Re: [gentoo-dev] aging ebuilds with unstable keywords
On Monday 10 April 2006 05:26, Daniel Ahlberg wrote: * if ebuild has $PN in SRC_URI (cosmetic). Why is this one bad? It creates some flexibility, and has the name of the package in one place only. Paul -- Paul de Vrieze Gentoo Developer Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net pgp5O9JkRibwv.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] Re: aging ebuilds with unstable keywords
Because you can't cut-n-paste the url when editing the ebuild. Michael Sterrett -Mr. Bones.- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 10 Apr 2006, Paul de Vrieze wrote: On Monday 10 April 2006 05:26, Daniel Ahlberg wrote: * if ebuild has $PN in SRC_URI (cosmetic). Why is this one bad? It creates some flexibility, and has the name of the package in one place only. Paul -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Using subversion eclass for snapshots
I've been working on an ebuild that, ideally, would use the subversion eclass to checkout a snapshot of the ebuild (this is for local program). I plan to just put the repository version in the ebuild PV - ie: myprogram-224.ebuild. The problem is that portage always want to re-emerge this package during an update (presumably because it think that svn ebuilds are live ebuilds). I want to trick it into not doing this. I don't see anything obvious in the subversion eclass that would allow for this. Any thoughts? -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Using subversion eclass for snapshots
On Monday 10 April 2006 08:09, Caleb Tennis wrote: I've been working on an ebuild that, ideally, would use the subversion eclass to checkout a snapshot of the ebuild (this is for local program). I plan to just put the repository version in the ebuild PV - ie: myprogram-224.ebuild. doesnt this put unnecessary load on the project's servers ? a better idea imho would be to tar up that snapshot and put it on the mirrors The problem is that portage always want to re-emerge this package during an update (presumably because it think that svn ebuilds are live ebuilds). I want to trick it into not doing this. I don't see anything obvious in the subversion eclass that would allow for this. this sounds like a portage bug to me ... -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: aging ebuilds with unstable keywords
On Monday 10 April 2006 04:19, Michael Sterrett -Mr. Bones.- wrote: On Mon, 10 Apr 2006, Paul de Vrieze wrote: On Monday 10 April 2006 05:26, Daniel Ahlberg wrote: * if ebuild has $PN in SRC_URI (cosmetic). Why is this one bad? It creates some flexibility, and has the name of the package in one place only. Because you can't cut-n-paste the url when editing the ebuild. eh ? a sourceforge SRC_URI that uses $PN can easily be cut paste ... -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo theming during bootup
On Sat, 2006-04-08 at 19:15 +, Wiktor Wandachowicz wrote: Carsten Lohrke carlo at gentoo.org writes: How do you want not to enforce it? Have you actually read the proposal? It's quite sensible and is entitled: Proposal: Integrated boot themes on LiveCDs and installations I suppose that the themes would be defaulted to on the LiveCDs and optional for regular installations - typical emerge-if-you-need-it situation. Funny enough, this was something that I heard requested *many times* when we were at the booth at LWE. Many of our users think that upstream defaults are ugly. I tend to agree. I would love to see the branding USE flag added *and used* to give us themes. One of the main reasons that I chose Gnome over KDE originally was that Gnome had the nice little Gentoo splash and gdm already had Gentoo themes (even if they were not the default). It just also happened that later when I tried to build a KDE-only CD that I couldn't get it to fit on the CD along with the other stuff, meaning I would have had to remove other packages and I was planning on investing more time into determining what should go/stay before touching it. Still, the basic question is: Why!? Because it may lead to the creation of well thought out and integrated themes for several programs that are able to use them? Including more robustness and/or functionality similar to the one that the gfxboot provides? How about Why not? as an answer? It isn't like anyone said that you would have to do the work. As it stands now, Release Engineering has someone who does the splash themes for the releases, and this person could well be tapped to either create or assist in creating a unified theme set. It really is funny that Donnie brought this up since this was something that we were actually discussing at LWE. There's no benefit for the user, who will choose whatever theming he wants anyways. I for one would be delighted if there was such new set of themes. I'd use them right away. To be honest, I tend to match my bootsplash theme with the one that's used on the current LiveCD. Somehow I feel I need that when people come and ask me What Linux distro do you use?. If it happens that they ask when I boot my laptop they can watch the nice graphical progress (bootsplash) and finally my gdm theme. Having a Gentoo theme here helps to associate the theme with the distribution. Nobody forced me to do this. I