Re: [gentoo-dev] Slacker archs

2007-02-21 Thread Bryan Østergaard
On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 05:10:49AM +, George Prowse wrote: Bryan Østergaard wrote: On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 11:46:32AM +0100, Francesco Riosa wrote: Snipped silly inflamatory bit Ciaran McCreesh ha scritto: It is widely perceived that Gentoo has a huge problem with slacker archs

[gentoo-dev] [RFC] custom-cflags global USE

2007-02-21 Thread Timothy Redaelli
What do you think about custom-cflags global USE? app-emulation/xen-tools:custom-cflags - Use CFLAGS from /etc/make.conf rather than the default Xen CFLAGS (not supported) app-emulation/xen:custom-cflags - Use CFLAGS from /etc/make.conf rather than the default Xen CFLAGS (not supported)

[gentoo-dev] musicbrainz useflag, and a couple others

2007-02-21 Thread Bruno Roggeri
Hello list, I filed bug 165561 [1] to ask for the musicbrainz useflag to be made global, and in reply I was asked to have it discussed here, so here it goes. According to use.local.desc, the useflag is used in 4 different ebuilds for the same purpose : app-cdr/k3b, media-sound/amarok,

[gentoo-dev] Packages not yet converted to Manifest2

2007-02-21 Thread Marius Mauch
While Diego did an awesome job with converting many packages to Manifest2 there are still about 400 packages that aren't converted yet. If you maintain any package in the attached list please update it to use Manifest2. To update a package make sure that you're using portage-2.1.2-r9 or later,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages not yet converted to Manifest2

2007-02-21 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 03:16:27PM +0100, Marius Mauch wrote: While Diego did an awesome job with converting many packages to Manifest2 there are still about 400 packages that aren't converted yet. If you maintain any package in the attached list please update it to use Manifest2. To

Re: EAPI spec (was Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: let's clear things up (was Slacker archs))

2007-02-21 Thread Stephen Bennett
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:28:51 +0100 Denis Dupeyron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You forgot to mention that the small group is either a subset of the interested parties or is commissioned by them. Which doesn't appear to be the case here. Given that people wouldn't be working on it if they weren't

[gentoo-dev] Re: musicbrainz useflag, and a couple others

2007-02-21 Thread Duncan
Bruno Roggeri [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:21:23 +0100: I filed bug 165561 [1] to ask for the musicbrainz useflag to be made global, and in reply I was asked to have it discussed here, so here it goes. According to use.local.desc, the

Re: EAPI spec (was Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: let's clear things up (was Slacker archs))

2007-02-21 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:28:51 +0100 Denis Dupeyron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | You forgot to mention that the small group is either a subset of the | interested parties or is commissioned by them. Which doesn't appear to | be the case here. Sure it is. | Because there are a lot of people with

Re: EAPI spec (was Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: let's clear things up (was Slacker archs))

2007-02-21 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:31:44 +0100 Luca Barbato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Now, I think we could wait even a bit more, but there is much interest | in seeing it complete so is natural that more people are willing to | help speeding up at least the first release. The question is not whether they

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] custom-cflags global USE

2007-02-21 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:32:56 +0100 Timothy Redaelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | What do you think about custom-cflags global USE? I think it encourages policy violations. http://devmanual.gentoo.org/general-concepts/user-environment/index.html -- Ciaran McCreesh Mail

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] custom-cflags global USE

2007-02-21 Thread Timothy Redaelli
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:32:56 +0100 Timothy Redaelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | What do you think about custom-cflags global USE? I think it encourages policy violations. http://devmanual.gentoo.org/general-concepts/user-environment/index.html I know the policy, but

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages not yet converted to Manifest2

2007-02-21 Thread Mike Doty
Marius Mauch wrote: While Diego did an awesome job with converting many packages to Manifest2 there are still about 400 packages that aren't converted yet. If you maintain any package in the attached list please update it to use Manifest2. To update a package make sure that you're using

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] custom-cflags global USE

2007-02-21 Thread Danny van Dyk
Am Mittwoch, 21. Februar 2007 18:25 schrieb Timothy Redaelli: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:32:56 +0100 Timothy Redaelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | What do you think about custom-cflags global USE? I think it encourages policy violations.

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] custom-cflags global USE

2007-02-21 Thread Michael Sterrett -Mr. Bones.-
How about we just leave them as local use flags and move on? global vs. local is more then just about number of packages using the flag. It has more to do with, Is this flag globally useful and relevant. So far, I haven't seen a recently suggest local use flag that cries out to be made global.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages not yet converted to Manifest2

2007-02-21 Thread Petteri Räty
Mike Doty wrote: Marius Mauch wrote: While Diego did an awesome job with converting many packages to Manifest2 there are still about 400 packages that aren't converted yet. If you maintain any package in the attached list please update it to use Manifest2. To update a package make sure that

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] custom-cflags global USE

2007-02-21 Thread Jakub Moc
Danny van Dyk napsal(a): What about making custom-cflags default in the base profile? Uhm? Maybe re-read the description of the flags? It's unsupported and breaks stuff, that's why the use flag exists... -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature:

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] custom-cflags global USE

2007-02-21 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:53:47 +0100 Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Danny van Dyk napsal(a): | What about making custom-cflags default in the base profile? | | Uhm? Maybe re-read the description of the flags? It's unsupported and | breaks stuff, that's why the use flag exists... And not

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages not yet converted to Manifest2

2007-02-21 Thread Jason Wever
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, Marius Mauch wrote: Updated versions of the list will be available at dev.gentoo.org/~genone/reports/mf2 Please provide complete URLs. It's not so hard to type an extra 7 characters :) Also your mail client does not

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages not yet converted to Manifest2

