[gentoo-dev] Re: firefox-2.0

2006-10-29 Thread Ryan Hill
Michal Kurgan wrote: Recently new firefox-2.0 was released. I (and probably many other users) am interested when this new version would be unmasked and stabilized. If there are any problems, what are they and what to expect if i would force installation now? Is there any roadmap or timeline

[gentoo-dev] Re: New developer: Christian Faulhammer (opfer)

2006-10-28 Thread Ryan Hill
Christian Heim wrote: Its my pleasure to introduce to you Christian Faulhammer (also known as opfer), our latest addition helping with xemacs and the x86 monkeys. Woo hoo! :D -- by design, by neglect [EMAIL PROTECTED]for a fact or just for

[gentoo-dev] Re: New developer: Ryan Hill (dirtyepic)

2006-10-22 Thread Ryan Hill
Petteri Räty wrote: It's my pleasure to introduce to you Ryan dirtyepic Hill. He is joining us to help with the endless x86 testing effort, treecleaners, and gcc-porting. You might remember him for the work he did for getting gcc 4.1 marked stable. He hails from a town that most can't

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Gentoo Commitfests

2006-10-21 Thread Ryan Hill
Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote: So, are you proposing to encourage people to do commits for the sake of commits? Make people do revbumps/keywording just to get their commits in, without doing proper testing? Or to hold on number of commits till commitfest? I would hope that people would be

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Ryan Hill
Jakub Moc wrote: Ciaran McCreesh napsal(a): The profiles change over time. Currently, when the profiles change, the only thing that has to be checked for conflicting USE behaviour is subprofiles. With IUSE defaults, the person making the change will also have to do a sanity check over the

[gentoo-dev] Re: Recommended -march settings [was: Re: CFLAGS paragraph submission for the GWN]

2006-10-14 Thread Ryan Hill
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Saturday 14 October 2006 04:49, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: CFLAGS=-march=prescott -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer here's a good reason why gentoo-wiki is not official ... this is wrong. the duo cpu's are not based on the pentium4 which is what the prescott is

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] CFLAGS paragraph for the GWN

2006-10-01 Thread Ryan Hill
Duncan wrote: Could you point me at some info on this one (-ftree-vectorize)? It came up on the amd64 list a week or so ago, when someone asked what I thought of it and why I didn't have it in my cflags (which I had just explained). I said I didn't know enough about it to make a case either

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] CFLAGS paragraph for the GWN

2006-09-30 Thread Ryan Hill
Lionel Bouton wrote: There are already good resources (http://gentoo-wiki.com/CFLAGS_matrix was mentioned to me by robbat2) but they may not be advertised enough. Most of the info on that page is wrong. I'd like to propose a paragraph to the GWN editor which presents some gotchas and good

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] CFLAGS paragraph for the GWN

2006-09-30 Thread Ryan Hill
Robin H. Johnson wrote: On Sat, Sep 30, 2006 at 03:48:53PM -0600, Ryan Hill wrote: Lionel Bouton wrote: There are already good resources (http://gentoo-wiki.com/CFLAGS_matrix was mentioned to me by robbat2) but they may not be advertised enough. Most of the info on that page is wrong

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] CFLAGS paragraph for the GWN

2006-09-30 Thread Ryan Hill
Lionel Bouton wrote: I'll wait and see if other devs are aware of common CFLAGS gotchas plaguing bugzilla. Flags such as -fforce-addr and -fweb that change the way registers are handled can often cause errors when compiling hand-optimised ASM on architectures with a very limited number of

[gentoo-dev] Re: New dev: dev-zero

2006-09-27 Thread Ryan Hill
Simon Stelling wrote: Hi all, It is with great pleasure that I announce the devification of Tiziano 'dev-zero' M�ller. He writes us: I'm from Zurich, Switzerland. Born here and still living here :-) I'm studying physics at the University of Zurich and working in a small company as IT

[gentoo-dev] Re: New dev: dev-zero

2006-09-27 Thread Ryan Hill
Simon Stelling wrote: Hi all, It is with great pleasure that I announce the devification of Tiziano 'dev-zero' M�ller. He writes us: I'm from Zurich, Switzerland. Born here and still living here :-) I'm studying physics at the University of Zurich and working in a small company as IT

[gentoo-dev] Re: New Developer: Jim Ramsay (lack)

2006-09-27 Thread Ryan Hill
Christian Heim wrote: Its my pleasure to introduce to you lack, our recent addition joining us to take care of the rox-related ebuilds. He hails from Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada. When he's unplugged from his computer, he tries to play some guitar and write songs (he even plays in two

[gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 52 - GLEP 23 revisited

2006-09-24 Thread Ryan Hill
Simon Stelling wrote: Hello all, I would like you to share your comments on the attached GLEP with me. Thanks in advance! I think I agree with the others. Excellent idea though; thanks for giving this issue your attention. --de. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

[gentoo-dev] Re: The Seed Project - Try 2

2006-09-24 Thread Ryan Hill
Lance Albertson wrote: From my point of view, it would have been nice to have at least been asked what infra could do to host these tarballs down the road. That way, we have a sound plan of doing a good release when they're ready. I don't like the idea of them springing a release and then

[gentoo-dev] Re: Why you use Gentoo

2006-09-10 Thread Ryan Hill
So, wondering why people use Gentoo. Put [dev] or something if you're an actual gentoo dev and [user] if you're a user. Doesn't need to be fancy, you can put community or something if that's all you want. All responses off list please. Thanks. I use Gentoo because of its intelligent user

[gentoo-portage-dev] Re: mysql workbench - bug #131383

2006-09-10 Thread Ryan Hill
Anthony Ettinger wrote: I get the following error when trying to compile mysql workbench from the bugzilla ebuilds. /usr/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/adaptors/bound_argument.h:158: error: 'const class sigc::bound_argumentstd::listMYX_GRT_VALUE*, std::allocatorMYX_GRT_VALUE* ' has no member named

[gentoo-dev] Re: Paid support

2006-09-09 Thread Ryan Hill
Curtis Napier wrote: I know christel is consulting with an accountant about adpot-a-dev, Now there's a project we can get behind. QA might fall a bit though. --de. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Required Features for $package_manager to Aid... Development!

2006-09-08 Thread Ryan Hill
Elfyn McBratney wrote: I've been inspired by the local/global USE flag threads recently posted by Doug (Cardoe), and it got me to thinking... I've recently joined the pkgcore development effort, and was asked by Brian (ferringb) what I'd like to hack on/what my niggles with portage are. My

[gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for September

2006-09-03 Thread Ryan Hill
Alec Warner wrote: needs as far as QA. Last year Halcy0n petitioned for power for the QA team; it was quite like a ball crushing power (fix it or we will) and it seemed to have all kinds of frictional issues. This being a global issue I would like to hear thoughts on how this could be done

[gentoo-dev] Re: The Age of the Universe

2006-09-03 Thread Ryan Hill
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Sat, 2006-09-02 at 23:11 -0600, Ryan Hill wrote: I'd have to agree with you on that. I understand the appeal of exciting press releases but there were over 75 GCC 4.1 bugs still open for problems in *~arch* when the decision was made to go stable. Even now

[gentoo-dev] Re: The Age of the Universe

2006-09-02 Thread Ryan Hill
Carsten Lohrke wrote: we're understaffed, partly - and this is my very personal opinion - the problem is that releasing with GCC 4.x has been rushed I'd have to agree with you on that. I understand the appeal of exciting press releases but there were over 75 GCC 4.1 bugs still open for

[gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 39 compliance

2006-09-01 Thread Ryan Hill
Wernfried Haas wrote: As far i am concerned, i find seperate sections quite good as it's a clear solution as it's easy to see who is an official Gentoo monkey who did all the quiz stuff etc. May be subject to personal taste though. Some of the unofficial monkeys have also done the quiz stuff

[gentoo-dev] GCC 4.1 Reminder and Update

2006-08-27 Thread Ryan Hill
Just a reminder that GCC 4.1 will be going stable on x86 and amd64 very shortly (according to GWN at least), and is already stable on PPC. If you have any bugs blocking bug #140707 [i] please have a look and CC the relevant arch teams for stabilization. I'll be pinging bugs that haven't seen

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: AT emerge info cruft attachments on bugs.g.o

2006-08-12 Thread Ryan Hill
Duncan wrote: Matti Bickel [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:59:51 +0200: Thomas Cort [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do arch testers need to post `emerge --info` if everything works? Shouldn't we be able to trust that they have sane CFLAGS,

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: AT emerge info cruft attachments to [STABLE] bugs

2006-08-11 Thread Ryan Hill
Chris Gianelloni wrote: No. It really should be inline. I'm sorry if you think that 5K seems like a lot of spam but having to open a browser just to look at emerge --info is a complete waste of time. *ding* it's also nice to have that information actually _in_ my mailbox and not of at the

