On 11 May 2015 15:59:40 CEST, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:37 AM, C Bergström cbergst...@pathscale.com
wrote:
Sorry to shoot and run, but I think you're trying to tackle this
problem in the wrong way. The problem isn't to drop the mail. The
solution is to
On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 1:18 PM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On 11 May 2015 15:59:40 CEST, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:37 AM, C Bergström cbergst...@pathscale.com
wrote:
Sorry to shoot and run, but I think you're trying to tackle this
problem in the
On Sat, 23 May 2015 08:18:28 +0200
J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
If you are thinking of a FOSS email provider. Maybe investigate
Fastmail?
They use postfix and cyrus. And they also handle a lot of the
development of the latter.
Not sure if they would fit in with the rest, but I
Am 23.05.2015 um 08:18 schrieb J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org:
I'd REALLY like to see a FOSS alternative to Gmail (a good one, that
is), and ditto for Google docs (or whatever the latest branding for
that is). There is nothing magical about cloud-based services any more
than there is
On Sat, 23 May 2015 13:24:11 +0700 C Bergström wrote:
On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 1:18 PM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
Rich,
If you are thinking of a FOSS email provider. Maybe investigate Fastmail?
They use postfix and cyrus. And they also handle a lot of the development
of
On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 2:18 AM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On 11 May 2015 15:59:40 CEST, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
I'd REALLY like to see a FOSS alternative to Gmail (a good one, that
is), and ditto for Google docs (or whatever the latest branding for
that is). There is
On Sat, 23 May 2015 07:16:10 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote:
On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 2:18 AM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On 11 May 2015 15:59:40 CEST, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
I'd REALLY like to see a FOSS alternative to Gmail (a good one, that
is), and ditto for Google
On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 8:32 AM, Andrew Savchenko birc...@gentoo.org wrote:
Sylpheed supports filters which allow you to have e-mails in
multiple directories based on arbitrary user-defined filtering.
It supports IMAP also, though I never use it as I prefer POP3 and
SMTP.
Well, besides not
Am 23.05.2015 um 15:07 schrieb Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org:
Well, besides not being browser-based as far as I can tell, without
integration with the IMAP server those emails in multiple directories
won't show up in multiple directories when accessed from any other
client.
This is a
On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Niels Dettenbach (Syndicat.com)
n...@syndicat.com wrote:
Am 23.05.2015 um 15:07 schrieb Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org:
Well, besides not being browser-based as far as I can tell, without
integration with the IMAP server those emails in multiple directories
On Sat, 23 May 2015 15:34:28 +0200
Niels Dettenbach (Syndicat.com) n...@syndicat.com wrote:
What I like about Gmail is that I can operate from the
browser, but still have access to my mail via IMAP if I need it, and
of course it has a really nice Android offline client (and an
offline
On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Niels Dettenbach (Syndicat.com)
n...@syndicat.com wrote:
Am 23.05.2015 um 16:20 schrieb Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org:
With Gmail I can have an email with 14 tags. Via IMAP it shows up as
if it were in 14 folders at the same time. It is a bit kludgy, but it
Am 23.05.2015 um 16:23 schrieb Ciaran McCreesh
ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com:
But Google doesn't make me change my email address every two years as I
move, or as ISPs get bought out or go bust.
Think a bit about your own non-sense:
1.) gmail is much younger then many of really
On 23 May 2015 16:29, Niels Dettenbach (Syndicat.com) wrote:
i hope we also update the server to reject e-mails to mailing lists that
include
html nonsense
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Am 23.05.2015 um 16:20 schrieb Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org:
With Gmail I can have an email with 14 tags. Via IMAP it shows up as
if it were in 14 folders at the same time. It is a bit kludgy, but it
at least works.
This is NOT part of a mail service - it is part of a mail client. There
Am Montag, 11. Mai 2015, 20:36:18 schrieb Robin H. Johnson:
There are people that still accept mail that violates standards?
yes,
and there are mail sites and/or mail clients sending standard violating emails.
