On Thu, 27 Mar 2014 03:53:47 +0100
yac y...@gentoo.org wrote:
What I was describing is the difference between fundamental properties
of categories and tags.
You are trying to redefine categories in terms of a concept that they
didn't originally represent. From a package mangler perspective,
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Ciaran McCreesh
ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Thu, 27 Mar 2014 03:53:47 +0100
yac y...@gentoo.org wrote:
What I was describing is the difference between fundamental properties
of categories and tags.
You are trying to redefine categories in terms
On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 15:46:49 -0400
Wyatt Epp wyatt@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Ciaran McCreesh
ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Thu, 27 Mar 2014 03:53:47 +0100
yac y...@gentoo.org wrote:
What I was describing is the difference between fundamental
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Ciaran McCreesh:
On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 15:46:49 -0400 Wyatt Epp wyatt@gmail.com
wrote:
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Ciaran McCreesh
ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Thu, 27 Mar 2014 03:53:47 +0100 yac y...@gentoo.org wrote:
What
On 25 March 2014 03:55, Damien Levac damien.le...@gmail.com wrote:
A lot of people already replied to this question: package search.
A trivial example, a user want to know all terminals available in portage.
Of course he could try a `emerge --searchdesc terminal`, but then he would
get
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 09:39:06 +1300
Kent Fredric kentfred...@gmail.com wrote:
On 25 March 2014 03:55, Damien Levac damien.le...@gmail.com wrote:
A lot of people already replied to this question: package search.
A trivial example, a user want to know all terminals available in
portage.
On 29 March 2014 09:56, yac y...@gentoo.org wrote:
terminal ∩ jabber ∩ client
And now you want *only* terminal terminals, do you have to search for
terminal ∩ !( jabber ∪ client ∪ everything ∪ else ) ?
Or
terminal ∩ emulator
( Which may include terminals for emulators instead of terminal
And now you file a bug to get that incorrectly applied terminal tag
changed to cli, because they don't mean the same thing.
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Kent Fredric kentfred...@gmail.com wrote:
On 29 March 2014 09:56, yac y...@gentoo.org wrote:
terminal ∩ jabber ∩ client
And now you
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Kent Fredric kentfred...@gmail.com wrote:
This example for me suggests we'll need to have some kind of process of
defining what tags should be used for what things, similar to how we have a
process for global USE, mostly, because inconsistency is a bad thing
On Monday 24 of March 2014 16:28:44 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 10:55:38 -0400
| Damien Levac damien.le...@gmail.com wrote:
| A lot of people already replied to this question: package search.
|
| Sure, but can you point to prior examples of this kind of stuff
| actually working?
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Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 15:46:49 -0400
Wyatt Epp wyatt@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Ciaran McCreesh
ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Thu, 27 Mar 2014 03:53:47 +0100
On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 18:31:45 +0100
Jeroen Roovers j...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 08:03:08 +0100
Jan Matejka y...@gentoo.org wrote:
No, categories are essentially directories.
fixed: categories are essentially also directories.
Also? No, categories are *essentially*
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On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 15:25:12 +0100
Jeroen Roovers j...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 12:36:19 +0100
Jan Matejka y...@gentoo.org wrote:
Categories are essentially tags, only less powerful as they can
express relationship of 1:N while
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On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 09:32:40 +0200
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
Who is going to approve/disapprove tagable attributes and the tags
themselves? How will you resolve disagreements people have?
Sounds like a job for QA
What
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On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 17:40:20 -0400
Joshua Kinard ku...@gentoo.org wrote:
TBH, I don't like the use of XML at all.
No, we don't need to go one level (format) deeper.
The 'all' thing is probably unnecessary
What problem does having 'all' tag
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On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 15:33:27 -0700
Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org wrote:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags
Object or forever hold your peace.
Or argue for 100 posts, either way.
-A
It might be worthwile to prototype this
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Jan Matejka:
I've always wondered is we allowed portage to have one
additional level of nesting if that'd help any (i.e., games-* -
games/*).
Squashing games-*/ to just games/ and defining genre by tags.
Seems pretty doable, I like this.
On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 08:03:08 +0100
Jan Matejka y...@gentoo.org wrote:
No, categories are essentially directories.
fixed: categories are essentially also directories.
