Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise thread -- a try of clarification

2006-06-11 Thread Luis Francisco Araujo
Patrick Lauer wrote: On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 16:14 -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: How exactly is it easier to manage a large number of ebuilds versus a small number? It is easier to manage one large overlay than managing 35 small overlays. Communication overhead, duplication of effort,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise thread -- a try of clarification

2006-06-11 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 10:27:29 -0400 Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [lots of good stuff - +lots Chris] Not so many moons ago, new ebuilds were submitted to bugzilla. The bug wranglers would assign the bugs to the team most likely to end up as the maintainers, and new ebuilds either

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] i18n project

2006-06-11 Thread Peter Volkov (pva)
On Вск, 2006-06-11 at 02:16 +0200, Marius Mauch wrote: On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:11:50 +0200 Jan Kundrát [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: b) Localization of Gentoo-developed applications (portage, gentoolkit,...) including their manpages I don't really like this one. Documentation, sure, but for the

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] i18n project

2006-06-11 Thread Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
On 6/10/06, Jan Kundrát [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, let's rephrase it a bit. The following items represent my view about the i18n team's responsibilities: a) Translation of metadata.xml stuff in our tree (Is there any method to keep them up-to-date when the English text changes? Something like

Re: [gentoo-dev] Dealing with /var/cache on unmerge

2006-06-11 Thread Jakub Moc
Daniel Drake wrote: Mike Frysinger wrote: maybe give ebuilds a way to maintain a list of files that portage should nuke when unmerging the package ... Something similar to this would be useful for kernel ebuilds, as simply unmerging kernel source will leave a load of temporary and object

[gentoo-dev] Perforce packages have been removed from the tree

2006-06-11 Thread Stuart Herbert
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Just a note that no-one took over maintainership of the perforce packages, so I've removed them from the tree. I've archived a copy in my personal overlay, just in case there are any Gentoo users out there who'd like to help maintain them. If

Re: [gentoo-dev] virtual/x11-7* hides real bugs and breaks good ebuilds

2006-06-11 Thread Jakub Moc
Donnie Berkholz wrote: Jakub Moc wrote: Olivier Crete wrote: Is there a recent list of non-ported packages ? Maybe we should do a last effort to port everything for a week or two and then package.mask the packages that no one cares enough about to port them. Hmmm, not a up2date one, AFAIK...

Re: [gentoo-dev] Dealing with /var/cache on unmerge

2006-06-11 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 11 June 2006 05:01, Jakub Moc wrote: Daniel Drake wrote: Mike Frysinger wrote: maybe give ebuilds a way to maintain a list of files that portage should nuke when unmerging the package ... Something similar to this would be useful for kernel ebuilds, as simply unmerging

Re: [gentoo-dev] July Council Meeting: Requested Agenda Item

2006-06-11 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 11:37:42AM -0400, Alec Warner wrote: Have the GWN posted to -core in a sane time period prior to it's release. I seriously doubt anyone cares about whether the publication is always on time (whatever that may be). If it's a bi-weekly publication it doesn't always

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise -- Proposal

2006-06-11 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 01:37:15PM +0200, Markus Ullmann wrote: Okay, so after figuring out open problems (thanks to kloeri and various other people for help here), we now have a resolution that should satisfy all involved parties here. This should adress dostrow's demands as well. While I do

Re: [gentoo-dev] July Council Meeting: Requested Agenda Item

2006-06-11 Thread Josh Saddler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marius Mauch wrote: On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 01:00:43 +0200 Patrick Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 11:37 -0400, Alec Warner wrote: Have the GWN posted to -core in a sane time period prior to it's release. I seriously doubt

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise -- Proposal

2006-06-11 Thread Jakub Moc
Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 01:37:15PM +0200, Markus Ullmann wrote: Okay, so after figuring out open problems (thanks to kloeri and various other people for help here), we now have a resolution that should satisfy all involved parties here. This should adress dostrow's

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise thread -- a try of clarification

2006-06-11 Thread Josh Saddler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Gianelloni wrote: [. . .] Right on! :) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEi/j4rsJQqN81j74RAsRHAKCJsN09KKGlLq5CD4Bh/7r9QYJ12QCgnFx1 lRWrDI1euePCP0MrwoP/Emg= =G9qu -END PGP SIGNATURE- --

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] i18n project

2006-06-11 Thread Jan Kundrát
Marius Mauch wrote: genone and my point is that users often don't even realize that their post contains non-english text Make Portage add a line with Some of the previous errors were reported in non-English language. If you want to get support from official channel, please run `LC_ALL=C

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] i18n project

2006-06-11 Thread Jan Kundrát
Peter Volkov (pva) wrote: On Сбт, 2006-06-10 at 15:11 +0200, Jan Kundrát wrote: a) Translation of metadata.xml stuff in our tree (Is there any method to keep them up-to-date when the English text changes? Something like revision attribute that gets bumped when the English text gets updated?)

