On 8/16/2012 6:26 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
The limited-visibility build feature discussed a week or so ago would
go a long way in detecting unexpressed build dependencies.
[snip]
If portage has the
dependency tree in RAM
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
It also sounds like something like that could be a benefit to shrinking
@system.
I think the solution to the circular dependency issue isn't to make
Portage able to completely bootstrap the whole system, but rather just
to
On 08/16/2012 04:59 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
And since ssh was brought up - this is what happens with hacks like
this. When you combine the default install with the minimum deps
for everything list you end up with an ssh you can't get rid of
without the package.provided hack (which really
On 8/16/2012 4:59 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
It also sounds like something like that could be a benefit to shrinking @system.
I think the solution to the circular dependency issue isn't to make
Portage able to completely
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Gregory M. Turner g...@malth.us wrote:
On 8/16/2012 4:59 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
[snip]
tldr: I like, approve and otherwise +1 the idea of somehow paring down or
eliminating @system but I think it's going to be fairly challenging, so more
discussion on this
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
The limited-visibility build feature discussed a week or so ago would
go a long way in detecting unexpressed build dependencies.
I can't say that is a coincidence, but my intent would be to include
@system as implicit
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
The limited-visibility build feature discussed a week or so ago would
go a long way in detecting unexpressed build dependencies.
I can't say that is a
Rich Freeman posted on Wed, 15 Aug 2012 06:27:41 -0400 as excerpted:
Right now having decent KDE and Gnome support with all the bells and
whistles[...] isn't that hard, [It] will likely get harder, which means
in practice what we'll probably have is a reasonable compromise which
will never be
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
Rich Freeman posted on Wed, 15 Aug 2012 06:27:41 -0400 as excerpted:
Right now having decent KDE and Gnome support with all the bells and
whistles[...] isn't that hard, [It] will likely get harder, which means
in practice
On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:18:24 -0400
Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
I've occasionally noticed portage tell me about circular dependencies,
where the most straight forward resolution is to emerge some package
in the loop twice. The first time, with a USE flag disabled (avahi and
gtk are the
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Ciaran McCreesh
ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:18:24 -0400
Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
I've occasionally noticed portage tell me about circular dependencies,
where the most straight forward resolution is to emerge some
Peter Stuge posted on Sun, 12 Aug 2012 02:12:38 +0200 as excerpted:
viv...@gmail.com wrote:
First problem udev/SD has is that it can't see all the file system
labels, for some reason it only see sda and sdb so it's able to partly
proceed in the boot sequence, mount / (root) but can't mount
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 5:43 AM, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
Peter Stuge posted on Sun, 12 Aug 2012 02:12:38 +0200 as excerpted:
What software parses the filesystem labels when you boot with openrc?
(I ask because I never use labels myself.)
Short answer, mount and udev, and the
Il 12/08/2012 11:43, Duncan ha scritto:
Peter Stuge posted on Sun, 12 Aug 2012 02:12:38 +0200 as excerpted:
viv...@gmail.com wrote:
First problem udev/SD has is that it can't see all the file system
labels, for some reason it only see sda and sdb so it's able to partly
proceed in the boot
Il 12/08/2012 14:25, Rich Freeman ha scritto:
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 5:43 AM, Duncan1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
Peter Stuge posted on Sun, 12 Aug 2012 02:12:38 +0200 as excerpted:
What software parses the filesystem labels when you boot with openrc?
(I ask because I never use labels
Rich Freeman schrieb:
So, I could see how many linux users might think that interpreting a
complex root= parameter is a kernel function, when it is really just
the fact that they use an initramfs.
If somebody is running with root=LABEL=foo or something like that
without an initramfs I'll
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
I think that people get this confused because 99% of linux users have
an initramfs (and about 2% of Gentoo users it seems), and most
initramfs implementations DO interpret the root=parameter. If you
specify an initramfs
Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn posted on Sun, 12 Aug 2012 15:43:02 +0200 as
excerpted:
Rich Freeman schrieb:
So, I could see how many linux users might think that interpreting a
complex root= parameter is a kernel function, when it is really just
the fact that they use an initramfs.
If
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 05:04:40 + (UTC)
Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
Michał Górny posted on Thu, 09 Aug 2012 22:47:38 +0200 as excerpted:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 22:30:02 +0200 Luca Barbato lu_z...@gentoo.org
wrote:
On 08/09/2012 09:43 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012
On 08/10/2012 09:43 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
vdr is a first example which comes to my mind. They workaround program
configuration limitations and the init.d scripts become a complex
extra-configuration parser + plugin loader. Well, another thing here is
that upstream AFAIK is not willing to
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 4:45 AM, Luca Barbato lu_z...@gentoo.org wrote:
The whole point of the debate should be if easier to have systemd split
itself in usable components so people with certain focuses could
leverage it on linux and replace those on non-linux (apparently not a
chance) or have
Michał Górny posted on Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:43:26 +0200 as excerpted:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 05:04:40 + (UTC)
Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
Michał Górny posted on Thu, 09 Aug 2012 22:47:38 +0200 as excerpted:
Or anything else what can be spawned for shell. And a lot more what
you
Michał Górny posted on Thu, 09 Aug 2012 22:47:38 +0200 as excerpted:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 22:30:02 +0200 Luca Barbato lu_z...@gentoo.org
wrote:
On 08/09/2012 09:43 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 10:42:15 +0200 Luca Barbato lu_z...@gentoo.org
wrote:
[W]e could discuss about
Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn posted on Fri, 10 Aug 2012 01:26:53 +0200 as
excerpted:
Olivier Crête schrieb:
Can we also have a desktop that doesn't use X?
Yes, through Wayland or DirectFB.
aolMe too!/aol
Seriously, they're working on it, ubuntu already has a target switch-to
date (tho
Michał Górny posted on Tue, 07 Aug 2012 22:13:21 +0200 as excerpted:
Sorry for the confusion caused to you and the others. You need to read
it bottom-to-top. I reversed the line order for Sylvain who seems to
prefer reading that way.
LOL! THAT's what it was! Along the same lines...
On 8 August 2012 22:55, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
LOL! THAT's what it was! Along the same lines...
...senil emas eht gnolA !saw ti tahw s'TAHT !LOL
http://www.textreverse.com/
(While the link I had saved was stale it did mean I still remembered
enough about it to plug the idea
Kent Fredric wrote:
(While the link I had saved was stale it did mean I still remembered
enough about it to plug the idea into google and successfully find it.
Link updated. =:^)
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=reverse+hgual%20doog%20a%20ekil%20sdnuos%20taht
Google not required ;D
Internet
Dale posted on Tue, 07 Aug 2012 16:36:30 -0500 as excerpted:
What I don't like about the way Walter, mdev, is being treated is this.
People say that if you don't like the way udev is going, WRITE CODE. If
you are not going to write code, don't complain about udev. Then
Walter, I think I got
Duncan wrote:
I believe there's quite a few list readers who have a similar respect
for his efforts.
I believe so too!
I think it's a great effort. It may not fit my use cases, but I don't
care about that - even if it is *only* Walter scratching his own itch
I agree that it's important to show
Peter Stuge posted on Wed, 08 Aug 2012 13:22:54 +0200 as excerpted:
Internet not required:
$ rev foobar
raboof
$ tac [...]
Thanks.
I'd read about those before (at least tac), but they aren't links (stale
or not), so I'd forgotten them...
Hmm... links to the manpages might solve that!
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