just like it :) I tend to agree. My laptop also runs the same splash theme as the release. In fact, it usually is one of the first boxes running it, since we do testing there before we ever roll it onto a CD. Imho it's superfluous To be honest, there are not so many themes out there that are worth installing. A good set of Gentoo themes is one of the best ideas I've heard for a long time. (!) You think it is superfluous. I do not. I respect your opinion on this. Basically, you don't have to work on it. Nobody is forcing you to do so or even asking you to participate. and therefore wasted time. I understand your point. But are you sure that spreading the negative energy and killing the idea is best? No progress is done without breaking rules and working against the inertia of habits. Sure, it would be wasted time if someone were trying to force *you* to waste *your* time as you are not interested. For those of us that are, it isn't a waste in any sense. I for one favor to stick with that, what upstream provides. I guess you should be able to leave with that. No one would force you to switch the splashes/background/themes unless you wanted it. Correct. And while we are at it, is there any chance that the bug #124920 could be taken into account while creating new gdm theme? I don't see why not. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering - Strategic Lead x86 Architecture Team Games - Developer Gentoo Linux signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: aging ebuilds with unstable keywords
On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:44:49 -0400 Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 10 April 2006 04:19, Michael Sterrett -Mr. Bones.- wrote: On Mon, 10 Apr 2006, Paul de Vrieze wrote: On Monday 10 April 2006 05:26, Daniel Ahlberg wrote: * if ebuild has $PN in SRC_URI (cosmetic). Why is this one bad? It creates some flexibility, and has the name of the package in one place only. Because you can't cut-n-paste the url when editing the ebuild. eh ? a sourceforge SRC_URI that uses $PN can easily be cut paste ... -mike yeah - isn't this argument lost the second you have a SRC with mirror? (i'm a known violator of this cosmetic convenience, so i might just be biased here) ~mcummings -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo theming during bootup
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Sat, 2006-04-08 at 19:15 +, Wiktor Wandachowicz wrote: Carsten Lohrke carlo at gentoo.org writes: How do you want not to enforce it? Have you actually read the proposal? It's quite sensible and is entitled: Proposal: Integrated boot themes on LiveCDs and installations I suppose that the themes would be defaulted to on the LiveCDs and optional for regular installations - typical emerge-if-you-need-it situation. Funny enough, this was something that I heard requested *many times* when we were at the booth at LWE. Many of our users think that upstream defaults are ugly. I tend to agree. I would love to see the branding USE flag added *and used* to give us themes. One of the main reasons that I chose Gnome over KDE originally was that Gnome had the nice little Gentoo splash and gdm already had Gentoo themes (even if they were not the default). It just also happened that later when I tried to build a KDE-only CD that I couldn't get it to fit on the CD along with the other stuff, meaning I would have had to remove other packages and I was planning on investing more time into determining what should go/stay before touching it. Still, the basic question is: Why!? Because it may lead to the creation of well thought out and integrated themes for several programs that are able to use them? Including more robustness and/or functionality similar to the one that the gfxboot provides? How about Why not? as an answer? It isn't like anyone said that you would have to do the work. As it stands now, Release Engineering has someone who does the splash themes for the releases, and this person could well be tapped to either create or assist in creating a unified theme set. It really is funny that Donnie brought this up since this was something that we were actually discussing at LWE. There's no benefit for the user, who will choose whatever theming he wants anyways. I for one would be delighted if there was such new set of themes. I'd use them right away. To be honest, I tend to match my bootsplash theme with the one that's used on the current LiveCD. Somehow I feel I need that when people come and ask me What Linux distro do you use?. If it happens that they ask when I boot my laptop they can watch the nice graphical progress (bootsplash) and finally my gdm theme. Having a Gentoo theme here helps to associate the theme with the distribution. Nobody forced me to do this. I just like it :) I tend to agree. My laptop also runs the same splash theme as the release. In fact, it usually is one of the first boxes running it, since we do testing there before we ever roll it onto a CD. Imho it's superfluous To be honest, there are not so many themes out there that are worth installing. A good set of Gentoo themes is one of the best ideas I've heard for a long time. (!) You think it is superfluous. I do not. I respect your opinion on this. Basically, you