Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ned Ludd wrote: > I would be in favor of a gentoo-dev-announce list if it allowed me > to unsubscribe from this list. Sure, if you want to just accept any decisions rather than participate in making them. The -dev-announce list should be for finalized decisions. It should be too late to dispute

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Lance Albertson wrote: > Outside if this being more centered around dev-only announcements, could > the current -announce list suffice? I'd hate to need to subscribe to > yet-another-announcement-list (or make our developers/users). Our > -announce list certainly has the historical presence where t

Re: [gentoo-dev] [experiment] Sunrise try 2

2006-06-24 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 24 June 2006 18:54, Edward Catmur wrote: > * Security (from malicious contributors): Glad to see layman will only > track the reviewed/ tree; still, anyone who checks out the sunrise/ tree > (and has it in PORTDIR_OVERLAY) is vulnerable. > > - Remove from the examples any suggestion tha

Re: [gentoo-dev] [experiment] Sunrise try 2

2006-06-24 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 24 June 2006 09:12, Thomas Cort wrote: > http://gentoo-sunrise.org/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/wiki/HowToCommit this is a stupid nit pick thing (but i'm good at that) the examples should use $ as the shell prompt, not # pwnt! -mike pgpQu9Pb2ha9V.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage by gentoo-java's doing migration work

2006-06-24 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 24 June 2006 00:07, James Potts wrote: > There is a problem here for the java folks...Technically, their > migration-overlay is an overlay, and technically, that overlay is > currently unofficial. Therefore, technically, if it is against the > rules for projects and/or devs to use bugz

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-24 Thread Lance Albertson
Marius Mauch wrote: > On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 22:30:31 -0500 > Lance Albertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Donnie Berkholz wrote: >> >>> I propose that all need-to-know announcements and decisions be >>> posted to a separate, moderated (or restricted posting) >>> gentoo-dev-announce list to ensure

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-24 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 22:30:31 -0500 Lance Albertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Donnie Berkholz wrote: > > > I propose that all need-to-know announcements and decisions be > > posted to a separate, moderated (or restricted posting) > > gentoo-dev-announce list to ensure that no developers lose tr

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-24 Thread Ned Ludd
On Sat, 2006-06-24 at 20:06 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > This topic has come up in the past, and I'd like to revive it once > again. The gentoo-dev list has gotten a lower and lower signal to noise > ratio over the past year or two, and it's difficult to dig out the stuff > that's truly required

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-24 Thread Lance Albertson
Donnie Berkholz wrote: > I propose that all need-to-know announcements and decisions be posted to > a separate, moderated (or restricted posting) gentoo-dev-announce list > to ensure that no developers lose track of what really matters. > Hopefully, this will also help to give more focus to discus

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resignation

2006-06-24 Thread Joshua Jackson
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[gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz
This topic has come up in the past, and I'd like to revive it once again. The gentoo-dev list has gotten a lower and lower signal to noise ratio over the past year or two, and it's difficult to dig out the stuff that's truly required reading. I propose that all need-to-know announcements and decis

[gentoo-dev] Resignation

2006-06-24 Thread Jory A. Pratt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As most are aware I was only active dev in mozilla herd. I have decided that it is time to leave gentoo, which leaves herd unmaintained. Security team can do as they wish, they do not take the user to mind when they want to make hasty decision, without

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise - Update.

2006-06-24 Thread Luca Barbato
Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > Hi, > We held a meeting earlier this evening between User Relations, Project > Sunrise, brix and kloeri (unfortunately wolf31o2 was unable to attend) > to discuss the current and future direction of Project Sunrise. Uff, then I have to find another issue for my experi

[gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise - Update.

2006-06-24 Thread Christel Dahlskjaer
Hi, We held a meeting earlier this evening between User Relations, Project Sunrise, brix and kloeri (unfortunately wolf31o2 was unable to attend) to discuss the current and future direction of Project Sunrise. The Sunrise developers felt that they were unable to change the format of the project in

Re: [gentoo-dev] [experiment] Sunrise try 2

2006-06-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Luca Barbato wrote: > Edward Catmur wrote: > Critic 4 >> * Conflicts between contributors (social): Alice adds an ebuild; Bob >> makes a (maybe "obvious") change; Alice thinks the change is incorrect, >> and, feeling that the ebuild is her property, reverts the change. A >> revert war erupts. Many

Re: [gentoo-dev] [experiment] Sunrise try 2

2006-06-24 Thread Luca Barbato
Edward Catmur wrote: > On Sat, 2006-06-24 at 13:05 +0200, Luca Barbato wrote: >> (from critics) >> - What is wrong with the model (each point 2 lines at least, 4 at most) >> - What you'd do as alternative as the criticized point ( 2 lines again) Let me reformat a bit > Critic 1 > * Simplicity: Th

