Jim Northrup wrote:
Aron Griffis wrote:
This is kinda bloggish, because it's basically a transcription of an
IRC monologue. My apologies if it's hard to follow...
This thread started out garnering cheers of elitest developer
sentiment. There was even some mention of if they
Aron Griffis wrote:
This is kinda bloggish, because it's basically a transcription of an
IRC monologue. My apologies if it's hard to follow...
This thread started out garnering cheers of elitest developer
sentiment. There was even some mention of if they don't like it they
can run something
* On Sun Jun-12-2005 at 01:33:02 PM -0700, Zac Medico said:
Athul Acharya wrote:
[...]
I mean lets face it, a distro that's largely DIY is hardly a good
first Linux, but an excellent second Linux and indeed thats the very
reason why I use Gentoo. Let Redhat/Fedora/Mandrake do the initial
So to sum it up, it's not really (for me maybe) about enterprise v. hobbyist,
it's about moving ANYONE over to Linux, period.
Actually, I rather like to think that Gentoo is one of the very few
distributions that cares more about meeting existing Linux
[power]users' needs rather than getting
Athul Acharya wrote:
So to sum it up, it's not really (for me maybe) about enterprise v. hobbyist,
it's about moving ANYONE over to Linux, period.
Actually, I rather like to think that Gentoo is one of the very few
distributions that cares more about meeting existing Linux
[power]users'
I think the actual idea of what Gentoo does is much larger than people tend to
realize it. When Linux first came out, it was a hacker's choice and has now
expanded into something much greater than Linus himself I think had ever
anticipated.
Now, when this whole idea of distributions came to
Stuart Herbert wrote:
There have been some really interesting points brought up recently
about where is Gentoo going?
It feels like this topic comes up every year :)
I'd say it should come up a little more often :)
I have been wondering that myself.
Some people seem to think that Gentoo has
There have been some really interesting points brought up recently
about where is Gentoo going?
It feels like this topic comes up every year :)
I have been wondering that myself.
Some people seem to think that Gentoo has the potential to be an
enterprise player.
Maybe, maybe not ...
Stuart Herbert wrote: [Thu Jun 09 2005, 06:32:04PM EDT]
I'd like Gentoo to be a place where neat things are developed.
Aren't we really a place where neat things are packaged up?
Hopefully both! :-)
Regarding the rest of your email, I don't disagree. I think that if
you read my
On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 08:14 +0300, Alin Nastac wrote:
Chris Gianelloni wrote:
On Mon, 2005-06-06 at 19:55 -0400, Aron Griffis wrote:
Also I find it amusing when people say that Gentoo exists for the
users. I think that is wrong. Gentoo exists for the *developers*.
This is
Note: I've snipped a lot of quoted text below, but took full context
into account in my replies...
Lance Albertson wrote:[Mon Jun 06 2005, 09:02:21PM EDT]
I'd say as a global goal, yes I'd agree with you. Gentoo as a global
entity should stay where its at, but that doesn't mean a subset of
Hi,
Aron Griffis wrote:
I think that attempting to take Gentoo in the enterprise direction
is a mistake. I think that we are a hobbyist distribution. This
doesn't mean that we should not strive to meet some of the enterprise
goals. Those things can be important to hobbyists too. But I
On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 11:08 -0400, Aron Griffis wrote:
Ah, sorry, that isn't quite what I meant. Rather I intended to point
out that we should not be deluded into thinking that the changes
required for Gentoo to be enterprise-ready are small. Some of the
changes are surmountable, but each
Aron Griffis wrote:[Tue Jun 07 2005, 11:08:58AM EDT]
I think that the big companies (including HP, who has also donated
tens of thousands of dollars of equipment btw) see a lot of
potential in Gentoo.
Btw, as an hp employee I hope you'll forgive me for tooting the hp
horn a little bit... I
Hello,
A user wrote to me personally:
i thought several times if i wanted to reply at all, and after
i wrote my mail if i really should send it out. I finally decided to
send it off list since this might just end up in flames on the list.
I hope you don't mind I'm putting this back on the
Hi,
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 03:18:03PM -0400, Aron Griffis wrote:
Maybe i've just gotten your statement really wrong, but as far
i understand it, i really have a bad feeling about it.
[..]
I hope that this clears up your confusion and puts us on the same team
again.
Yeah, that cleared up a
On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 07:55:50PM -0400, Aron Griffis wrote:
We understand when real life gets in
the way of bug-fixing, because all our developers are volunteers.
I never ever would have considered becoming a developer if this hadn't
been the case. I have my day job to worry about
There have been some really interesting points brought up recently
about where is Gentoo going? I have been wondering that myself.
I really appreciate that you had the initiative to start this conversation.
I also agree that its a lingering problem that needs to be addressed
clearly.