don't have to work on it. Nobody is forcing you to do so or even asking you to participate. and therefore wasted time. I understand your point. But are you sure that spreading the negative energy and killing the idea is best? No progress is done without breaking rules and working against the inertia of habits. Sure, it would be wasted time if someone were trying to force *you* to waste *your* time as you are not interested. For those of us that are, it isn't a waste in any sense. I for one favor to stick with that, what upstream provides. I guess you should be able to leave with that. No one would force you to switch the splashes/background/themes unless you wanted it. Correct. And while we are at it, is there any chance that the bug #124920 could be taken into account while creating new gdm theme? I don't see why not. You said everything I wanted to say. I'll add this: I talked to spyderous and christel about this on irc the other day. I think we should have a unified Gentoo Theme that cuts across all projects. I'm willing to theme *.gentoo.org to match and I'm also willing to help out with theming other things or actually creating the artwork if we really need help on that front (I'm not an artist but if we have basic artwork made I can fit it into other things, do layouts, help patch ebuilds, etc...). Spyderous already has a new logo started that we can build on. We can easily take it and build an entire theme around it. We also have the lila theme and the Gentoo Icon Set we can use as raw material. Both of them could easily be reworked into something we can use if we need to. The theme we create could easily be extended to all the other things we use artwork for, business cards and posters for the live events plus all the things in the store, etc... Personally, I think it's time we stopped releasing with the default, upstream, ugly and boring themes and start releasing with a unified distro wide Gentoo Theme. Present the world with a
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo theming during bootup
Curtis Napier wrote: [Mon Apr 10 2006, 09:53:04AM CDT] I'm willing to theme *.gentoo.org to match [...]. Speaking of which, what is the current status of the web redesign? Thanks, g2boojum -- Grant Goodyear Gentoo Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gentoo.org/~g2boojum GPG Fingerprint: D706 9802 1663 DEF5 81B0 9573 A6DC 7152 E0F6 5B76 pgpxlftH6CmLI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo theming during bootup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Curtis Napier wrote: Spyderous already has a new logo started that we can build on. We can easily take it and build an entire theme around it. We also have the lila theme and the Gentoo Icon Set we can use as raw material. Both of them could easily be reworked into something we can use if we need to. That might be pushing things a little bit. What I've got are some general themes/ideas that need some work and creativity by a good graphics person to make into reality. Thanks, Donnie -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEOnWfXVaO67S1rtsRAkOZAJoDWcixKO/1o9lznC9ssD6FF63RZgCgr5GE 33jjWfoRTCOPHoEjJAefkmY= =KR6p -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo theming during bootup
Curtis Napier wrote: I think we should have a unified Gentoo Theme that cuts across all projects. I'm willing to theme *.gentoo.org to match and I'm also willing to help out with theming other things or actually creating the artwork if we really need help on that front (I'm not an artist but if we have basic artwork made I can fit it into other things, do layouts, help patch ebuilds, etc...). Now that is nice indeed. Having an common integrated style both local and through the Internet is a great idea. IMHO we're going the M$ way :) -- Ioannis Aslanidis Gentoo Staff Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo theming during bootup
Grant Goodyear wrote: Curtis Napier wrote: [Mon Apr 10 2006, 09:53:04AM CDT] I'm willing to theme *.gentoo.org to match [...]. Speaking of which, what is the current status of the web redesign? Thanks, g2boojum Well, I was planning on announcing this later on but I guess now is as good a time as any. The redesign as it was known up until this point is no more. There were things the winner of the contest had to do and he failed to do them (after almost 2 years of trying to get him too). I discussed it with klieber a little and after much thought I have decided that the WWW-Redesign Contest is now officially dead and abandoned. Instead, I'm now the Web Coordinator. I proposed this new role to the Infra Leads and met no resistance or objections so I have taken the initiative and created the role. Also, neysx and I together were approached and offered to be the new www node administrators as a team. Of course we both said yes. Official Infra Monkey at last! :D As Web Coordinator I am responsible for ensuring a consistent look and feel and adherence to standards across all *.gentoo.org sites. This includes standardizing on an xhtml-1.0 layout with a standard set of css id's and classes so that a single core style sheet can be shared across all *.gentoo.org sites with a minimal custom style sheet being imported to take care of the site specific styling. This