Re: [gentoo-dev] [experiment] Sunrise try 2

2006-06-24 Thread Edward Catmur
On Sat, 2006-06-24 at 13:05 +0200, Luca Barbato wrote: > (from critics) > - What is wrong with the model (each point 2 lines at least, 4 at most) > - What you'd do as alternative as the criticized point ( 2 lines again) * Simplicity: The FAQ claims that Sunrise is simpler than Bugzilla. It is - fo

Re: [gentoo-dev] net-wireless/gtkskan package.masked pending removal

2006-06-24 Thread Petteri Räty
Petteri Räty wrote: > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75674#c8 > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48686#c1 > > Copied from second link: > >> I have announced the end-of-life for this package on gentoo-dev and >> gentoo-user, as: >> >> 1) It only compiles against gtk+-1.2, which is hi

[gentoo-dev] net-wireless/package.masked pending removal

2006-06-24 Thread Petteri Räty
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75674#c8 http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48686#c1 Copied from second link: > I have announced the end-of-life for this package on gentoo-dev and > gentoo-user, as: > > 1) It only compiles against gtk+-1.2, which is highly outdated. > 2) It only compi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Masking perl-core/ExtUtils-MakeMaker, eventual removal

2006-06-24 Thread Michael Cummings
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 OK, I attempted this in November of 05 (then forgot?), but since no one responded to my last round, it has been removed. Happy gentoo'ing, ~mcummings Michael Cummings wrote: > Once upon a time ago, we added ExtUtils-MakeMaker to the tree to deal > wi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage by gentoo-java's doing migration work

2006-06-24 Thread James Potts
On 6/24/06, Wernfried Haas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 12:07:52AM -0500, James Potts wrote: > There is a problem here for the java folks...Technically, their > migration-overlay is an overlay, and technically, that overlay is > currently unofficial. _Technically_ probably

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage by gentoo-java's doing migration work

2006-06-24 Thread Lance Albertson
Patrick Lauer wrote: >> was >> suspended in the first place. You're taking every comment that's been >> made against it as a personal attack and have been ignorant in *all* the >> technical details. > Well ... if the technical details are "it will cause the end of the > world" it's hard to evalua

Re: [gentoo-dev] [experiment] Sunrise try 2

2006-06-24 Thread Georgi Georgiev
maillog: 24/06/2006-09:12:59(-0400): Thomas Cort types > > What I need: > > (from proponents) > > - A list of issue sunrise wants to address (each point 2 lines at most) > > - How it will be implemented > > (from critics) > > - What is wrong with the model (each point 2 lines at least, 4 at most) >

Re: [gentoo-dev] [experiment] Sunrise try 2

2006-06-24 Thread Thomas Cort
On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:36:23 +0200 Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It isn't in the format useful for a discussion point by point, genstef > is converting it, I hope. Yes, this is true. I was just pointing out that things have changed since the original proposal and that before people beg

Re: [gentoo-dev] [experiment] Sunrise try 2

2006-06-24 Thread Luca Barbato
Thomas Cort wrote: > > Before people start replying, they should make sure they are familiar > with the updated model/policies (read: they've changed since the > original discussion on -dev). The new stuff is available at: > http://gentoo-sunrise.org/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/wiki/SunriseFaq and > http://

Re: [gentoo-dev] [experiment] Sunrise try 2

2006-06-24 Thread Thomas Cort
> What I need: > (from proponents) > - A list of issue sunrise wants to address (each point 2 lines at most) > - How it will be implemented > (from critics) > - What is wrong with the model (each point 2 lines at least, 4 at most) > - What you'd do as alternative as the criticized point ( 2 lines a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage by gentoo-java's doing migration work

2006-06-24 Thread Simon Stelling
James Potts wrote: > There is a problem here for the java folks...Technically, their > migration-overlay is an overlay, and technically, that overlay is > currently unofficial. Therefore, technically, if it is against the > rules for projects and/or devs to use bugzilla for unofficial > overlays,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage by gentoo-java's doing migration work

2006-06-24 Thread Wernfried Haas
On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 12:07:52AM -0500, James Potts wrote: > There is a problem here for the java folks...Technically, their > migration-overlay is an overlay, and technically, that overlay is > currently unofficial. _Technically_ probably maybe, but please read what already has been said about

[gentoo-dev] [experiment] Sunrise try 2

2006-06-24 Thread Luca Barbato
I'm just trying to start again just to have it as example on how to be productive and critical at the same time. What I need: (from proponents) - A list of issue sunrise wants to address (each point 2 lines at most) - How it will be implemented (from critics) - What is wrong with the model (each p

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage by gentoo-java's doing migration work

2006-06-24 Thread Luca Barbato
Patrick Lauer wrote: > Sorry to disappoint you :-) There are times for action and times for meditation, mix them correctly... Also remember that rarely we need to take quick action or the world will fall, "think twice, do it once" is a good way to avoid problems. sunrise has lots of potential BU

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage by gentoo-java's doing migration work

2006-06-24 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 21:38 -0500, Lance Albertson wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:14:12 +0200 Patrick Lauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > | Just to take this to a humorous extreme - > > | would you be content if sunrise ceased all operations? > > > > That's not a