2007-02-21 Thread Marius Mauch
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:40:43 -0800 Mike Doty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are people using old versions of portage? when flameeyes worked on this, he did all but *4*(not 4%) so I'm wondering how it creeped back up. Most likely he didn't detect all packages (haven't seen his script). Marius --

[gentoo-dev] New developer: Richard Brown (rbrown)

2007-02-21 Thread Stephen Bennett
Everybody say hi, or alternative greetings of your choice, to our new recruit, Richard Brown, who will be helping with various QA-related projects and possibly attempting to kick some life into the Ruby herd. He, in his own words, works and lives in Hampshire in the UK, doing a mix of website

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Richard Brown (rbrown)

2007-02-21 Thread Danny van Dyk
Am Mittwoch, 21. Februar 2007 20:10 schrieb Stephen Bennett: Please welcome Richard to our ranks, or accuse him of being an evil cabalist (he works on Paludis, particularly maintaining its Ruby bindings), as you see fit. Welcome aboard Richard! Danny -- Danny van Dyk [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages not yet converted to Manifest2

2007-02-21 Thread Piotr Jaroszyński
pcheck -r $PORTDIR '*' -c Manifest2Transition I am trying to finish the transition: - cvs up a category - try(some of them are unfetchable) to fix all pkgs that pcheck reports Hope it goes smoothly. -- Best Regards, Piotr Jaroszyński -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Richard Brown (rbrown)

2007-02-21 Thread Alexander Færøy
Welcome rbrown!!! -- Alexander Færøy Bugday Lead Alpha/IA64/MIPS Architecture Teams User Relations, Quality Assurance pgp0TphwDE5Yr.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Richard Brown (rbrown)

2007-02-21 Thread Luca Barbato
Stephen Bennett wrote: Everybody say hi, or alternative greetings of your choice, to our new Yet another minion^Wfellow developer joining the horde^Wour circle... Ehm, welcome, thank you for joining, I hope we could have lots of fun, if you can stand Ciaran in his bad moments you could stand

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] custom-cflags global USE

2007-02-21 Thread Luca Barbato
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:53:47 +0100 Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Danny van Dyk napsal(a): | What about making custom-cflags default in the base profile? | | Uhm? Maybe re-read the description of the flags? It's unsupported and | breaks stuff, that's why the

[gentoo-dev] Global ebuild variables and pkg_setup

2007-02-21 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
A number of ebuilds do things like this: inherit foo VAR=${FOO_VAR} src_compile() { emake blah=${VAR} } where foo.eclass looks like this: foo_pkg_setup() { export FOO_VAR=baz } and where VAR is usually one of the KV variables from linux-info.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Global ebuild variables and pkg_setup

2007-02-21 Thread Daniel Robbins
Ciaran, It looks like a fairly trivial thing to fix in ebuilds. I think the problem you may be having is that people don't have any incentive to make short-term changes to their ebuilds just so you can get Paludis to work with them. It needs to be part of a larger interoperability plan that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Global ebuild variables and pkg_setup

2007-02-21 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 21 February 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: A number of ebuilds do things like this: inherit foo VAR=${FOO_VAR} where foo.eclass looks like this: foo_pkg_setup() export FOO_VAR=baz Is this something that has to work (at the expense of never allowing eclass

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Richard Brown (rbrown)

2007-02-21 Thread David Shakaryan
Stephen Bennett wrote: Please welcome Richard to our ranks, or accuse him of being an evil cabalist (he works on Paludis, particularly maintaining its Ruby bindings), as you see fit. Welcome, Richard. Excellent choice of programming language! :) -- David Shakaryan GnuPG Public Key:

[gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI spec (was Re: Re: let's clear things up (was Slacker archs))

2007-02-21 Thread Steve Long
Brian Harring wrote: Offhand, if the council (majority, no offense meant but not just one council member who is also a paludis dev) is happy with the state of things and timelines, then I'll gladly retract the request. Is this the case; are the majority of the council happy? --

[gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI spec (was Re: Re: let's clear things up (was Slacker archs))

2007-02-21 Thread Steve Long
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | Are you really saying that you won't be releasing this information | until such time as *Paludis* meets it, even though portage/pkgcore | may not? Isn't the *point* of this spec to try to bring everyone on | the same page? I'm saying that until there is an

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI spec (was Re: Re: let's clear things up (was Slacker archs))

2007-02-21 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 04:04:37 + Steve Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I'm saying that until there is an independent implementation, the | specification is worthless and will contain huge numbers of errors. | | Seriously? Without an implementation, your spec of what should happen | will have

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI spec (was Re: Re: let's clear things up (was Slacker archs))

2007-02-21 Thread Daniel Robbins
On 2/21/07, Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you insane? What on earth could Jakub possibly contribute? If you want a rough indication of Jakub's level of ebuild understanding, take a look at bug 160328. Is there any process in place to ban people from the gentoo-dev mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI spec (was Re: Re: let's clear things up (was Slacker archs))

2007-02-21 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:48:49 -0700 Daniel Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On 2/21/07, Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Are you insane? What on earth could Jakub possibly contribute? If | you want a rough indication of Jakub's level of ebuild | understanding, take a look at bug

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI spec (was Re: Re: let's clear things up (was Slacker archs))

2007-02-21 Thread antarus
Clearly you are more concerned about getting Paludis ready. spb has other priorities, fair enough, but this is something that seems fairly important for gentoo as a whole. In process terms, I can't understand why the team working on it isn't a pkgcore dev (eg marienz if you can't

[gentoo-dev] Re: Global ebuild variables and pkg_setup

2007-02-21 Thread Stefan Schweizer
Some time ago the development version of portage used to source the ebuild only once. I very much liked this and in the process fixed some ebuilds like you described it. Sadly this feature was removed from portage again - nice to see it coming up again. Please fix or point out ebuilds that