will make it **so** easy to change the ENTIRE *.gentoo.org web presence layout/design by simply dropping in a new style sheet. Basically what I'll be doing is letting the individual maintainers of the various sites focus on the back-end functionality of their sites. Leaving the forward facing html/css for me to worry about freeing up their valuable time. wwwredesign.gentoo.org already has been converted and is going live on www.gentoo.org shortly (we just have a few last minute things to do). I'm also working on bugday.g.o (with gurliegebis), planet.g.o and torrents.g.o and those 3 should be ready to go by the end of the month. Hopefully upstream for planet and torrents will accept my patches where applicable. Even if they don't these web-apps are pretty simplistic and keeping a customized version up-to-date will be no problem. I'll be working with tomk on forums.g.o and we already have a plan in the works. The forum has already been so heavily modified that it is almost not even recognizable as a phpbb anymore. tomk says we can pretty much do what we want to it (within reason) without having to worry about upstream accepting our modifications. bugs.g.o will be done with jforman. bugs.g.o is a touchy one, it's one of our most used resources so it will have to be done very slowly, very carefully and I'll have to get all the relevant patches accepted upstream. I doubt jforman wants to stray from the official upstream release very much, I haven't talked to him about this yet though so I'm not sure. bugs may end up getting a new header/footer and nothing else. We'll see how it goes. packages.g.o is a custom web-app written and maintained by marduk who is currently busy in real life. I'm putting this one on the bottom of the list until he gets more free time. I *could* just style the existing site without him but he is working on packages-2.0 and it will add a lot of needed functionality. I'd rather wait and do this the right way instead of wasting time styling a site that he is going to replace anyway. Neysx and I also have a plan to make the stylesheet user selectable so we can offer multiple themes. He already has a semi-working prototype at gentoo.neysx.org (it doesn't work in IE). I'll extend that concept to all the other websites. This fits perfectly with the idea of theming the websites to match the liveCD's. We can offer that theme as the default but still let people choose the classic style or any other styles we may offer. Realistically speaking I can have all of this done by the 2007.0 release (maybe not bugs - depends on how much jforman is willing to stray from the official bugzilla release). If everyone wants to shoot for 2006.1 for this new theme I will at least have 4 sites complete and ready for the new theme. The others can be themed as I get them upgraded. I know the redesign was a great big PITA. I faced many obstacles in getting it put up live (the specifics are irrelevant). Now that I am a full fledged Infra member with some actual authority and the support of the rest of the Infra team (teaming up with neysx is also making it MUCH easier) I can actually get (and AM getting) things accomplished. I should copy this to my blog too so I don't have to repeat this a million times signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo theming during bootup
On Monday 10 April 2006 16:53, Curtis Napier wrote: We also have the lila theme and the Gentoo Icon Set we can use as raw material. Both of them could easily be reworked into something we can use if we need to. I suggest you to not consider the gentoo icon set. As it is is a _really_ bad copyright infringement, it has icons that are copied from Windows OS or applications and for sure are not licensed to allow such an edit. There are also icons took from Crystal SVG iconset (of KDE) that are licensed under LGPL for artists that's not respected as SVG sources are not provided, nor copyright is stated. -- Diego Flameeyes Pettenò - http://dev.gentoo.org/~flameeyes/ Gentoo/Alt lead, Gentoo/FreeBSD, Video, AMD64, Sound, PAM, KDE pgp4Rww1Hj7Wt.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo theming during bootup
Donnie Berkholz wrote: Curtis Napier wrote: Spyderous already has a new logo started that we can build on. We can easily take it and build an entire theme around it. We also have the lila theme and the Gentoo Icon Set we can use as raw material. Both of them could easily be reworked into something we can use if we need to. That might be pushing things a little bit. What I've got are some general themes/ideas that need some work and creativity by a good graphics person to make into reality. Thanks, Donnie You think it's to much? IMHO it's high time Gentoo presented a unified professional look and feel to the world. We want to act and be treated as a professional organization yet we have a hodge-podge of themes and styles that makes us look amateurish. I don't care how or why it got this way, I just want to do should something about it NOW. I honestly think we can make it happen if we all pitch in. fox2mike knows that artist who has already contributed artwork and says he is willing to contribute more. I also know an artist who may be willing to do a few things here and there. fox2mike, can you