On Dec 27, 2003, at 1:39 PM, Santiago Gala wrote:
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El lunes, 22 dici, 2003, a las 16:32 Europe/Madrid, Geir Magnusson Jr.
escribió:
You are free to do what you want. Is this then about personal google
hitcount?
To the risk of re-starting a extinguishing discussion, I think google
(or any outsider looking) plays an important role here, but not in the
personal hitcount sense.
I'll simply note that as you didn't quote what I was responding to,
some readers unfamiliar with the thread might incorrectly assume that
this was about an effort to keep this from being an open discussion.
No one wanted to keep this from being an open discussion. It was first
suggested by Peter a while ago, and I think everyone was in agreement.
The issue was trying to get some organization and planning around a
complicated subject before bringing it public.
I think openness of product *and* process is the only thing that makes
us scalable and fault-tolerant, when comparing Apache with more
traditional organizations.
I fully support openness, but I'll also note that a bit of organization
and planning go a long way. And there are plenty of traditional closed
organizations that do just fine due to planning and organization, such
as IBM and Microsoft.
Scalable because big groups of people can coordinate, even if they
don't give specific input or they were not there while the decision
was taken.
Yep, all helped by a bit of planning and organization.
Fault tolerant because the public audit trail left in CVS and mailing
lists makes it easy for third party observers (or interested parties)
to spot any error in oversight.
Yep, all helped by a bit of planning and organization. Note that 'CVS'
and 'mailing lists' are two examples of planning and organization.
If we go to the cathedral versus bazaar metaphor, nothing beyond a
small group conversation remains private in the bazaar. So, if some
merchant down there is selling cheaper, notice propagates fast. Same
if some merchandise is faulted.
Maybe. I'll note that the most successful OSS projects I've seen also
had a strong individual or group of individuals that helped via (you
can guess what's coming...), ...a bit of planning and organization.
Apache httpd, linux, emacs, hibernate, mysql, the list goes on...
Same w/ Jakarta. There have always been a strong group of people
guiding the sub-projects and the project overall. What we are trying
to do now is increase that group, or better, recognize those that are
doing it already, and conforming to legal structure needed by the ASF.
geir
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