Re: news symlinks
On 1 Mar 2004, at 12:15, Marcus Sundman wrote: snip maybe it'd be cool to have a complete latest-first index of all news stories in the news index page. that way, not only would it be a useful resource but also it'd be a fixed page for people to book mark. Yes. (Well, it would be cool in the sense that it is cool that you can edit text in a text editor.) i've added a complete index of all the news headlines to the news status page (http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/index.html) together with some other organizational improvements. i think that it's interesting to see all the headlines together in one place. (and yes, i think that it's cool but then again, i'm easily amused :) those folks who've asked for a news page to bookmark should bookmark this one. - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: news symlinks
Marcus Sundman wrote: Would it be possible to have symlinks like http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/news-latest.html http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/elsewhere-latest.html that would point to the latest news? we'd then risk people losing long term urls. probably getting apache to do temporary redirects from those urls would be ok, though. of course, i'd be interested to know what other people think on this before actually doing anything about it... Well, now one can't bookmark the news pages because the URLs change every once in a while, so something should be done. Neither symlinks nor temporary redirects are very good solutions. I think people most often want to see the latest news, e.g. a list of all news items less than N days old. If all news are on pages categorized e.g. by month then N will keep changing all the time (N=0 exactly when the month changes). Thus almost no one would see news posted in the very end of the month. I think the best solution would be to have one page with news N days old, and then have a completely separate news archive where news are categorized by month/year/whatever. The former could have news from both Jakarta and elsewhere on the same page, preventing people from having to check two URLs when reading news. The latter could have different categories for Jakarta news and other news. Seems like you are describing MovableType. Why then simply not install it? (and disable comments) Vadim - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: news symlinks
I think the best solution would be to have one page with news N days old, and then have a completely separate news archive where news are categorized by month/year/whatever. The former could have news from both Jakarta and elsewhere on the same page, preventing people from having to check two URLs when reading news. The latter could have different categories for Jakarta news and other news. that's probably true but it would require active maintenance to keep it up to date. so, probably some sort of consensus would be needed amongst those who'll be doing this extra work before going ahead. Huh? Surely the news items are entries in a database of some sort, or are you implying that someone actually modifies html files directly?! Having two lists should only be a matter of having two different db queries, e.g. All news from year 2003: SELECT title, time, body FROM news WHERE time='2003-01-01 00:00:00' AND time'2004-01-01 00:00:00' All news from the last month: SELECT title, time, body FROM news WHERE time='NOW() - INTERVAL 1 MONTH maybe it'd be cool to have a complete latest-first index of all news stories in the news index page. that way, not only would it be a useful resource but also it'd be a fixed page for people to book mark. Yes. (Well, it would be cool in the sense that it is cool that you can edit text in a text editor.) - Marcus Sundman - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: news symlinks
On 1 Mar 2004, at 12:15, Marcus Sundman wrote: I think the best solution would be to have one page with news N days old, and then have a completely separate news archive where news are categorized by month/year/whatever. The former could have news from both Jakarta and elsewhere on the same page, preventing people from having to check two URLs when reading news. The latter could have different categories for Jakarta news and other news. that's probably true but it would require active maintenance to keep it up to date. so, probably some sort of consensus would be needed amongst those who'll be doing this extra work before going ahead. Huh? Surely the news items are entries in a database of some sort, or are you implying that someone actually modifies html files directly?! the web site is almost all static. jakarta (and most of the apache stuff) is generated using anakia from xml source by volunteers on their own machines and then committed into CVS. a major reason for this is that (until recently) the apache website ran on a very low specification machine (infrastructure's httpd gurus could even make a pig fly ;). we now have a better web server but running a lot of dynamic content on it would probably be problematic. IIRC there was talk (in infrastructure) about being able to loan some better machines from sponsors on which jakarta (and the other ASF projects) could run dynamic content but i'm no longer in the infrastructure loop so now would be good time for better informed people to jump in... maybe it'd be cool to have a complete latest-first index of all news stories in the news index page. that way, not only would it be a useful resource but also it'd be a fixed page for people to book mark. Yes. (Well, it would be cool in the sense that it is cool that you can edit text in a text editor.) cool in the sense of a-useful-resource-that-jakartaens-might-feel-motivated-to-maintain. anyone else have any opinions on this? - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: news symlinks