talk to that artist guy and see what he is willing to help out with or if he has any ideas? Really, all we need is a set of color codes, a main logo and an icon base set to start us out. All the rest can be built with that if we use one of the 2 existing icon sets color coded to match. Maybe we should start a list of things that need to be themed so we know what sort of artwork that will take. I'll start a list right now, if you are working on any of these things or have the skill/desire to work on them respond: Gentoo Logo grubsplash framebuffer splash gdm kdm qt gtk gnome/kde startup splash metacity kwin icons wallpapers PR materials (posters, handouts, business cards, etc..) Cafepress store items websites other WM's/desktops can also be done if someone is willing to do it. Like E17 or XFCE, etc... Even if they don't get full custom themes they can still use the icons and wallpapers and the qt/gtk theme will apply to the apps. The lila theme[1] already has *most* of that stuff already. This project is highly configurable as far as color scheme is concerned (it's svg). The icons can easily be colorized to match any scheme and we even have ebuilds for all of it (not in the tree though) that are mostly up to date. Maybe the lila maintainer would be willing to jump in and help us out with this. We also have the Gentoo Icon Set[2] to work with but it's not as easy to customize as lila and some of the icons have questionable copyright. Lila is all original GPL'd artwork that we would be free to use. To be honest I think lila, colorized to match whatever scheme we decide on, is the best way to go. It already has most of what we need and it's relatively easy to customize. Since no artistic skill would be required to customize lila I could do a lot of this stuff. I would be willing to do anything with gnome, updating gtk/metacity/icons etc... That sort of stuff is all fill-in-the-blank scripting for the most part with excellent tutorials already provided. And this theming should extend to all of our artwork. Things like business cards and all the stuff that PR uses at the live shows. All the stuff in the store, etc... Once we have an agreed upon logo and color scheme that stuff will be *relatively* easy to change. Spyderous, what is the Desktop herds stance on this. If we can get this all done (or as much of it as possible) is Desktop willing to make it the default theme? What would it take for this to happen? Wolf31o2, what about you and the other CD maintainers, are you guys willing to use this if we can get it done? PR, are you guys willing (or able) to remake your materials? What would it take? Who runs the store? I can't find any info about it. Can you/will you change the products? Anything else that can be themed that I'm missing? Like I said in that other email, if we start right now we could have it all done in time for 2007.0. Am I being crazy thinking we can do all of this? Does anyone else even want to try or think it's a good idea? Any other questions, comments, suggestions, flames? [1]http://lila-theme.berlios.de/ [2]http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/icons.xml signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo theming during bootup
On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 14:08 -0400, Curtis Napier wrote: Wolf31o2, what about you and the other CD maintainers, are you guys willing to use this if we can get it done? CD creation has nothing to do with it, really. We simply make stuff based on the defaults. If there were a branding USE flag on these packages, we would use it. That's about all of the interaction Release Engineering would have with regard to this. I do want to point out that we have someone who has been doing our splash themes for us since 2005.0 for the releases (blackace). The best course of action currently is simply to pool the resources together and find out what you have available with respect to artists and pre-existing work. Please do NOT rush into this, or we'll end up looking worse off for it. PR, are you guys willing (or able) to remake your materials? What would it take? The only materials that I am aware of that we have is some flyers and generic business cards, along with the Gentoo G logo on a large poster. We shouldn't have too hard of a time changing stuff since we don't really have much of anything, which is something I'm hoping we can change. Who runs the store? I can't find any info about it. Can you/will you change the products? I do. I can change them to anything, really. The main concern I have here is that we have something that can easily be translated into either black and white or CYMK for pressing professional-looking CDs. I am currently working on investigating other avenues for what we can do to provide a better service for our users and possibly generate more revenue with our release media via our store. Anything else that can be themed that I'm missing? Like I said in that other email, if we start right now we could have it all done in time for 2007.0. I wouldn't shoot for anything sooner than this, really, as it will take a massive amount of coordination. Am I being crazy thinking we can do all of this? Does anyone else even want to try or think it's a good idea? Any other questions, comments, suggestions, flames? [1]http://lila-theme.berlios.de/ [2]http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/icons.xml -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering - Strategic Lead x86 Architecture Team Games - Developer Gentoo Linux signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo theming during bootup