[gentoo-dev] Re: app-doc/chmlib - call for maintainer

2006-08-08 Thread Ryan Hill
Raphael Marichez wrote: app-doc/chmlib is without an active ebuild maintainer and has an open security bug [1] Anyone willing to take care of this package in the future, please update metadata.xml and CC yourself on the bug. [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143181 if no

[gentoo-dev] Re: Resignation

2006-07-31 Thread Ryan Hill
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:22:33 -0600 Ryan Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | Did you look at *which* actual Gentoo developers are on the list? | | You know, that was a completely unnecessary personal attack. God | forbid anyone take the time to attempt

[gentoo-dev] Re: Stable Staleness (mostly toolchain)

2006-07-30 Thread Ryan Hill
Alec Warner wrote: Another class of packages I wish to discuss (not remove quite yet, just talking ;) ) are older packages with stable markings. By Stable I mean debian stable, IE we stabled it in 2004 and no one has touched it since. Do these packages still work with a current system (linux

[gentoo-dev] Re: Stable Staleness (mostly toolchain)

2006-07-30 Thread Ryan Hill
Alec Warner wrote: I'm not sure if I'm misreading here, I'm not advocating we dump older gcc versions. Moreso I'm advocating we dump code that doesn't compile with newer gcc/toolchain versions that no one is willing to fix. We have had devs in the past bring in far too many packages and then

[gentoo-dev] Re: Resignation

2006-07-30 Thread Ryan Hill
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:20:16 -0500 Alex Tarkovsky | This no QA accusation is a complete myth. QA led by actual Gentoo | developers is indeed in place at Sunrise [1]. Did you look at *which* actual Gentoo developers are on the list? You know, that was a completely

[gentoo-dev] Re: aging ebuilds with unstable keywords - how can we help?

2006-07-29 Thread Ryan Hill
Chris Gianelloni wrote: (stuff) Me too! Seriously, you nailed it on the head. How many times have you had this conversation: u: Why is it taking so *!#$!@ long to get KDE/Gnome/XFCE stabilized?! Fedora/Debian/Ubuntu got it a whole week ago! OMG!!1! d: It'll be stabilized once it's

[gentoo-dev] Re: proxy-dev (an alternative to sunrise?)

2006-07-29 Thread Ryan Hill
Luis Francisco Araujo wrote: The 'modus-operandi' would go like this: 1 - We setup a mailing list (yes, yet another one, but this one is gonna be useful!) , call it , [EMAIL PROTECTED] , or [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2 - Developers interested to serve as a proxy , subscribe to the list. 3 - Users ask

[gentoo-dev] Re: making the firefox USE flag a global one

2006-07-21 Thread Ryan Hill
Simon Stelling wrote: Hi all, I just noticed that the USE flag 'firefox' is a local one. I think it should be global, though: If this happens, could you also close https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96473 :) --de. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

[gentoo-dev] Re: GCC 4.1.1 testing/stablization and glibc 2.4

2006-07-16 Thread Ryan Hill
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Sat, 2006-07-01 at 12:18 -0600, Ryan Hill wrote: Should arch testers start working with 4.1.1 then? And do you want bugs to block #117482? Arch testers should contact their architecture's leads or Release Engineering Architecture Coordinator. As for bug reports

[gentoo-dev] Re: Dying on some CFLAGS instead of filtering them.

2006-07-16 Thread Ryan Hill
Paul de Vrieze wrote: My argument is that we must not filter -ffast-math or any other dangerous cflags. The reason being that people will request more filters for all packages that don't work with it. Many users will either ignore or miss the warning messages. Filtering the flag basically

[gentoo-dev] Re: GCC 4.1.1 testing/stablization and glibc 2.4

2006-07-16 Thread Ryan Hill
Ryan Hill wrote: Just an update - I've finished most major desktop stuff for x86 without any problems. I'm moving onto stuff that's already on the tracker and is fixed in testing but not stable. Rather than open and track a ton of new bugs, I'd like to reopen the original ~arch bugs

[gentoo-dev] Re: Dying on some CFLAGS instead of filtering them.

2006-07-15 Thread Ryan Hill
Denis Dupeyron wrote: Well yes, but an ebuild that dies, whatever the reason, hasn't much to do with interactivity. Fine. Call it the don't-kill-the-emerge-for-silly-reasons philosophy if you like. I personally don't prefer it, but a lot of people think it's a good idea. What will follow

[gentoo-dev] Re: Dying on some CFLAGS instead of filtering them.