Some
On Mon, 2005-06-06 at 19:55 -0400, Aron Griffis wrote:
This is kinda bloggish, because it's basically a transcription of an
IRC monologue. My apologies if it's hard to follow... Nonetheless,
I'm interested in how other developers feel on the topics I bring up
below.
snip
Also I find it
On Mon, 2005-06-06 at 20:36 -0400, Colin Kingsley wrote:
Thats certaintly not to say that I'm against progress, but if people
want support contracts, the absolute ultimate in stability, and install
CD's shipped in pretty boxes with manuals, there are other distros
available for them.
What's
On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 13:56 -0400, Aron Griffis wrote:
I spend *at least* 1/3 of my time working on Gentoo. Without getting
into a salary discussion, that's hp donating tens of thousands of
dollars per year.
Now whether you all consider my involvement to be worth that much is
a different
On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 18:38 -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
...and you *still* haven't gotten an ia64 livecd built? For shame!
He's getting close.. Just got some more hardware put into dolphin last
week, and it has a spindle of blanks sitting right on top of it. so
umm, yeah, that's a start
Chris Gianelloni wrote: [Tue Jun 07 2005, 06:38:41PM EDT]
...and you *still* haven't gotten an ia64 livecd built? For shame!
SO TRUE.
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Aron Griffis
Gentoo Linux Developer
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Matthew Marlowe wrote:
A clueful sysadmin with gentoo is a far superior arrangement
provided the rate of hardware installs isn't too much. For very large
environments with 100+ boxes, I'd definitly agree with you that
gentoo has a long way to go.
Well ... as far as I'm concerned, clueful
Chris Gianelloni wrote:
On Mon, 2005-06-06 at 19:55 -0400, Aron Griffis wrote:
Also I find it amusing when people say that Gentoo exists for the
users. I think that is wrong. Gentoo exists for the *developers*.
This is the reason why *I* use/develop Gentoo. I love it. I could care
This is kinda bloggish, because it's basically a transcription of an
IRC monologue. My apologies if it's hard to follow... Nonetheless,
I'm interested in how other developers feel on the topics I bring up
below.
There have been some really interesting points brought up recently
about where is
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Aron Griffis wrote:
I have worked in the enterprise
UNIX market for 6 years. My code is running in places like NASA
mission control, 9-1-1 call centers, and most of the telephone
carriers. I've produced patches on weekends to close $800m deals.
On Mon, 2005-06-06 at 19:55 -0400, Aron Griffis wrote:
snip
In my humble opinion, Gentoo is missing too many points to be an
enterprise Linux. We commit to a live tree. We don't have true QA,
testing or tinderbox. We don't have paid staff, alpha/beta/rc cycles.
We don't really have
On Monday 06 June 2005 16:55, Aron Griffis wrote:
I think that attempting to take Gentoo in the enterprise direction
is a mistake. I think that we are a hobbyist distribution. This
doesn't mean that we should not strive to meet some of the enterprise
goals. Those things can be important to
On Mon, 2005-06-06 at 19:55 -0400, Aron Griffis wrote:
In my humble opinion, Gentoo is missing too many points to be an
enterprise Linux. We commit to a live tree. We don't have true QA,
testing or tinderbox. We don't have paid staff, alpha/beta/rc cycles.
We don't really have product
On Monday 06 June 2005 19:45, Collins Richey wrote:
2. Enterprise users (as a general rule) are not interested in the
latest and greatest but rather in a stable, reasonably current system
that can remain in place (with guaranteed security fixes, of course)
with no feature creep for a few
On Monday 06 June 2005 20:36, Mike Frysinger wrote:
you really cant make that kind of general statement and expect it to
hold ... often times there are packages where newer versions suck more
than previous ones (the way in which they suck i leave up to your
imagination) ... security/stable
On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 07:55:50PM -0400, Aron Griffis wrote:
I'd like Gentoo to be a place where neat things are developed.
If RH or SuSE (or another for-profit Linux vendor) wants to take some
of those developments and use them to make a profit, that's fine with
me. We're over here having
I'm not a developer, but I'm a Gentoo bigot and I'd like to join the
discussion :).
Aron Griffis wrote:
In my humble opinion, Gentoo is missing too many points to be an
enterprise Linux. We commit to a live tree. We don't have true QA,
testing or tinderbox. We don't have paid staff,
On Mon, 2005-06-06 at 21:51 -0700, Greg KH wrote:
One thing that people might want to remember, if Gentoo ever changes
into a real, we take your money for support type of distro, a lot of
the employers of the us developers might reconsider allowing them to
participate. Which would pretty
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
I've got a Zaurus; it's running some kind of Linux
and I'll probably put Gentoo on it when I get some spare cycles,
provided Gentoo runs on the 6000. But I'm sure as hell not gonna try to
run R or TeXmacs or Maxima on it!
Dang -- I just remembered -- I *am*
On Jun 6, 2005, at 4:55 PM, Aron Griffis wrote:
This is kinda bloggish, because it's basically a transcription of an
IRC monologue. My apologies if it's hard to follow... Nonetheless,
I'm interested in how other developers feel on the topics I bring up
below.
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