Curtis Napier wrote: [Mon Apr 10 2006, 11:21:14AM CDT] The redesign as it was known up until this point is no more. There were things the winner of the contest had to do and he failed to do them (after almost 2 years of trying to get him too). I discussed it with klieber a little and after much thought I have decided that the WWW-Redesign Contest is now officially dead and abandoned. Thanks for the update. One question that your thorough response didn't answer (assuming that I didn't miss it) is if you have plans to improve the site's navigation? My understanding during the original redesign contest was that the majority of the complaints we received about our site from users was the difficulty involved in finding things. In any event, I think we need to remove the flying saucer guy. When drobbins left and turned over the Gentoo IP to us, one thing that he kept was the flying saucer guy. I believe that he was allowing us to use it while we got the redesign put together, but since that's dead it seems unfair to hold on to that flying saucer guy indefinitely. -g2boojum- -- Grant Goodyear Gentoo Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gentoo.org/~g2boojum GPG Fingerprint: D706 9802 1663 DEF5 81B0 9573 A6DC 7152 E0F6 5B76 pgpCd7pANS7e0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo theming during bootup
Grant Goodyear wrote: Curtis Napier wrote: [Mon Apr 10 2006, 11:21:14AM CDT] The redesign as it was known up until this point is no more. There were things the winner of the contest had to do and he failed to do them (after almost 2 years of trying to get him too). I discussed it with klieber a little and after much thought I have decided that the WWW-Redesign Contest is now officially dead and abandoned. Thanks for the update. One question that your thorough response didn't answer (assuming that I didn't miss it) is if you have plans to improve the site's navigation? My understanding during the original redesign contest was that the majority of the complaints we received about our site from users was the difficulty involved in finding things. In any event, I think we need to remove the flying saucer guy. When drobbins left and turned over the Gentoo IP to us, one thing that he kept was the flying saucer guy. I believe that he was allowing us to use it while we got the redesign put together, but since that's dead it seems unfair to hold on to that flying saucer guy indefinitely. -g2boojum- That's what this whole thread is about... a new theme. Specifically for the CD's but I am jumping on the bandwagon and going along for the ride. Hopefully something good will come of this, if not then I'll figure something out. For now just suffice it to say that a new theme that takes into consideration all the things you said above (and more) is going to happen one way or another. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo theming during bootup
On Monday 10 April 2006 15:37, Grant Goodyear wrote: In any event, I think we need to remove the flying saucer guy. When drobbins left and turned over the Gentoo IP to us, one thing that he kept was the flying saucer guy. I believe that he was allowing us to use it while we got the redesign put together, but since that's dead it seems unfair to hold on to that flying saucer guy indefinitely. i'll miss him :( any way we can beg to keep him in the one place on the front page ? -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo theming during bootup
Vapier wrote: [Mon Apr 10 2006, 05:25:23PM CDT] On Monday 10 April 2006 15:37, Grant Goodyear wrote: In any event, I think we need to remove the flying saucer guy. When drobbins left and turned over the Gentoo IP to us, one thing that he kept was the flying saucer guy. I believe that he was allowing us to use it while we got the redesign put together, but since that's dead it seems unfair to hold on to that flying saucer guy indefinitely. i'll miss him :( any way we can beg to keep him in the one place on the front page ? Feel free to ask him. I believe that [EMAIL PROTECTED] should still work. -g2boojum- -- Grant Goodyear Gentoo Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gentoo.org/~g2boojum GPG Fingerprint: D706 9802 1663 DEF5 81B0 9573 A6DC 7152 E0F6 5B76 pgpjzHBCBSaZi.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo theming during bootup
On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:21:14 -0400 Curtis Napier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Instead, I'm now the Web Coordinator. I proposed this new role to the Infra Leads and met no resistance or objections so I have taken the initiative and created the role. Also, neysx and I together were approached and offered to be the new www node administrators as a team. Of course we both said yes. Official Infra Monkey at last! :D Congrats on your newly acquired monkeyship - here, have a banana! :) I'd like to say that I myself appreciate your efforts (which are nicely described in detail in parent post) very much, and wish you good luck. I'm sure the rest of the team feels the same, I just felt like saying it. :) I'm looking forward to see the magic happen! Kind regards, -- Andrej -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo theming during bootup