On 27 Feb 2004, at 12:19, Marcus Sundman wrote: Would it be possible to have symlinks like http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/news-latest.html http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/elsewhere-latest.html that would point to the latest news? we'd then risk people losing long term urls. probably getting apache to do temporary redirects from those urls would be ok, though. of course, i'd be interested to know what other people think on this before actually doing anything about it... Well, now one can't bookmark the news pages because the URLs change every once in a while, so something should be done. they only twice change twice a year but you're probably right about the principle. it'd never occurred to me (or - it seems - to the other folks who replied to the proposal thread) that people would want to bookmark the news page (rather than the index). i found out recently that some people subscribe to the commit list for the site so they can keep up to date with the jakarta news. so maybe it's more popular (and therefore important) than we released. i'd love to have an RSS news feed for jakarta. (this is yet another idea going on the growing list of really-coolthings-to-do-usingjames-once-i-find-time.) anyone fancy volunteering to take this further? Neither symlinks nor temporary redirects are very good solutions. I think people most often want to see the latest news, e.g. a list of all news items less than N days old. If all news are on pages categorized e.g. by month then N will keep changing all the time (N=0 exactly when the month changes). Thus almost no one would see news posted in the very end of the month. I think the best solution would be to have one page with news N days old, and then have a completely separate news archive where news are categorized by month/year/whatever. The former could have news from both Jakarta and elsewhere on the same page, preventing people from having to check two URLs when reading news. The latter could have different categories for Jakarta news and other news. that's probably true but it would require active maintenance to keep it up to date. so, probably some sort of consensus would be needed amongst those who'll be doing this extra work before going ahead. maybe it'd be cool to have a complete latest-first index of all news stories in the news index page. that way, not only would it be a useful resource but also it'd be a fixed page for people to book mark. opinions? - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: news symlinks
Would it be possible to have symlinks like http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/news-latest.html http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/elsewhere-latest.html that would point to the latest news? we'd then risk people losing long term urls. probably getting apache to do temporary redirects from those urls would be ok, though. of course, i'd be interested to know what other people think on this before actually doing anything about it... Well, now one can't bookmark the news pages because the URLs change every once in a while, so something should be done. Neither symlinks nor temporary redirects are very good solutions. I think people most often want to see the latest news, e.g. a list of all news items less than N days old. If all news are on pages categorized e.g. by month then N will keep changing all the time (N=0 exactly when the month changes). Thus almost no one would see news posted in the very end of the month. I think the best solution would be to have one page with news N days old, and then have a completely separate news archive where news are categorized by month/year/whatever. The former could have news from both Jakarta and elsewhere on the same page, preventing people from having to check two URLs when reading news. The latter could have different categories for Jakarta news and other news. - Marcus Sundman - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: news symlinks
On 26 Feb 2004, at 19:42, Noel J. Bergman wrote: probably getting apache to do temporary redirects from those urls You do know that /www/jakarta.apache.org/.htaccess is in CVS, right? i do now :) thanks - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: news symlinks
probably getting apache to do temporary redirects from those urls You do know that /www/jakarta.apache.org/.htaccess is in CVS, right? --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: news symlinks
we'd then risk people losing long term urls. probably getting apache to do temporary redirects from those urls would be ok, though. of course, i'd be interested to know what other people think on this before actually doing anything about it... - robert On 26 Feb 2004, at 12:56, Marcus Sundman wrote: Hi, Would it be possible to have symlinks like http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/news-latest.html http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/elsewhere-latest.html that would point to the latest news? So http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/news-latest.html would currently point to http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.html and http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/elsewhere-latest.html would currently point to http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/elsewhere-2004-1stHalf.html - Marcus Sundman - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