Also? No, categories are *essentially* directories: they keep files
apart that should not go together. In precisely that way,
On 24/03/2014 02:43, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 23:47:22 +0200
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
Tags work best when they describe narrow, clearly defined attributes,
and the thing they are applied to can have one, two or more of these
attributes or sometimes even
On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 09:32:40 +0200
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On 24/03/2014 02:43, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 23:47:22 +0200
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
Tags work best when they describe narrow, clearly defined
attributes, and the thing
On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 12:36:19 +0100
Jan Matejka y...@gentoo.org wrote:
Categories are essentially tags, only less powerful as they can
express relationship of 1:N while tags are can express M:N
No, categories are essentially directories.
I was asking about tags, not about categories.
It
On 14-03-24 10:25 AM, Jeroen Roovers wrote:
On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 12:36:19 +0100
Jan Matejka y...@gentoo.org wrote:
Categories are essentially tags, only less powerful as they can
express relationship of 1:N while tags are can express M:N
No, categories are essentially directories.
I was
On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 10:55:38 -0400
Damien Levac damien.le...@gmail.com wrote:
A lot of people already replied to this question: package search.
I didn't ask for an explanation on the mailing list. I quoted [1]
because it needs to be more specific exactly where it needs to be more
specific. The
On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 10:55:38 -0400
Damien Levac damien.le...@gmail.com wrote:
A lot of people already replied to this question: package search.
Sure, but can you point to prior examples of this kind of stuff
actually working?
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On 14-03-24 12:28 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 10:55:38 -0400
Damien Levac damien.le...@gmail.com wrote:
A lot of people already replied to this question: package search.
Sure, but can you point to prior examples of this kind of stuff
actually working?
I have no example for
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Ciaran McCreesh
ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 10:55:38 -0400
Damien Levac damien.le...@gmail.com wrote:
A lot of people already replied to this question: package search.
Sure, but can you point to prior examples of this kind of
On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:31:43 -0400
Damien Levac damien.le...@gmail.com wrote:
That being said, I am surprised that having no example showing it
works should be a deal breaker for trying it out. Wouldn't that
mindset kill innovation?
I ask, because this isn't the first time tags have been
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 23:48:06 +
hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
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Alec Warner:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags
Object or forever hold your peace.
Or argue for 100 posts, either way.
Sounds good, but how do we get
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 15:33:27 -0700
Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org wrote:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags
Object or forever hold your peace.
Or argue for 100 posts, either way.
A possible problem with this would be whether much maintainers would be
concerned enough to spend their
Alec Warner dixit:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags
Without expecting to have any weight on the discussion, I just wanted to
let you know: As a system maintainer I like to use the categories, e.g.
when doing 'eix -I media-fonts/' or in package.use 'media-fonts/* X'.
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hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
Ciaran McCreesh:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 15:33:27 -0700 Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org
wrote:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags
And do what with them? Right now this is a solution without a
problem.
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Ciaran McCreesh:
On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 00:04:08 + hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org
wrote:
Ciaran McCreesh:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 15:33:27 -0700 Alec Warner
anta...@gentoo.org wrote:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags
And do what with
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 15:33:27 -0700
Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org wrote:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags
This GLEP author would love to blight categories out of gentoo
history as a giant mistake.
Why?
jer
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On 23/03/14 15:46, Jeroen Roovers wrote:
This GLEP author would love to blight categories out of gentoo
history as a giant mistake.
It does not matter. Just remove that line. It is irrelevant.
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On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:45 AM, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote:
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hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
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Alec Warner:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags
Object or forever hold your
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 15:33:27 -0700
Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org wrote:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags
Object or forever hold your peace.
Or argue for 100 posts, either way.
A possible problem with
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Alec Warner:
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:45 AM, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org
wrote: so I'm not entirely interested in tag consistency
What are they for then if I cannot efficiently use them to search for
software? (which I cannot, if there is no
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hasufell:
Alec Warner:
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:45 AM, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org
wrote: so I'm not entirely interested in tag consistency
What are they for then if I cannot efficiently use them to search
for software? (which I cannot,
Dnia 2014-03-22, o godz. 15:33:27
Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org napisał(a):
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags
Object or forever hold your peace.
