Re: [gentoo-dev] OT Who runs Gentoo was -> RFC: Userkit.eclass

2016-12-04 Thread Daniel Campbell
On 12/04/2016 10:10 AM, james wrote: > On 12/04/2016 02:22 AM, Robin H. Johnson wrote: >> On Sat, Dec 03, 2016 at 06:30:29PM -0500, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: Net Total: $50,924.19 >>> So from 09-16 avg of ~$4.6k per year over 11 years. >> 10 year

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT Who runs Gentoo was -> RFC: Userkit.eclass

2016-12-04 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Sun, 04 Dec 2016, William L Thomson wrote: > I hope that is still possible, and I am not sure if it was even in > 07-08. I am not tax expert, not a CPA or anything close. Likely need > to retain and speak to one. May have to refile and start over not > sure. > [...] Can you please move

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT Who runs Gentoo was -> RFC: Userkit.eclass

2016-12-04 Thread james
On 12/04/2016 02:22 AM, Robin H. Johnson wrote: On Sat, Dec 03, 2016 at 06:30:29PM -0500, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: Net Total: $50,924.19 So from 09-16 avg of ~$4.6k per year over 11 years. 10 years of participation, 9 of which we got paid for. So ~$5.7k/y

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT Who runs Gentoo was -> RFC: Userkit.eclass

2016-12-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Saturday, December 3, 2016 11:42:14 PM EST Daniel Campbell wrote: > > I just wanted to point this e-mail out and thank you for the effort > spent to share information like this. This is a great step, and once we > get the books in order, sharing this information using automated means > could get

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT Who runs Gentoo was -> RFC: Userkit.eclass

2016-12-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Sunday, December 4, 2016 7:22:51 AM EST Robin H. Johnson wrote: > On Sat, Dec 03, 2016 at 06:30:29PM -0500, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > > > > > Net Total: $50,924.19 > > > > > > > So from 09-16 avg of ~$4.6k per year over 11 years. > > 10 years of partic

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT Who runs Gentoo was -> RFC: Userkit.eclass

2016-12-03 Thread Daniel Campbell
On 12/03/2016 03:01 PM, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > On Sat, Dec 03, 2016 at 04:49:19PM -0500, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: >> No matter what terms you use, Google uses Gentoo to build products it makes >> money off. In that sense I think it could give back allot. If not in >> donations, resources

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT Who runs Gentoo was -> RFC: Userkit.eclass

2016-12-03 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Sat, Dec 03, 2016 at 06:30:29PM -0500, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > > > Net Total: $50,924.19 > > > So from 09-16 avg of ~$4.6k per year over 11 years. 10 years of participation, 9 of which we got paid for. So ~$5.7k/year. If we got paid for 2013: ~$5.4k/y

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT Who runs Gentoo was -> RFC: Userkit.eclass

2016-12-03 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
OT SNR Sorry but not sorry :) On Saturday, December 3, 2016 11:01:56 PM EST Robin H. Johnson wrote: > On Sat, Dec 03, 2016 at 04:49:19PM -0500, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > No matter what terms you use, Google uses Gentoo to build products it > > makes > > money off. In that sense I think it

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT Who runs Gentoo was -> RFC: Userkit.eclass

2016-12-03 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Sat, Dec 03, 2016 at 04:49:19PM -0500, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > No matter what terms you use, Google uses Gentoo to build products it makes > money off. In that sense I think it could give back allot. If not in > donations, resources (tinderbox), etc. Here's the financial parts of what

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT Who runs Gentoo was -> RFC: Userkit.eclass

2016-12-03 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Saturday, December 3, 2016 2:40:43 PM EST Alec Warner wrote: > > I don't think making headlines is a goal for the project. Making headlines and having attraction is usually something that matters in technology. Lots of obscure tech out there, no one writes about or cares about. Which leads t

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT Who runs Gentoo was -> RFC: Userkit.eclass

2016-12-03 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
WA OT :( On Saturday, December 3, 2016 5:34:56 PM EST Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 5:09 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. > > Actually, it is the opposite. When you spend money as an individual > in the US it normally doesn't lower your taxes unless there is some > special tax deduct

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT Who runs Gentoo was -> RFC: Userkit.eclass

2016-12-03 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 6:00 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > OT, who runs Gentoo > > On Saturday, December 3, 2016 12:21:55 AM EST Daniel Campbell wrote: > > > > Unless something's changed in the past year or two, iirc Sony uses > > Gentoo as part of the backend of Gaikai, Google's used it for

