On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 21:42:07 +0100
Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:04:10 +0200 Kevin F. Quinn
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| If it were to be implemented with symlinks (implying one entry is
| real and the others are aliases) the package manager just needs to
|
On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 13:35:08 -0700
Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Jul 22, 2006 at 06:04:10PM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 01:05:20 -0700
Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Unfortunately the category system is deeply embedded in portage
and
On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 12:19:28 +0100
Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
An advantage to this approach is that package moves just become
aliases
- existing stuff doesn't break yet you get the new categorisation as
well.
That's actually a disadvantage. The
Stuart Herbert wrote:
Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
An advantage to this approach is that package moves just become aliases
- existing stuff doesn't break yet you get the new categorisation as
well.
That's actually a disadvantage. The whole point of moving a package is
to take it *out* of its
On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 02:47:46PM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 12:19:28 +0100
Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just adding an alias
into a second category makes the tree more of a mess - not less.
The alias, once setup, can be left alone forever. As far as
On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:23:59 -0700
Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 02:47:46PM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 12:19:28 +0100
Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just adding an alias
into a second category makes the tree more of a
On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:50:42 +0200 Kevin F. Quinn
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| As I said (and you seemed to have ignored), mandating tree access
| to use the vdb or a standalone binpkg repository == no go.
|
| I didn't ignore it - I didn't get it when you first said it. What
| you're saying (?)
Jakub Moc wrote:
as .cfg_** files. The end user still has to run an etc-update and
pray that it was not a file he/she had in masking.
Err, no? You don't need to run etc-update/dispatch-conf to get those
updated on package moves.
Incorrect. You do have to run etc-update/dispatch-conf.
Best
Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
An advantage to this approach is that package moves just become aliases
- existing stuff doesn't break yet you get the new categorisation as
well.
That's actually a disadvantage. The whole point of moving a package is to
take it *out* of its existing category. Just
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:24:55 -0700
Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 08:41:46PM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 00:37:47 -0700
Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 09:05:03AM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
On
On Wed, 2006-07-19 at 17:10 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:10:51 -0400 Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Every single year quarter after quarter the more updates
| that happen the slower portage is becoming.
| Care to solve that?
This is a minute amount of time in
Ned Ludd wrote:
| Well it should.
|
| package.keywords package.use package.mask etc..
|
| Where is the stability and consistency when we end up
| forcing people to update /etc/portage files...
Erm... Portage updates these automatically.
as .cfg_** files. The end user still has to
Jakub Moc wrote:
Erm... Portage updates these automatically.
as .cfg_** files. The end user still has to run an etc-update and
pray that it was not a file he/she had in masking.
Err, no? You don't need to run etc-update/dispatch-conf to get those
updated on package moves.
Err, yes. At
On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 01:05:20 -0700
Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Unfortunately the category system is deeply embedded in portage
and the tree, so changing that system is simply not going to
happen, which is why I've stopped whinging about the semantic
inadequacy of the system.
On Sat, Jul 22, 2006 at 06:04:10PM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 01:05:20 -0700
Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Unfortunately the category system is deeply embedded in portage
and the tree, so changing that system is simply not going to
happen, which is why
On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:04:10 +0200 Kevin F. Quinn
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| If it were to be implemented with symlinks (implying one entry is
| real and the others are aliases) the package manager just needs to
| canonicalise any symlinked CPs it comes across.
Not that simple. Think about
On 7/19/06, Kevin F. Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In my opinion moving packages from one category to another just causes
unnecessary disruption to the tree - all relevant dependencies
throughout the tree have to be altered, putting current installations
out-of-date with respect to it.
Some
On Fri, Jul 21, 2006 at 08:44:35AM +0100, Stuart Herbert wrote:
In fact, categories do not give us the complete ability to have two
packages with the same upstream name in the tree ... because binary
packages do not support category names at all.
B.
They do actually- the bintree
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:10:51 -0400 Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Every single year quarter after quarter the more updates
| that happen the slower portage is becoming.
| Care to solve that?
This is a minute amount of time in comparison to anything significant.
If you care about Portage
On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 01:05:20 -0700 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| Just so we're clear, I probably will wedgie anyone who suggests
| trying to extend the existing tree format with N categories per pkg-
| sounds nice on paper, but it makes lookup a serious pita-
| sys-apps/portage, we'll
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:15:38 +0100
Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:57:32 +0200 Kevin F. Quinn
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Things that package moves cause:
| 1) Dependencies throughout the tree have to be updated
And? This isn't a breakage.
It is however
On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 09:05:03AM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:15:38 +0100
Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:57:32 +0200 Kevin F. Quinn
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Things that package moves cause:
| 1) Dependencies throughout the
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:05:03 +0200 Kevin F. Quinn
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:15:38 +0100
| Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:57:32 +0200 Kevin F. Quinn
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| | Things that package moves cause:
| | 1) Dependencies
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 00:37:47 -0700
Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 09:05:03AM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:15:38 +0100
Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:57:32 +0200 Kevin F. Quinn
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 08:41:46PM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 00:37:47 -0700
Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 09:05:03AM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:15:38 +0100
Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 2006-07-20 at 13:24 -0700, Brian Harring wrote:
Not much experience then. Your use scenario above is I'm looking
for a package, not I'm trying to find packages in category x.
Of course categories don't matter to you in your case- you're not
*using* them. What others are talking
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:40:07 +0100
Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:18:22 +0200 Kevin F. Quinn
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Uh, as far as I recall, you've yet to come up with any technical
| explanation other than it breaks one of my pet projects... The
|
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:57:32 +0200 Kevin F. Quinn
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Things that package moves cause:
| 1) Dependencies throughout the tree have to be updated
And? This isn't a breakage.
| 2) Current installations become inconsistent with respect to the tree
Uh, current installations
On Tue, 2006-07-18 at 14:53 +0200, Stefan Schweizer wrote:
Hi,
the herd of voip packages is constantly growing and according to
herdstat -p voip we already have 60 packages in the voip herd. Those are
currently in the categories net-misc, net-im, net-libs, dev-libs and
media-libs. Most of
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:34:37 -0400 Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Creation of a new categories is fine. pkg moves are bad.
| See the countless other posting on this subject of why pkg
| moves are bad.
Uh, as far as I recall, you've yet to come up with any technical
explanation other than
On Tue, 2006-07-18 at 15:15 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:34:37 -0400 Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Creation of a new categories is fine. pkg moves are bad.
| See the countless other posting on this subject of why pkg
| moves are bad.
Uh, as far as I recall,
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:17:30 -0400 Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Uh, as far as I recall, you've yet to come up with any technical
| explanation other than it breaks one of my pet projects... The
| gains of consistency and manageability far outweigh the minor
| inconvenience.
|
| There
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