Re: [gentoo-dev] Proper distribution integration of kernel *-sources, patches and configuration.

2013-07-02 Thread Tomáš Pružina
This reminds me of: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards.png It sure sounds nicely, however I would not want to be the guy who maintains the whole mess of (often) incompatible patchsets. Given the fact that some patches lag 1-3 stable versions behind Linuses tree (grsec used by hardened for exampl

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-kernel] Proper distribution integration of kernel *-sources, patches and configuration.

2013-07-02 Thread Greg KH
Almost all of this portion of the thread is off-topic for gentoo-dev, so I'll leave it alone, and will be more than willing to take it up somewhere else it is on-topic for, like linux-kernel, if you want to. But, there is one thing I do want to ask/comment on, as it is relevant to users of Gentoo:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proper distribution integration of kernel *-sources, patches and configuration.

2013-07-02 Thread Sergei Trofimovich
On Tue, 2 Jul 2013 10:21:53 +0200 Fabio Erculiani wrote: > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Sergei Trofimovich wrote: > > [ sorry, a lot to quote ] > > > > What upstream do you plan to report bugs when user possibly mixes > > all of it in one mess? Each of those is known to be unstable. The mix >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo Hangouts

2013-07-02 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 09:21 Mon 24 Jun , Mike Pagano wrote: > Sometimes it helps to realize that the people on the other end of the > wire are just that: people. > > I've seen behaviors change among team members for the better. ^^ This. Seeing people as close to "in person" as we can get without a conference

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proper distribution integration of kernel *-sources, patches and configuration.

2013-07-02 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Tue, 2 Jul 2013 10:36:34 +0300 Sergei Trofimovich wrote: > What upstream do you plan to report bugs when user possibly mixes > all of it in one mess? Each of those is known to be unstable. The mix > is just a disaster. They used to do this to us and to kernel upstream before. Why? Because we

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proper distribution integration of kernel *-sources, patches and configuration.

2013-07-02 Thread Michael Weber
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Sorry for that GPG-traffic and me needing 3 mails to formulate my thoughts. I am not against providing a gentoo-sources binary kernel package with a sound setup to suite gentoo-needs and `make allmodconfig` to give the less enthusiastic `make nconfi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proper distribution integration of kernel *-sources, patches and configuration.

2013-07-02 Thread Michael Weber
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 07/02/2013 10:21 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Sergei Trofimovich > wrote: >> Forbid users install udev to ROOT=/ if running kernel does not >> support devtmpfs (easy to check by /proc/filesystems) > > No. As expla

gentoo-checkconf script Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-kernel] Proper distribution integration of kernel *-sources, patches and configuration.

2013-07-02 Thread Michael Weber
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 07/01/2013 11:53 PM, Anthony G. Basile wrote: > Now I'm confused because gentoo-sources is gentoo specific. It > contains stuff that we need in gentoo but other distros do not > need, like our end-to-end support for certain xattr namespaces. If

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proper distribution integration of kernel *-sources, patches and configuration.

2013-07-02 Thread Fabio Erculiani
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Sergei Trofimovich wrote: > [ sorry, a lot to quote ] > > What upstream do you plan to report bugs when user possibly mixes > all of it in one mess? Each of those is known to be unstable. The mix > is just a disaster. > > Is gentoo's kernel team able to resolve user

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proper distribution integration of kernel *-sources, patches and configuration.

2013-07-02 Thread Sergei Trofimovich
[ sorry, a lot to quote ] What upstream do you plan to report bugs when user possibly mixes all of it in one mess? Each of those is known to be unstable. The mix is just a disaster. Is gentoo's kernel team able to resolve user's OOpsen? > ### ... and configuration. ### > > This problem is not o