Honestly, I don't think metadata.xml is a good place for it. While I
like the consistency with general use of that file, I feel like it's
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Michał Górny:
Dnia 2014-03-22, o godz. 15:33:27 Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org
napisał(a):
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags
Object or forever hold your peace.
I'd honestly prefer that -- if we should really keep tags in the
On 03/23/2014 15:44, Michał Górny wrote:
Dnia 2014-03-22, o godz. 15:33:27
Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org napisał(a):
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags
Object or forever hold your peace.
Honestly, I don't think metadata.xml is a good place for it. While I
like the consistency
Dnia 2014-03-23, o godz. 16:27:43
Joshua Kinard ku...@gentoo.org napisał(a):
On 03/23/2014 15:44, Michał Górny wrote:
Tags, on the other hand, are more 'live'. They place the package
somewhere in the 'global' tag hierarchy that can change over time.
I expect that people other than
On 03/23/2014 17:05, Michał Górny wrote:
Dnia 2014-03-23, o godz. 16:27:43
Joshua Kinard ku...@gentoo.org napisał(a):
On 03/23/2014 15:44, Michał Górny wrote:
Tags, on the other hand, are more 'live'. They place the package
somewhere in the 'global' tag hierarchy that can change over time.
On 23/03/2014 22:08, hasufell wrote:
Michał Górny:
Dnia 2014-03-22, o godz. 15:33:27 Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org
napisał(a):
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags
Object or forever hold your peace.
I'd honestly prefer that -- if we should really keep tags in the
tree -- to do
Dnia 2014-03-23, o godz. 17:40:20
Joshua Kinard ku...@gentoo.org napisał(a):
On 03/23/2014 17:05, Michał Górny wrote:
Dnia 2014-03-23, o godz. 16:27:43
Joshua Kinard ku...@gentoo.org napisał(a):
On 03/23/2014 15:44, Michał Górny wrote:
Tags, on the other hand, are more 'live'. They
On 03/23/2014 17:51, Michał Górny wrote:
Dnia 2014-03-23, o godz. 17:40:20
Joshua Kinard ku...@gentoo.org napisał(a):
On 03/23/2014 17:05, Michał Górny wrote:
Dnia 2014-03-23, o godz. 16:27:43
Joshua Kinard ku...@gentoo.org napisał(a):
On 03/23/2014 15:44, Michał Górny wrote:
Tags, on
On 24 March 2014 11:54, Joshua Kinard ku...@gentoo.org wrote:
That said, Is XML that specific that every single atom has to be wrapped by
an individual tag? A comma-separated list of values in its own XML tag is
prohibited by the spec? I don't use XML often (if at all), so I am not
familiar
On 03/23/2014 19:18, Kent Fredric wrote:
On 24 March 2014 11:54, Joshua Kinard ku...@gentoo.org wrote:
That said, Is XML that specific that every single atom has to be wrapped by
an individual tag? A comma-separated list of values in its own XML tag is
prohibited by the spec? I don't use
On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 23:47:22 +0200
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
Tags work best when they describe narrow, clearly defined attributes,
and the thing they are applied to can have one, two or more of these
attributes or sometimes even none. Music and movie genres are an
excellent
On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 16:03:38 +0100
Alexander Berntsen berna...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 23/03/14 15:46, Jeroen Roovers wrote:
This GLEP author would love to blight categories out of gentoo
history as a giant mistake.
That's not what I wrote. It's a quotation.
It does not matter. Just remove
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org wrote:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags
Ack, this had to happen on a weekend when I wasn't paying attention!
And you beat me to it, too-- I was working on something in this vein,
but wasn't quite satisfied with the design
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags
Object or forever hold your peace.
Or argue for 100 posts, either way.
-A
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Alec Warner:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags
Object or forever hold your peace.
Or argue for 100 posts, either way.
-A
Sounds good, but how do we get consistency in there? I mean... this
only works if we have some sort of
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 15:33:27 -0700
Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org wrote:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags
And do what with them? Right now this is a solution without a problem.
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On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 7:48 PM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags
Sounds good, but how do we get consistency in there? I mean... this
only works if we have some sort of consensus about tag names, at least
more common ones.
The alternative to
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On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 15:33:27 -0700 Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org
wrote:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags
And do what with them? Right now this is a solution without a
problem.
Finding packages. Descriptions are
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