On Dec 27, 2003, at 1:39 PM, Santiago Gala wrote:
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El lunes, 22 dici, 2003, a las 16:32 Europe/Madrid, Geir Magnusson Jr. escribió:
You are free to do what you want. Is this then about personal google hitcount?
To the risk of re-starting a extinguishing discussion, I think google (or any outsider looking) plays an important role here, but not in the "personal hitcount" sense.
I'll simply note that as you didn't quote what I was responding to, some readers unfamiliar with the thread might incorrectly assume that this was about an effort to keep this from being an open discussion.
No one wanted to keep this from being an open discussion. It was first suggested by Peter a while ago, and I think everyone was in agreement. The issue was trying to get some organization and planning around a complicated subject before bringing it public.
I think openness of product *and* process is the only thing that makes us scalable and fault-tolerant, when comparing Apache with more traditional organizations.
I fully support openness, but I'll also note that a bit of organization and planning go a long way. And there are plenty of traditional closed organizations that do just fine due to planning and organization, such as IBM and Microsoft.
Scalable because big groups of people can coordinate, even if they don't give specific input or they were not "there" while the decision was taken.
Yep, all helped by a bit of planning and organization.
Fault tolerant because the public audit trail left in CVS and mailing lists makes it easy for third party observers (or interested parties) to spot any error in oversight.
Yep, all helped by a bit of planning and organization. Note that 'CVS' and 'mailing lists' are two examples of planning and organization.
If we go to the "cathedral versus bazaar" metaphor, nothing beyond a small group conversation remains private in the bazaar. So, if some merchant down there is "selling" cheaper, notice propagates fast. Same if some merchandise is faulted.
Maybe. I'll note that the most successful OSS projects I've seen also had a strong individual or group of individuals that helped via (you can guess what's coming...), "...a bit of planning and organization". Apache httpd, linux, emacs, hibernate, mysql, the list goes on...
Same w/ Jakarta. There have always been a strong group of people guiding the sub-projects and the project overall. What we are trying to do now is increase that group, or better, recognize those that are doing it already, and conforming to legal structure needed by the ASF.
geir
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