Re: [gentoo-dev] How not to discuss

2009-05-30 Thread Joe Peterson
Alec Warner wrote: > Lets agree to disagree on the definition of "technical" then and > instead agree that putting EAPI in the filename is a bad design > decision ("technicalness" aside) and then have a beer! Wow. That's a *great* idea! ;) -Cheers, Joe

Re: [gentoo-dev] How not to discuss

2009-05-29 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Joe Peterson wrote: > Alec Warner wrote: >>> No, it's entirely objective. GLEP 55 clearly shows how the filename >>> based options are objectively better than anything else. >> >> But the decision will not be based entirely on objective merits >> (although I will

Re: [gentoo-dev] How not to discuss

2009-05-29 Thread Marijn Schouten (hkBst)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Piotr Jaroszyński wrote: > I think what you are missing is that some people (me included) think > that the in-file approach is the cleanest and most obvious solution > (which also happens to not hurt performance). So if you want "bad > design" to be a

Re: [gentoo-dev] How not to discuss

2009-05-28 Thread Piotr Jaroszyński
2009/5/28 Joe Peterson : > Alec Warner wrote: >>> No, it's entirely objective. GLEP 55 clearly shows how the filename >>> based options are objectively better than anything else. >> >> But the decision will not be based entirely on objective merits >> (although I will concede that EAPI in filename

Re: [gentoo-dev] How not to discuss

2009-05-28 Thread Joe Peterson
Alec Warner wrote: >> No, it's entirely objective. GLEP 55 clearly shows how the filename >> based options are objectively better than anything else. > > But the decision will not be based entirely on objective merits > (although I will concede that EAPI in filename is the 'best' technical > choic

Re: [gentoo-dev] How not to discuss

2009-05-28 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 28 May 2009 20:49:54 +0200 Patrick Lauer wrote: > Now you may still think (subjective thing, that) that glep55 is the > best solution. And I, with the same subjectivity, think it isn't. GLEP 55 shows that other solutions require either a design-enforced performance penalty or remove the a

Re: [gentoo-dev] How not to discuss

2009-05-28 Thread Roy Bamford
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2009.05.28 19:36, Alec Warner wrote: [snip] > > The community could of course just deny the features that require > glep55 (no bash4, no global scope changes, etc..) I guess the > community is doing that by default anyway by repeated discussing th

Re: [gentoo-dev] How not to discuss

2009-05-28 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Thursday 28 May 2009 20:14:57 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Thu, 28 May 2009 08:28:12 +0200 > > Patrick Lauer wrote: > > - Try to avoid subjective statements. Statements like "C++ feels > > better" don't add anything to the discussion and are objectively > > wrong for me, so they have no place in

Re: [gentoo-dev] How not to discuss

2009-05-28 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Thu, 28 May 2009 08:28:12 +0200 > Patrick Lauer wrote: >> - Try to avoid subjective statements. Statements like "C++ feels >> better" don't add anything to the discussion and are objectively >> wrong for me, so they have no place in a

Re: [gentoo-dev] How not to discuss

2009-05-28 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 28 May 2009 08:28:12 +0200 Patrick Lauer wrote: > - Try to avoid subjective statements. Statements like "C++ feels > better" don't add anything to the discussion and are objectively > wrong for me, so they have no place in a technical discussion You mean like "EAPI in the filename feels b

Re: [gentoo-dev] How not to discuss

2009-05-27 Thread Patrick Lauer
This is becoming a rather lengthy email ping pong, but as people seem to be unable to discuss things I had to highlight a few issues there. Short version: - Try to avoid subjective statements. Statements like "C++ feels better" don't add anything to the discussion and are objectively wrong for