Re: [gentoo-dev] The state and future of the OpenRC project

2014-06-10 Thread Thomas Kahle
On 09.06.2014 23:45, hasufell wrote: Thomas Kahle: then they stay in the overlay because people feel it is not worth the effort to fix the QA issues which in turn would be necessary before moving them to the main tree. Probably because no one mentored them on how to fix these QA issues.

Re: [gentoo-dev] The state and future of the OpenRC project

2014-06-10 Thread Christopher Schwan
On Monday 09 June 2014 21:45:26 hasufell wrote: Probably because no one mentored them on how to fix these QA issues. Otherwise... if that's attitude, then that's just sad and has to be fixed by those who run that overlay (review, contribution guidelines). And I still think that the top 1

Re: [gentoo-dev] The state and future of the OpenRC project

2014-06-10 Thread Alexander Berntsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 For what it's worth, I strongly oppose using GitHub or any other SaaSS that is not licensed using AGPL or under similar terms. My suggestion is Phabricator, which additionally beats GitHub on functionality by having proper code review support. I

Re: [gentoo-dev] The state and future of the OpenRC project

2014-06-10 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:57 AM, Thomas Kahle to...@gentoo.org wrote: My personal attitude: It is just not worth the effort to rewrite their build systems for the ~10 users out there. I have better things to do with my time and I think that these packages can live forever in the overlay and

Re: [gentoo-dev] The state and future of the OpenRC project

2014-06-10 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 10:57:32 +0200 Thomas Kahle to...@gentoo.org wrote: I was mentored on the QA issues and have come to 'this attitude' myself. Take sci-mathematics/singular: Upstream is genuinely not interested in supporting distriutions or their petty QA unless you can prove them that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] News item: GCC 4.8.3 defaults to -fstack-protector

2014-06-10 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 9 Jun 2014 21:46:56 -0600 Ryan Hill rh...@gentoo.org wrote: Yes. But now you've got me worried. We have to build gcc itself with -fno-stack-protector. Does compiling something with that flag give an error on hppa? Maybe give 4.8.2-r1 a whirl. Setting -fstack-protector on HPPA does

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] News item: GCC 4.8.3 defaults to -fstack-protector

2014-06-10 Thread Petteri Räty
On 10.6.2014 5.31, Jeroen Roovers wrote: On Mon, 9 Jun 2014 18:16:02 -0600 Ryan Hill rh...@gentoo.org wrote: Beginning with GCC 4.8.3, Stack Smashing Protection (SSP) will be enabled by default.[..] .. on supported architectures. Right? I would rather make news items architecture

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] News item: GCC 4.8.3 defaults to -fstack-protector

2014-06-10 Thread Magnus Granberg
tisdag 10 juni 2014 14.22.11 skrev Jeroen Roovers: On Mon, 9 Jun 2014 21:46:56 -0600 Ryan Hill rh...@gentoo.org wrote: Yes. But now you've got me worried. We have to build gcc itself with -fno-stack-protector. Does compiling something with that flag give an error on hppa? Maybe give

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] News item: GCC 4.8.3 defaults to -fstack-protector

2014-06-10 Thread Anthony G. Basile
On 06/10/14 08:22, Jeroen Roovers wrote: On Mon, 9 Jun 2014 21:46:56 -0600 Ryan Hill rh...@gentoo.org wrote: Yes. But now you've got me worried. We have to build gcc itself with -fno-stack-protector. Does compiling something with that flag give an error on hppa? Maybe give 4.8.2-r1 a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] News item: GCC 4.8.3 defaults to -fstack-protector

2014-06-10 Thread Anthony G. Basile
On 06/10/14 10:35, Magnus Granberg wrote: tisdag 10 juni 2014 14.22.11 skrev Jeroen Roovers: On Mon, 9 Jun 2014 21:46:56 -0600 Ryan Hill rh...@gentoo.org wrote: Yes. But now you've got me worried. We have to build gcc itself with -fno-stack-protector. Does compiling something with that

Re: [gentoo-dev] The state and future of the OpenRC project

2014-06-10 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello, On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 21:45:26 + hasufell wrote: Thomas Kahle: then they stay in the overlay because people feel it is not worth the effort to fix the QA issues which in turn would be necessary before moving them to the main tree. Probably because no one mentored them on

Re: [gentoo-dev] The state and future of the OpenRC project

2014-06-10 Thread Alexander Berntsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 10/06/14 17:45, Andrew Savchenko wrote: I don't know why CVS is still used for Gentoo main repository, probably some infrastructure elements depends deeply on its internals, because I see of no other reason why Git is still not used

Re: [gentoo-dev] The state and future of the OpenRC project

2014-06-10 Thread Andrew Savchenko
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 17:49:15 +0200 Alexander Berntsen wrote: On 10/06/14 17:45, Andrew Savchenko wrote: I don't know why CVS is still used for Gentoo main repository, probably some infrastructure elements depends deeply on its internals, because I see of no other reason why Git is still

Re: [gentoo-dev] The state and future of the OpenRC project

2014-06-10 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Andrew Savchenko birc...@gmail.com wrote: Why are you saying that git is inefficient with large projects? It was developed with efficiency in mind in the first place. And kernel guys will likely disagree with git is not great with crazy big projects

Re: [gentoo-dev] The state and future of the OpenRC project

2014-06-10 Thread Peter Stuge
Rich Freeman wrote: likely bikeshedding .. Or we can just accept that those using overlays will have them break from time to time. Maybe there's an in-between. It's very reasonable to ask from an overlay maintainer that they run overlint now and then. If overlint can be taught to report