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Monday 10 April 2006 15:37, Grant Goodyear wrote: In any event, I think we need to remove the flying saucer guy. When drobbins left and turned over the Gentoo IP to us, one thing that he kept was the flying saucer guy. I believe that he was allowing us to use it while we got the redesign put together, but since that's dead it seems unfair to hold on to that flying saucer guy indefinitely. i'll miss him :( any way we can beg to keep him in the one place on the front page ? -mike No. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo theming during bootup
On Monday 10 April 2006 18:38, Curtis Napier wrote: Mike Frysinger wrote: On Monday 10 April 2006 15:37, Grant Goodyear wrote: In any event, I think we need to remove the flying saucer guy. When drobbins left and turned over the Gentoo IP to us, one thing that he kept was the flying saucer guy. I believe that he was allowing us to use it while we got the redesign put together, but since that's dead it seems unfair to hold on to that flying saucer guy indefinitely. i'll miss him :( any way we can beg to keep him in the one place on the front page ? No. no as in no i havent asked him and i never plan on doing so because i dont ever want to use it or no as in daniel already asked us to remove it as soon as conveniently possible -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo theming during bootup
On Mon, 2006-10-04 at 18:25 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Monday 10 April 2006 15:37, Grant Goodyear wrote: In any event, I think we need to remove the flying saucer guy. When drobbins left and turned over the Gentoo IP to us, one thing that he kept was the flying saucer guy. I believe that he was allowing us to use it while we got the redesign put together, but since that's dead it seems unfair to hold on to that flying saucer guy indefinitely. i'll miss him :( Yea we have to keep him, he is one of the most important members of our community. -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Developer -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo theming during bootup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Olivier Crete wrote: i'll miss him :( Yea we have to keep him, he is one of the most important members of our community. Agreed! I like the lil' alien. (In some obscure way, he reminds me of Earthbound . . .) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEOvKersJQqN81j74RAmNAAJ0YJ2Si9sJ7zWzm3zA6myyg7Nr4YQCeJsC7 fnFxBl0BjWM6JtHOHRVWw4c= =RHS4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo theming during bootup
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Monday 10 April 2006 18:38, Curtis Napier wrote: Mike Frysinger wrote: On Monday 10 April 2006 15:37, Grant Goodyear wrote: In any event, I think we need to remove the flying saucer guy. When drobbins left and turned over the Gentoo IP to us, one thing that he kept was the flying saucer guy. I believe that he was allowing us to use it while we got the redesign put together, but since that's dead it seems unfair to hold on to that flying saucer guy indefinitely. i'll miss him :( any way we can beg to keep him in the one place on the front page ? No. no as in no i havent asked him and i never plan on doing so because i dont ever want to use it or no as in daniel already asked us to remove it as soon as conveniently possible -mike No as in I haven't asked him but assume that he won't give us the copyright so I have forgotten that the lil' spaceship guy even exists but if someone convinces him to give us that copyright I would be willing to consider it for the design. *breath* Man that was a long run on sentence. :-) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo theming during bootup
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Monday 10 April 2006 14:08, Curtis Napier wrote: I honestly think we can make it happen if we all pitch in. a simple news item on the front page + GWN request could prob gather a lot of attention other WM's/desktops can also be done if someone is willing to do it. Like E17 or XFCE, etc... Even if they don't get full custom themes they can still use the icons and wallpapers and the qt/gtk theme will apply to the apps. there's already parts of a Gentoo theme floating around for e17 ... i can look into it -mike There are lila eapps (icons for those that don't use E) and lila efl theme. The efl theme is no longer compatible (hasn't been for a while). The lila eapps are still out there though. I talked to spyderous a little bit ago and I *think* we have decided to go with the tango icons customized with our color scheme. We'll either find gtk/qt themes to match our color scheme or make them (I'm already reading the gtk/metacity theme howto). Tango is better for a lot of different reasons, the main one being that the project is actually active and has more than a single maintainer. When we get to the right point I'll contact you and we can work on E17 together if you want. I've already made a custom theme for E17 about 6 months ago so I have a *little* bit of experience with it. I'm sure you probably know more about it than I do though. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo theming during bootup