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT Who runs Gentoo was -> RFC: Userkit.eclass

2016-12-03 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 5:09 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > There is also the charitable donation and write off aspect. Which they may be > able to do. But since Gentoo has never received official 501c6 status or any > from the IRS. I am not sure if companies or anyone can actually write off a

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT Who runs Gentoo was -> RFC: Userkit.eclass

2016-12-03 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Saturday, December 3, 2016 1:56:40 PM EST Brian Dolbec wrote: > > Well, It does give back some. I know there are times patches are > pushed to gentoo from them. Yes, and they employ a couple current and former devs. At least one quite core > Plus we get financial support from them > via the

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT Who runs Gentoo was -> RFC: Userkit.eclass

2016-12-03 Thread Brian Dolbec
On Sat, 03 Dec 2016 16:49:19 -0500 "William L. Thomson Jr." wrote: > On Saturday, December 3, 2016 11:27:20 AM EST Brian Dolbec wrote: > > > > I think you will find that ChromeOS is not really based on Gentoo, > > but built using Gentoo as the base os it IS built from. It is > > still Linux base

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT Who runs Gentoo was -> RFC: Userkit.eclass

2016-12-03 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Saturday, December 3, 2016 11:27:20 AM EST Brian Dolbec wrote: > > I think you will find that ChromeOS is not really based on Gentoo, but > built using Gentoo as the base os it IS built from. It is still Linux > based, but ChromeOS doe not use ebuilds and such for normal > operations. But the

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT Who runs Gentoo was -> RFC: Userkit.eclass

2016-12-03 Thread Brian Dolbec
On Sat, 03 Dec 2016 12:08:44 -0500 "William L. Thomson Jr." wrote: > On Saturday, December 3, 2016 5:58:29 PM EST Tobias Klausmann wrote: > > Hi! > > > > On Sat, 03 Dec 2016, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > > Google has hired a few core developers as has Gaikai. Both seem > > > to be good, t

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT Who runs Gentoo was -> RFC: Userkit.eclass

2016-12-03 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Saturday, December 3, 2016 5:58:29 PM EST Tobias Klausmann wrote: > Hi! > > On Sat, 03 Dec 2016, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > Google has hired a few core developers as has Gaikai. Both seem > > to be good, though not sure Google is giving back as much given > > their financial benefit. Gai

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT Who runs Gentoo was -> RFC: Userkit.eclass

2016-12-03 Thread Tobias Klausmann
Hi! On Sat, 03 Dec 2016, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > Google has hired a few core developers as has Gaikai. Both seem > to be good, though not sure Google is giving back as much given > their financial benefit. Gaikai isn't selling an OS, but Google > is based on Gentoo... That last bit is no

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT Who runs Gentoo was -> RFC: Userkit.eclass

2016-12-03 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
Getting further off topic, rather not create noise to bother others, minimal below. On Saturday, December 3, 2016 9:36:47 AM EST Rich Freeman wrote: > > Sure, and it probably will be the state of things 20 years from now, > with Gentoo still having "little chance that even the minimum of > relea

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT Who runs Gentoo was -> RFC: Userkit.eclass

2016-12-03 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 9:20 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > Which was one of the last articles Gentoo mentioned in on Distro watch, till I > believe the OnHub router. Based around that topic, quoting Ciaran. > > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070312#future > > Most interesting abo

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT Who runs Gentoo was -> RFC: Userkit.eclass

2016-12-03 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Saturday, December 3, 2016 9:09:30 AM EST Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 9:00 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. > > wrote: > > OT, who runs Gentoo > > > > On Saturday, December 3, 2016 12:21:55 AM EST Daniel Campbell wrote: > >> There's also our downstream neighbors: Funtoo, Pentoo, Sa

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT Who runs Gentoo was -> RFC: Userkit.eclass

2016-12-03 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 9:00 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > OT, who runs Gentoo > On Saturday, December 3, 2016 12:21:55 AM EST Daniel Campbell wrote: > >> There's also our downstream neighbors: Funtoo, Pentoo, Sabayon, >> Calculate, Exherbo, etc > > Two of those are more of a splinter of the

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT Who runs Gentoo was -> RFC: Userkit.eclass

2016-12-03 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
OT, who runs Gentoo On Saturday, December 3, 2016 12:21:55 AM EST Daniel Campbell wrote: > > Unless something's changed in the past year or two, iirc Sony uses > Gentoo as part of the backend of Gaikai, Google's used it for the base > of ChromeOS... Also is the base of CoreOS, widely popular. Go