Re: [gentoo-dev] The state and future of the OpenRC project

2014-06-10 Thread Andrew Savchenko
On Sat, 7 Jun 2014 23:08:15 +0200 Jeroen Roovers wrote: On Sat, 07 Jun 2014 15:35:04 -0500 Daniel Campbell cont...@sporkbox.us wrote: [2]: Overview of bugs that involve OpenRC, most for the package itself. https://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=openrc I think working on

Re: [gentoo-dev] The state and future of the OpenRC project

2014-06-10 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 21:39:30 +0400 Andrew Savchenko birc...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 7 Jun 2014 23:08:15 +0200 Jeroen Roovers wrote: On Sat, 07 Jun 2014 15:35:04 -0500 Daniel Campbell cont...@sporkbox.us wrote: [2]: Overview of bugs that involve OpenRC, most for the package

Re: [gentoo-dev] The state and future of the OpenRC project

2014-06-10 Thread hasufell
Andrew Savchenko: On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 17:49:15 +0200 Alexander Berntsen wrote: On 10/06/14 17:45, Andrew Savchenko wrote: I don't know why CVS is still used for Gentoo main repository, probably some infrastructure elements depends deeply on its internals, because I see of no other reason

Re: [gentoo-dev] The state and future of the OpenRC project

2014-06-10 Thread Sergei Trofimovich
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 19:58:36 + hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: Andrew Savchenko: On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 17:49:15 +0200 Alexander Berntsen wrote: On 10/06/14 17:45, Andrew Savchenko wrote: I don't know why CVS is still used for Gentoo main repository, probably some infrastructure

Re: [gentoo-dev] The state and future of the OpenRC project

2014-06-10 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 3:58 PM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: interesting read: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/189776 Does any1 know what fb currently uses or if any of these issues have been resolved? Not sure, but I did a git status on the actual gentoo-x86

[gentoo-dev] The infinite git migration

2014-06-10 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 06/10/2014 11:45 PM, Andrew Savchenko wrote: [lots of whining removed ;) ] I don't know why CVS is still used for Gentoo main repository, probably some infrastructure elements depends deeply on its internals, because I see of no other reason why Git is still not used despite efforts

Re: [gentoo-dev] The state and future of the OpenRC project

2014-06-10 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 06/11/2014 01:39 AM, Andrew Savchenko wrote: On Sat, 7 Jun 2014 23:08:15 +0200 Jeroen Roovers wrote: On Sat, 07 Jun 2014 15:35:04 -0500 Daniel Campbell cont...@sporkbox.us wrote: [2]: Overview of bugs that involve OpenRC, most for the package itself.

Re: [gentoo-dev] The infinite git migration

2014-06-10 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 6:59 PM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: The first migration attempt failed after consuming nearly 100GB of RAM! When it did work it took obscene amounts of time, and the result was unusably large (e.g. initial checkout would take 16GB RAM on the server, thus

Re: [gentoo-dev] The infinite git migration

2014-06-10 Thread Duy Nguyen
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 5:59 AM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: Another part: Git wasn't ready. The first migration attempt failed after consuming nearly 100GB of RAM! When it did work it took obscene amounts of time, and the result was unusably large (e.g. initial checkout would take

Re: [gentoo-dev] The state and future etc. etc.

2014-06-10 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 06/10/2014 03:52 AM, Thomas Kahle wrote: On 08/06/14 18:06, hasufell wrote: I am not sure if that is a joke. You can pretty much ask most major gentoo projects. The ones where I was involved more deeply definitely suffer from that problem, including sunrise and games team. Science team

Re: [gentoo-dev] The infinite git migration

2014-06-10 Thread Greg Turner
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Duy Nguyen pclo...@gmail.com wrote: Since v1.9.0 we can clone from a shallow repository. Wow, awesome! Thank you, git developers, you rock (and sorry I'm too lazy to tell you in your own mailing list :) )!

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] News item: GCC 4.8.3 defaults to -fstack-protector

2014-06-10 Thread Ryan Hill
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:48:53 -0400 Anthony G. Basile bluen...@gentoo.org wrote: On 06/10/14 10:35, Magnus Granberg wrote: tisdag 10 juni 2014 14.22.11 skrev Jeroen Roovers: On Mon, 9 Jun 2014 21:46:56 -0600 Ryan Hill rh...@gentoo.org wrote: Yes. But now you've got me worried. We

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] News item: GCC 4.8.3 defaults to -fstack-protector

2014-06-10 Thread Ryan Hill
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 14:22:11 +0200 Jeroen Roovers j...@gentoo.org wrote: On Mon, 9 Jun 2014 21:46:56 -0600 Ryan Hill rh...@gentoo.org wrote: Yes. But now you've got me worried. We have to build gcc itself with -fno-stack-protector. Does compiling something with that flag give an

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] News item: GCC 4.8.3 defaults to -fstack-protector

2014-06-10 Thread Ryan Hill
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[gentoo-dev] Re: The state and future of the OpenRC project

2014-06-10 Thread Ryan Hill
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 13:09:26 -0400 Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Andrew Savchenko birc...@gmail.com wrote: Why are you saying that git is inefficient with large projects? It was developed with efficiency in mind in the first place. And kernel guys

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The state and future of the OpenRC project

2014-06-10 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 06/11/2014 12:10 PM, Ryan Hill wrote: But, for the most part we just need to get the back-end re-written to work with a git repo. Actually migrating the tree itself to git is largely a solved problem. Weren't we also waiting for some gpg signing stuff to land? That's completely

[gentoo-dev] Re: The state and future of the OpenRC project

2014-06-10 Thread Duncan
Ryan Hill posted on Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:10:07 -0600 as excerpted: [On switching the gentoo tree to git.] Weren't we also waiting for some gpg signing stuff to land? At one point, yes, but AFAIK, that was actually resolved some time ago (a year, two?) now. -- Duncan - List replies preferred.