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] i18n project

2006-06-11 Thread Jan Kundrát
Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy wrote: Keep only English in metadata.xml. Using tools such as intltool or xml2po to extract strings and let i18n translate/maintain .po files themselves. Generated .mo files will be included in metadata directory when rsycing. Another portage hack to use .mo files in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Project Sunrise thread -- a try of clarification

2006-06-11 Thread Christian Birchinger
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 02:04:57PM +0200, Stefan Schweizer wrote: svn co http://overlays.gentoo.org/svn/proj/sunrise/category/application; emerge application As long as it's made for pulling single ebuilds (and their support files), i think it's really helpfull. It's exactly the same as

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Project Sunrise -- Proposal

2006-06-11 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:33:19 -0400 Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 13:37:15 +0200, Markus Ullmann wrote: 1) m-w / m-n requirement Only ebuilds that are reported to bugzie (valid bug#) and set to maintainer-wanted are allowed here as well as maintainer-needed ones.

[gentoo-dev] Re: Project Sunrise -- Proposal

2006-06-11 Thread Stefan Schweizer
Peter wrote: Um, there are numerous new not-in-portage-tree ebuilds submitted to bz which have been assigned to teams. However, they may still languish. They were assigned by the wranglers, and not improperly. Yet, for many reasons, the bugs wait. So, will there be a mechanism for a

Re: [gentoo-dev] July Council Meeting: Requested Agenda Item

2006-06-11 Thread Christel Dahlskjaer
After waiting for my replies for 24+ hours I presume they disappeared into a blackhole while we were lacking lists, so I'm resending. Forwarded Message From: Christel Dahlskjaer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] July Council Meeting:

Re: [gentoo-dev] July Council Meeting: Requested Agenda Item

2006-06-11 Thread Christel Dahlskjaer
The reply appears to have disappeared into a black hole. Forwarded Message From: Christel Dahlskjaer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] July Council Meeting: Requested Agenda Item Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 13:26:31 +0100 On Sat,

Re: [gentoo-dev] July Council Meeting: Requested Agenda Item

2006-06-11 Thread Christel Dahlskjaer
Another vanishing reply from yesterday. Forwarded Message From: Christel Dahlskjaer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] July Council Meeting: Requested Agenda Item Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 13:44:02 +0100 On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 10:56

Re: [gentoo-dev] virtual/x11-7* hides real bugs and breaks good ebuilds

2006-06-11 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Jakub Moc wrote: Donnie, pingy! ;) Just a friendly reminder to run the script again, so that we can do a last attempt on fixing the remaining stuff before resorting to more drastic solutions... Yeah, it's on my list, but I've got family here all weekend so no time to work on stuff. Thanks,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise -- Proposal

2006-06-11 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: While I do think this proposal is much better than the previous non-existing proposal, it still doesn't address the problem of having the sunrise overlay hosted on a non *.gentoo.org address to make it 100% clear to the public that it is unsupported. It's no more

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Project Sunrise thread -- a try of clarification

2006-06-11 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
On Sun, Jun 11, 2006 at 03:42:19PM +0200, Christian Birchinger wrote: On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 02:04:57PM +0200, Stefan Schweizer wrote: svn co http://overlays.gentoo.org/svn/proj/sunrise/category/application; emerge application As long as it's made for pulling single ebuilds (and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Project Sunrise -- Proposal

2006-06-11 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
On Sun, Jun 11, 2006 at 04:01:50PM +0200, Stefan Schweizer wrote: You need to ask a team member then to move them to maintainer-wanted. Usually the teams have no problem with moving bugs over to maintainer-wanted because they know that they cannot maintain everything themselves. But Project

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise -- Proposal

2006-06-11 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
On Sun, Jun 11, 2006 at 09:43:01AM -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: It's no more or less supported than anything else on overlays.gentoo.org. The word overlays ought to be enough. I suppose you oppose the whole concept, anyhow? No, I am certainly not opposed to overlays in general. I even

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise -- Proposal

2006-06-11 Thread Stuart Herbert
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: | However, as has been pointed out several times in this thread already, | back when the devloper community agreed to the overlays project it was | also agreed that projects similar to what is now known as Project |