2006-07-15 Thread Ryan Hill
Ryan Hill wrote: 2.95.3, 3.1.1, 3.2.2, 3.2.3, 3.3.2, 3.3.5, 3.3.6, 3.4.1, 3.4.4, 3.4.5, 3.4.6, My bad, 3.2.2 is masked for everyone ATM. --de. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

[gentoo-dev] Re: Dying on some CFLAGS instead of filtering them.

2006-07-11 Thread Ryan Hill
Denis Dupeyron wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but this has nothing to do with being interactive or not. To me, an ebuild that dies (intentionally or due to a build error) isn't interactive at all. Their phrase, not mine. ;) I think the idea is you should be able to emerge -e world and walk

[gentoo-dev] Re: Dying on some CFLAGS instead of filtering them.

2006-07-09 Thread Ryan Hill
Denis Dupeyron wrote: In bug #139412, I ask Paul de Vriese why he thinks python should die on --fast-math instead of just filtering it. Here's his answer : Denis, quite simple. -ffast-math is broken and short-sighted for a global flag. Filtering gives the shortsighted message that it works

[gentoo-dev] Re: gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-07-01 Thread Ryan Hill
Donnie Berkholz wrote: My options are either missing important announcements or creating this list. I would prefer the list. What important announcements are you expecting to find at the bottom 50-100 posts of random relevance? The announcements are at the top, being the thing that triggered

[gentoo-dev] Re: GCC 4.1.1 testing/stablization and glibc 2.4

2006-07-01 Thread Ryan Hill
Chris Gianelloni wrote: OK, guys, I was speaking with vapier earlier about the possibility of getting gcc 4.1.1 stable for the 2006.1 release. We've managed to build some release media with it, and are planning on doing more testing with it. What we really need is for more people to test

[gentoo-dev] Re: Masking perl-core/ExtUtils-MakeMaker, eventual removal

2006-06-25 Thread Ryan Hill
Michael Cummings wrote: OK, I attempted this in November of 05 (then forgot?), but since no one responded to my last round, it has been removed. Happy gentoo'ing, *yay* --de. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-25 Thread Ryan Hill
Harald van Dijk wrote: On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 05:20:47PM +0200, Carsten Lohrke wrote: On Wednesday 21 June 2006 15:44, Stefan Schweizer wrote: qt3 - enable optional qt3 support qt4 - enable optional qt4 support That will be a mess to support in the long run. Why? Ditto. Can anyone

[gentoo-dev] Re: Project Sunrise -- Proposal

2006-06-16 Thread Ryan Hill
Marius Mauch wrote: Functional changes, bugfixes, etc. Let people use common sense there. The intention is simply that people watching the bug don't have to track the overlay as well to get notifications of important changes (like a bugfix that prevented them from using the ebuild

[gentoo-dev] Re: [ANNOUNCE] Project Sunrise - Gentoo User Overlay

2006-06-10 Thread Ryan Hill
Peter wrote: Chris, I am not familiar enough about gentoo's hierarchy, politics, or team responsibilities to question your sincerity or authority to say something like: Sorry, but if it isn't supported, it doesn't belong on Gentoo infrastructure. Then please trust that these people who are

[gentoo-dev] Re: Addition of a USE_EXPAND-Variable LIRC_DRIVERS and general cleanup of app-misc/lirc

2006-06-04 Thread Ryan Hill
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 09:11:38PM -0600, Ryan Hill wrote: LIRC_DEVICE? most of the USE_EXPAND stuff seems to be named for the device rather than the driver. eg. ALSA_CARDS, VIDEO_CARDS, INPUT_DEVICES. The ones you

[gentoo-dev] Re: Addition of a USE_EXPAND-Variable LIRC_DRIVERS and general cleanup of app-misc/lirc

2006-06-03 Thread Ryan Hill
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthias Schwarzott wrote: The --with-driver part will be moved to LIRC_DRIVERS. The name need not to be LIRC_DRIVERS, tell me if you have a better name for it (LIRC_RECEIVERS is another possibility). LIRC_DEVICE? most of the USE_EXPAND stuff

[gentoo-dev] Re: User Relations Co-lead

2006-06-03 Thread Ryan Hill
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: It is my pleasure to inform you that after much discussion I can announce that Joshua Jackson (tsunam) has come onboard to act as my co-lead in Userrel[1]. Uh-oh. - --de. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG

[gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo Devmanual

2006-05-27 Thread Ryan Hill
Mark Loeser wrote: At long last the devmanual is official. You can find it at http://devmanual.gentoo.org. I would like to thank plasmaroo for helping me with converting it to XML (since he did all of the XSL work to add in the features we needed to make it easy to write and expand upon).

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