Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Moving more architectures to ~arch only

2021-11-04 Thread Rolf Eike Beer
> My machines should actually do some useful stuff, like running my Nagios and > a bunch of nightly builds (CMake, libarchive, things like that). For that, > I'd like to have the actual system to work. Given the amount of breakage I > find when doing stabilizations I suspect this is not going to

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Moving more architectures to ~arch only

2021-11-04 Thread Marek Szuba
Sorry about a long delay responding, I ended up being offline until the end of last week and I've had quite a lot of catching up. Anyway, let me begin by addressing a sentiment expressed independently in several responses and which could be summarised as "just come and help". A laudable idea

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Moving more architectures to ~arch only

2021-10-20 Thread Rolf Eike Beer
Am Montag, 18. Oktober 2021, 03:08:52 CEST schrieb John Helmert III: > On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 02:25:47AM +0200, Thomas Deutschmann wrote: > > On 2021-10-14 15:40, Marek Szuba wrote: > > > WDYT? > > > > Could you please elaborate what you are expecting from this change? > > > > I.e. will this

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Moving more architectures to ~arch only

2021-10-19 Thread Thomas Deutschmann
On 2021-10-18 19:07, Michał Górny wrote: Security team arbitrarily deciding that an architecture is unsupported while otherwise it's supported in Gentoo doesn't change anything. Sure, you can close bugs and pretend that a problem doesn't exist... except that you can't if you can't remove the

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Moving more architectures to ~arch only

2021-10-18 Thread Michał Górny
On Mon, 2021-10-18 at 17:09 +0200, Thomas Deutschmann wrote: > On 2021-10-18 03:08, John Helmert III wrote: > > A security bug, for example, is currently blocked for almost a month > > waiting for hppa stabilization [1], and this isn't the first time > > we've had to wait for a "slower" arch on a

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Moving more architectures to ~arch only

2021-10-18 Thread Thomas Deutschmann
On 2021-10-18 03:08, John Helmert III wrote: A security bug, for example, is currently blocked for almost a month waiting for hppa stabilization [1], and this isn't the first time we've had to wait for a "slower" arch on a security bug. Excuse me? How is this possible? We have that Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Moving more architectures to ~arch only

2021-10-17 Thread John Helmert III
On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 02:25:47AM +0200, Thomas Deutschmann wrote: > On 2021-10-14 15:40, Marek Szuba wrote: > > WDYT? > > Could you please elaborate what you are expecting from this change? > > I.e. will this solve any problem (please name it)? Will it allow us to > move forward where we are

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Moving more architectures to ~arch only

2021-10-17 Thread Sam James
> On 18 Oct 2021, at 01:50, Sam James wrote: > > > >> On 14 Oct 2021, at 14:40, Marek Szuba wrote: >> >> Dear everyone, >> >> Following some private discussions, I feel quite strongly now that it would >> both considerably improve certain processes and make our use of limited >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Moving more architectures to ~arch only

2021-10-17 Thread Sam James
> On 14 Oct 2021, at 14:40, Marek Szuba wrote: > > Dear everyone, > > Following some private discussions, I feel quite strongly now that it would > both considerably improve certain processes and make our use of limited > manpower more efficient were we to further reduce the number of

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Moving more architectures to ~arch only

2021-10-17 Thread Thomas Deutschmann
On 2021-10-14 15:40, Marek Szuba wrote: WDYT? Could you please elaborate what you are expecting from this change? I.e. will this solve any problem (please name it)? Will it allow us to move forward where we are blocked at the moment (please name it)? I am really curious what you are going

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Moving more architectures to ~arch only

2021-10-16 Thread William Hubbs
On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 03:40:02PM +0200, Marek Szuba wrote: > Dear everyone, > > Following some private discussions, I feel quite strongly now that it > would both considerably improve certain processes and make our use of > limited manpower more efficient were we to further reduce the number

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Moving more architectures to ~arch only

2021-10-16 Thread Michał Górny
On Fri, 2021-10-15 at 23:40 +0200, Rolf Eike Beer wrote: > We have already removed many stable packages from hppa, just to reduce the > amount of work. If sparc really becomes a problem I suspect that dropping > most > of the multimedia or whatever stuff there could also reduce the amount of >

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Moving more architectures to ~arch only

2021-10-15 Thread Rolf Eike Beer
Am Donnerstag, 14. Oktober 2021, 15:40:02 CEST schrieb Marek Szuba: > Dear everyone, > > Following some private discussions, I feel quite strongly now that it > would both considerably improve certain processes and make our use of > limited manpower more efficient were we to further reduce the

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Moving more architectures to ~arch only

2021-10-15 Thread Mikhail Koliada
On 14.10.2021 16:40, Marek Szuba wrote: Dear everyone, Following some private discussions, I feel quite strongly now that it would both considerably improve certain processes and make our use of limited manpower more efficient were we to further reduce the number of stable arches in Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Moving more architectures to ~arch only

2021-10-15 Thread Agostino Sarubbo
On giovedì 14 ottobre 2021 15:40:02 CEST Marek Szuba wrote: > WDYT? I agree for arches that have exotic hardware but I'd keep x86 since testing can be done on amd64 via 32bit chroot. On the other hand I'm pretty sure we have few x86 users so, sooner or later, x86 will go into ~arch as well.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Moving more architectures to ~arch only

2021-10-15 Thread Joonas Niilola
On 14.10.2021 20.10, Michał Górny wrote: > On Thu, 2021-10-14 at 15:40 +0200, Marek Szuba wrote: >> Dear everyone, >> >> Following some private discussions, I feel quite strongly now that it >> would both considerably improve certain processes and make our use of >> limited manpower more

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Moving more architectures to ~arch only

2021-10-14 Thread Michał Górny
On Thu, 2021-10-14 at 15:40 +0200, Marek Szuba wrote: > Dear everyone, > > Following some private discussions, I feel quite strongly now that it > would both considerably improve certain processes and make our use of > limited manpower more efficient were we to further reduce the number of >

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Moving more architectures to ~arch only

2021-10-14 Thread Roy Bamford
On 2021.10.14 14:40, Marek Szuba wrote: > Dear everyone, > > Following some private discussions, I feel quite strongly now that it > would both considerably improve certain processes and make our use of > limited manpower more efficient were we to further reduce the number > of > stable arches