Re: [gentoo-dev] Do (old-ish) Portage QA checks comprise policy?

2019-11-05 Thread Kent Fredric
On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 23:24:57 + Michael 'veremitz' Everitt wrote: > Straw man anyone? I know Guy Fawkes night is coming up here in the UK ... ;) I love you, but please, less trolling. This is a developer discussion venue, not a place for cheap-shots like reddit. pgpVMFPNhhCyl.pgp

Re: [gentoo-dev] Do (old-ish) Portage QA checks comprise policy?

2019-11-04 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
> > TL;DR: If a QA check is enforced by Portage for a reasonably long time, > > does it constitute policy? Or can it be changed unilaterally by Portage > > team? > To avoid these sorts of questions in the future, [snip since offtopic] > In this case, whether or not this is "policy" is beside

Re: [gentoo-dev] Do (old-ish) Portage QA checks comprise policy?

2019-11-04 Thread Michael Orlitzky
2. Those other files don't get installed to the root filesystem on the systems that we're talking about. I do not understand what you think I'm referring to and which files you are talking about. The way I'm thinking of a root fs is, /bin, maybe /boot, /etc, /lib* and /sbin. Most junk

Re: [gentoo-dev] Do (old-ish) Portage QA checks comprise policy?

2019-11-04 Thread William Hubbs
On Mon, Nov 04, 2019 at 06:17:55PM -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 11/4/19 2:40 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > > > > This is a whole other thread I've been talking about for years, but if > > we want to be concerned about dumping "garbage" on people's limited root > > file systems, there are

Re: [gentoo-dev] Do (old-ish) Portage QA checks comprise policy?

2019-11-04 Thread Michael 'veremitz' Everitt
On 04/11/19 23:17, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 11/4/19 2:40 PM, William Hubbs wrote: >> >> This is a whole other thread I've been talking about for years, but if >> we want to be concerned about dumping "garbage" on people's limited root >> file systems, there are other things we need to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Do (old-ish) Portage QA checks comprise policy?

2019-11-04 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 11/4/19 2:40 PM, William Hubbs wrote: This is a whole other thread I've been talking about for years, but if we want to be concerned about dumping "garbage" on people's limited root file systems, there are other things we need to re-consider, like our notion that we have to install small

Re: [gentoo-dev] Do (old-ish) Portage QA checks comprise policy?

2019-11-04 Thread William Hubbs
Hi Kent, On Tue, Nov 05, 2019 at 10:50:09AM +1300, Kent Fredric wrote: > On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 10:53:44 -0500 > Michael Orlitzky wrote: > > > To avoid these sorts of questions in the future, it might be worth the > > time it would take to vote on each of these policies formally, document > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Do (old-ish) Portage QA checks comprise policy?

2019-11-04 Thread William Hubbs
On Mon, Nov 04, 2019 at 02:05:19PM -0600, Michael Jones wrote: > On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 1:26 PM William Hubbs wrote: > > > That way is not building static libraries at all. If we go that way as > > a distro the support for forcing static libraries into /usr/lib* is not > > needed because we

Re: [gentoo-dev] Do (old-ish) Portage QA checks comprise policy?

2019-11-04 Thread Kent Fredric
On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 10:53:44 -0500 Michael Orlitzky wrote: > To avoid these sorts of questions in the future, it might be worth the > time it would take to vote on each of these policies formally, document > them on the wiki, and then move the related checks to ::gentoo/metadata > where other

Re: [gentoo-dev] Do (old-ish) Portage QA checks comprise policy?

2019-11-04 Thread Michael Jones
On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 1:26 PM William Hubbs wrote: > That way is not building static libraries at all. If we go that way as > a distro the support for forcing static libraries into /usr/lib* is not > needed because we would just not allow static libraries. > As an end user, I would be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Do (old-ish) Portage QA checks comprise policy?

2019-11-04 Thread William Hubbs
Hi Michael, On Mon, Nov 04, 2019 at 10:53:44AM -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 11/4/19 10:01 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > > Hi, > > > > TL;DR: If a QA check is enforced by Portage for a reasonably long time, > > does it constitute policy? Or can it be changed unilaterally by Portage > > team?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Do (old-ish) Portage QA checks comprise policy?

2019-11-04 Thread William Hubbs
On Mon, Nov 04, 2019 at 11:07:43AM -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 11/4/19 11:02 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > > > > I did request a QA vote to confirm it. William demands that I close it > > Take a page out of the WilliamH playbook and completely ignore him. As I said on the other list, the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Do (old-ish) Portage QA checks comprise policy?

2019-11-04 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 11/4/19 11:02 AM, Michał Górny wrote: I did request a QA vote to confirm it. William demands that I close it Take a page out of the WilliamH playbook and completely ignore him.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Do (old-ish) Portage QA checks comprise policy?

2019-11-04 Thread Michał Górny
On Mon, 2019-11-04 at 10:53 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > In this case, whether or not this is "policy" is beside the point. No > one else wants to remove this check because it's useful and prevents > developers from accidentally dumping garbage onto users' (often limited) > root

Re: [gentoo-dev] Do (old-ish) Portage QA checks comprise policy?

2019-11-04 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 11/4/19 10:01 AM, Michał Górny wrote: Hi, TL;DR: If a QA check is enforced by Portage for a reasonably long time, does it constitute policy? Or can it be changed unilaterally by Portage team? To avoid these sorts of questions in the future, it might be worth the time it would take to

[gentoo-dev] Do (old-ish) Portage QA checks comprise policy?

2019-11-04 Thread Michał Górny
Hi, TL;DR: If a QA check is enforced by Portage for a reasonably long time, does it constitute policy? Or can it be changed unilaterally by Portage team? William Hubbs has recently attempted to remove one of Portage's QA checks [1]. Not only we disagree on the change in question, we also