[gentoo-dev] Re: Project Sunrise -- Proposal

2006-06-11 Thread Stefan Schweizer
Dan Meltzer wrote: On 6/10/06, Markus Ullmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) Not one large tree but subdirs, one per herd to help herds better keeping track of which parts are alive in the overlay, each herd's ebuilds are grouped in a subdir, e.g. there will be a netmon/ dir with

Re: [gentoo-dev] July Council Meeting: Requested Agenda Item

2006-06-11 Thread Wernfried Haas
On Sun, Jun 11, 2006 at 05:50:05PM +0100, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: As for why the Council, because thats what people suggested when I asked which route to take when he was unresponsive. I see, and that puts your suggestion of conctacting the council in a different angle. [some stuff

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Project Sunrise -- Proposal

2006-06-11 Thread Markus Ullmann
Ryan Hill wrote: 2. People who contribute good ebuilds over a certain period of time are allowed upon decision by project devs to actively help maintaining the project. They'll be given commit rights for the project then. Same frome above applies here: If we notice any abuse, we revoke access

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise -- Proposal

2006-06-11 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
On Sun, Jun 11, 2006 at 06:53:51PM +0100, Stuart Herbert wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: | However, as has been pointed out several times in this thread already, | back when the devloper community agreed to the overlays project it was | also

Re: [gentoo-dev] July Council Meeting: Requested Agenda Item

2006-06-11 Thread Christel Dahlskjaer
On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 09:27 +0200, Wernfried Haas wrote: On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 04:28:36AM +0100, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: I would like to ask that the Council discuss the current state and future of the GWN at their next meeting. Council? Why escalate things? Have you talked to Ulrich

Re: [gentoo-dev] July Council Meeting: Requested Agenda Item

2006-06-11 Thread Christel Dahlskjaer
On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 10:07 +0200, Lars Weiler wrote: Congratulations. I just unsubscribed from the gwn-feedback-alias after reading your mail. * Christel Dahlskjaer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [06/06/10 04:28 +0100]: 1. Reliability. The GWN claims to be a weekly publication, yet it frequently

Re: [gentoo-dev] July Council Meeting: Requested Agenda Item

2006-06-11 Thread Christel Dahlskjaer
On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 10:56 +0200, Patrick Lauer wrote: On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 03:28 +0100, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: I would like to ask that the Council discuss the current state and future of the GWN at their next meeting. I don't think you have to escalate that far. We should be able to

Re: [gentoo-dev] July Council Meeting: Requested Agenda Item

2006-06-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 10:56:48 +0200 Patrick Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I also believe that when posting an article or interview, a copy | should be sent to the relevant people to ensure that they are ok | with what is being posted (my dev of the week interview, for | example, was rather

Re: [gentoo-dev] July Council Meeting: Requested Agenda Item

2006-06-11 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 01:13:36PM +0100, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: To take an example, there were made up quotes in my GWN interview, however, nothing of great harm. I believe that time it was a case of attempting to make it more fun, it is however a worrying trend. One of my blog entries

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Project Sunrise -- Proposal

2006-06-11 Thread Marius Mauch
Stefan Schweizer schrieb: Marius Mauch wrote: On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 13:37:15 +0200 Markus Ullmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, so after figuring out open problems (thanks to kloeri and various other people for help here), we now have a resolution that should satisfy all involved parties

Re: [gentoo-dev] July Council Meeting: Requested Agenda Item

2006-06-11 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 01:13:36PM +0100, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: To take an example, there were made up quotes in my GWN interview, however, nothing of great harm. I believe that time it was a case of attempting to make it more fun, it is however a worrying

Re: [gentoo-dev] July Council Meeting: Requested Agenda Item

2006-06-11 Thread Alec Warner
Donnie Berkholz wrote: Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 01:13:36PM +0100, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: To take an example, there were made up quotes in my GWN interview, however, nothing of great harm. I believe that time it was a case of attempting to make it more fun, it

[gentoo-dev] aging ebuilds with unstable keywords

2006-06-11 Thread Daniel Ahlberg
Hi, This is an automatically created email message. http://gentoo.tamperd.net/stable has just been updated with 15545 ebuilds. The page shows results from a number of tests that are run against the ebuilds. The tests are: * if a version has been masked for 30 days or more. * if an arch was in

[gentoo-portage-dev] updated portage cache progress patch

2006-06-11 Thread Jason Pepas
Hello, Now that there is a new version of portage out (2.1), I updated my portage cache progress patch. If the --verbose option is given, it shows more information while updating the portage cache. normal behavior: Updating Portage cache: 18% verbose behavior: Updating Portage cache: