uhr, schrieb Matthew Hayes :


Hi,

I would like to kick off a discussion regarding Apache DataFu's  
graduation

from incubator.  In the community vote

there was consensus to graduate to TLP status.

Apache DataFu began incubating Jan 5th, 2014.  Since then we have made 3
releases and added 4 committers.  The Apache DataFu website
 includes documentation such as a
getting started page and guides for various methods.

Project status:
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/datafu.html

Project website:
http://datafu.incubator.apache.org/

JIRA:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/DATAFU

Maturity Evaluation:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DATAFU/Maturity+Evaluation

A draft of the board resolution can be found at the bottom of this email.

Proposed PMC size: 4
Total number of committers: 14

PMC affiliation (* indicates chair):

Paypal:
  - Eyal Allweil

Pivotal:
- Roman Shaposhnik

SkipFlag:
  - (*) Matthew Hayes
- Sam Shah

Here are some project statistics since entering graduation on Jan 5th,  
2014:


- 131 commits
- 3 releases
- 21 unique contributors
- 4 committers added
- 130 issues created
- 82 issues closed

Resolution:

WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best

interests of the Foundation and consistent with the

Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management

Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of

open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the

public, consisting of well-tested libraries that help developers

solve common data problems in Hadoop and similar distributed

systems.



NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management

Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DataFu Project",

be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the

Foundation; and be it further



RESOLVED, that the Apache DataFu Project be and hereby is

responsible for the creation and maintenance of libraries that

 help solve common data problems and work with large-scale data

in Hadoop and similar distributed systems; and be it further RESOLVED,

that the office of Vice President, Apache DataFu" be and hereby

is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction

of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache DataFu Project,

and to have primary responsibility for management of the projects

within the scope of responsibility of the Apache DataFu Project; and be

it further


RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and

hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the

Apache DataFu Project:

   - Eyal Allweil eyal at apache dot org
   - Matthew Hayes mhayes at apache dot org
   - Roman Shaposhnik rvs at apache dot org
   - Sam Shah samshah at apache dot org


NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Matthew Hayes

be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DataFu, to

serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the

Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until

death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,

or until a successor is appointed; and be it further



RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DataFu PMC be and hereby is

tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to

encourage open development and increased participation in the

Apache DataFu Project; and be it further



RESOLVED, that the Apache DataFu Project be and hereby

is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache

Incubator DataFu podling; and be it further



RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache

Incubator DataFu podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator

Project are hereafter discharged.



--
My introduction https://youtu.be/Ln4vly5sxYU

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