But the more truth is that there are many points within standards which are
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:19 AM, Eray Aslan e...@gentoo.org wrote:
The correct solution is to stop forwarding spam and the easiest way is
just stopping forwarding. There are valid policy reasons for not going
that route but continuing forwarding because it is too difficult to
configure gmail
Rich Freeman wrote:
I find email an incredibly frustrating experience all-around. It
works great as long as everybody doesn't use anybody for hosting who
isn't in the top-10 provider list, and doesn't use a mailing list.
DMARC marks top-10 essentially creating their own walled email garden.
Robin H. Johnson robb...@gentoo.org writes:
TL;DR: As of May 17, @gentoo.org will drop incoming spammy mail
instead of delivering it. Speak now or hold your peace.
Please no. Even Gmail has sometimes false positives. It is good enough
that Spamassassin marks mails and every user can set up
Am Dienstag, 12. Mai 2015, 06:26:41 schrieb Rich Freeman:
I find email an incredibly frustrating experience all-around. It
works great as long as everybody doesn't use anybody for hosting who
isn't in the top-10 provider list, and doesn't use a mailing list.
This is NOT true!
Our mail systems
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 04:26:01AM +, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
TL;DR: As of May 17, @gentoo.org will drop incoming spammy mail instead of
delivering it. Speak now or hold your peace.
Believe me I understand your pain. Been there done that. However,
dropping mail is never a good idea. You
On 11/05/15 05:26, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
Unless there are any major objections, as of May 17th, Infra will start
dropping mail that scores more than 10.0 points in Spamassassin.
This is excellent, as I will then finally be able to forward my Gentoo
alias to the work e-mail server. Like GMail,
Am Montag, 11. Mai 2015, 04:26:01 schrieb Robin H. Johnson:
This was a good early policy, as Gentoo was a much more reliable host than
email providers a decade ago. This isn't true anymore, with the meteoric
rise
and success of gmail.
This is not true at all - but email service reliability was
Hi!
On Mon, 11 May 2015, Eray Aslan wrote:
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 04:26:01AM +, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
TL;DR: As of May 17, @gentoo.org will drop incoming spammy mail instead of
delivering it. Speak now or hold your peace.
Believe me I understand your pain. Been there done that.
Hi,
On Mon, 11 May 2015 04:26:01 + Robin H. Johnson wrote:
As past long-standing practice, @Gentoo.org system-level mail handling for
incoming mail was officially to tag everything, and delete nothing.
All deletion decisions were left to developers, via procmail/sieve/etc.
This was a
Am Montag, 11. Mai 2015, 15:39:13 schrieb Andrew Savchenko:
Mail filtering is a minefield: too much spam is bad, loosing
even single important e-mail due to over restrictive filter is even
worse.
This is true, as far as you go over standard compliance checks and unserstand
standard violating
Hello,
Lot of thing are done for fighting spam : dnssec, dane, spf, dkim,
dmarc... All of this for trusting real sender.
Some of them break smtp built in fonctionnality : spf break forwarding [1].
If you beleive in spf (gentoo.org have an spf dns entry) , two ways need
to be looked at :
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Sorry to shoot and run, but I think you're trying to tackle this
problem in the wrong way. The problem isn't to drop the mail. The
solution is to change email hosting providers. As a non-profit I
believe Google hosted apps would be an option (free). Then it would be
possible to simply leverage
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:37 AM, C Bergström cbergst...@pathscale.com wrote:
Sorry to shoot and run, but I think you're trying to tackle this
problem in the wrong way. The problem isn't to drop the mail. The
solution is to change email hosting providers. As a non-profit I
believe Google hosted
What I'm describing is not gmail - it's everything that gmail has
and offers, but @gentoo.org domain. I'm using it right now in fact.
You get the web interface, IMAP, POP, 2 token authentication (if you
want to enabled it) and lots of other things. etc etc
It used to be free, but now google
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:44 AM, C Bergström cbergst...@pathscale.com wrote:
What I'm describing is not gmail - it's everything that gmail has
and offers, but @gentoo.org domain. I'm using it right now in fact.
You get the web interface, IMAP, POP, 2 token authentication (if you
want to
On 05/11/2015 03:29 AM, Eray Aslan wrote:
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 04:26:01AM +, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
TL;DR: As of May 17, @gentoo.org will drop incoming spammy mail instead of
delivering it. Speak now or hold your peace.
Believe me I understand your pain. Been there done that.
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On 05/11/2015 09:31 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
On 05/11/2015 03:29 AM, Eray Aslan wrote:
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 04:26:01AM +, Robin H. Johnson
wrote:
TL;DR: As of May 17, @gentoo.org will drop incoming spammy mail
instead of delivering
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 03:27:12PM +0200, Charles Nérot wrote:
Lot of thing are done for fighting spam : dnssec, dane, spf, dkim,
dmarc... All of this for trusting real sender.
Some of them break smtp built in fonctionnality : spf break forwarding [1].
DANE does nothing for spam, there are
On 05/11/2015 03:35 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
Could it be an alternative to move the messages flagged as spam into
an own folder that isn't forwarded? at least that means it doesn't
impact operations for those using it locally and the mail is still
around, if a webmail interface or
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 03:31:51PM -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
On 05/11/2015 03:29 AM, Eray Aslan wrote:
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 04:26:01AM +, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
TL;DR: As of May 17, @gentoo.org will drop incoming spammy mail instead of
delivering it. Speak now or hold your
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 03:39:13PM +0300, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
Unconditional adjustment of free software infrastructure for very
questionable rules of proprietary product is a very bad idea.
It's an ecosystem. If we do nothing, we continue to penalize all
developers who forward their mail to
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:09:08PM +0200, Niels Dettenbach wrote:
As past long-standing practice, @Gentoo.org system-level mail handling for
incoming mail was officially to tag everything, and delete nothing.
This is - for a public internet Mailer / MX - a VERY bad option - at least
mail
On 05/11/2015 04:08 PM, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
By drop, I will clarify that they should ideally be rejected at SMTP
time, not silently dropped.
I believe those logs show a rejection after the message has been
accepted initially (if I'm wrong, you can ignore the rest of this). This
is better
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 04:47:31PM -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
On 05/11/2015 04:08 PM, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
By drop, I will clarify that they should ideally be rejected at SMTP
time, not silently dropped.
I believe those logs show a rejection after the message has been
accepted
On 05/11/2015 10:21 AM, C Bergström wrote:
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:44 AM, C Bergström cbergst...@pathscale.com
wrote:
What I'm describing is not gmail - it's everything that gmail has
and offers, but @gentoo.org domain.
On Mon, 11 May 2015 18:17:10 +0200
Alexis Ballier aball...@gentoo.org wrote:
You should probably think about the difference between public code
being mirrored at github and giving some big company access to private
emails.
Like your phone company, ISP, and national intelligence agencies?
--
On Mon, 11 May 2015 17:20:01 +0100
Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2015 18:17:10 +0200
Alexis Ballier aball...@gentoo.org wrote:
You should probably think about the difference between public code
being mirrored at github and giving some big company
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:21 AM, C Bergström cbergst...@pathscale.com wrote:
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:44 AM, C Bergström cbergst...@pathscale.com
wrote:
What I'm describing is not gmail - it's everything that gmail has
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:55 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:21 AM, C Bergström cbergst...@pathscale.com
wrote:
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:44 AM, C Bergström cbergst...@pathscale.com
Look at the forwarding which is already happening. They are already
giving that big company the emails. That big company gets a copy of
every email which is posted publicly already.
Are you concerned about their privacy policy? Are you concerned about
them complying to a government demand or
On Mon, 11 May 2015 22:21:09 +0700
C Bergström cbergst...@pathscale.com wrote:
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org
wrote:
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:44 AM, C Bergström
cbergst...@pathscale.com wrote:
What I'm describing is not gmail - it's everything that gmail
Dnia 2015-05-11, o godz. 17:20:01
Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com napisał(a):
On Mon, 11 May 2015 18:17:10 +0200
Alexis Ballier aball...@gentoo.org wrote:
You should probably think about the difference between public code
being mirrored at github and giving some big company
TL;DR: As of May 17, @gentoo.org will drop incoming spammy mail instead of
delivering it. Speak now or hold your peace.
Hi all,
As past long-standing practice, @Gentoo.org system-level mail handling for
incoming mail was officially to tag everything, and delete nothing.
All deletion decisions
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