On Monday 10 April 2006 20:38, Curtis Napier wrote: Mike Frysinger wrote: On Monday 10 April 2006 18:38, Curtis Napier wrote: Mike Frysinger wrote: On Monday 10 April 2006 15:37, Grant Goodyear wrote: In any event, I think we need to remove the flying saucer guy. When drobbins left and turned over the Gentoo IP to us, one thing that he kept was the flying saucer guy. I believe that he was allowing us to use it while we got the redesign put together, but since that's dead it seems unfair to hold on to that flying saucer guy indefinitely. i'll miss him :( any way we can beg to keep him in the one place on the front page ? No. no as in no i havent asked him and i never plan on doing so because i dont ever want to use it or no as in daniel already asked us to remove it as soon as conveniently possible -mike No as in I haven't asked him but assume that he won't give us the copyright so I have forgotten that the lil' spaceship guy even exists but if someone convinces him to give us that copyright I would be willing to consider it for the design. *breath* we're not asking for the copyright, just to let him keep on living in the little space on the front page that he currently occupies -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] adding a code of conduct
Vapier wrote: [Fri Apr 07 2006, 07:00:22PM EDT] On Tuesday 04 April 2006 13:54, Aron Griffis wrote: Vapier wrote: [Tue Apr 04 2006, 01:12:28AM EDT] the idea is that it's common sense and to need to vote on something like this seems asinine It might seem that way, but something that is voted on and accepted has credibility. Something that is simply posted as common sense does not. but something that is accepted by everyone rather than being handed down from a much smaller group of people has more credibility imho the point of this thread was to see what everyone thought and getting it to the point where everyone is happy, not just the people who would be voting Oh, I agree with that completely, if a few days late. Aron -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April
On Saturday 01 April 2006 04:22, Mike Frysinger wrote: This is your monthly friendly reminder ! Same bat time (typically the 2nd Thursday once a month), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @ irc.freenode.net) ! due to LWE we're pushing it back to the 21st -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo theming during bootup
wwwredesign.gentoo.org already has been converted and is going live on www.gentoo.org shortly (we just have a few last minute things to do). can we add a robots.txt on wwwredesign.gentoo.org that disallows / from * ? if the site is just for testing a new layout or code, we do not want (any more of) the content to get into search engines. thanks PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[gentoo-portage-dev] should we add userpriv and usersandox to make.globals FEATURES?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi everyone, What do people think about adding userpriv and usersandox to make.globals FEATURES? I've been using these for a long time and haven't had any trouble with them. Are there any arguments against making them default? Zac -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEOiRf/ejvha5XGaMRAn+kAJ9ieh37OjEwTriDQt/xPnmMGqEPsQCg7qvf XEcYhyzdGSDBj8HtH8QYJzk= =ge1C -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-portage-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] should we add userpriv and usersandox to make.globals FEATURES?
Zac Medico wrote: What do people think about adding userpriv and usersandox to make.globals FEATURES? I've been using these for a long time and haven't had any trouble with them. Are there any arguments against making them default? I didn't verify this personally, but a few days ago mkay came to #g-portage and asked whether FEATURES='usersandbox -sandbox' resulting in sandbox enabled is expected behaviour or not. Before we add usersandbox to the default FEATURES we should make sure that -sandbox always disables sandbox. -- Kind Regards, Simon Stelling Gentoo/AMD64 Developer -- gentoo-portage-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-portage-dev] Re: should we add userpriv and usersandox to make.globals FEATURES?
Zac Medico posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Mon, 10 Apr 2006 02:24:49 -0700: What do people think about adding userpriv and usersandox to make.globals FEATURES? I've been using these for a long time and haven't had any trouble with them. Are there any arguments against making them default? I've had very occasional problems, but no more than with the default sandbox on its own. I'd say go for it, as I appreciate the slightly better security, and it shouldn't cause many issues beyond what's already there. For the few it may, better to catch and fix them anyway! -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman in http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/12/22/rms_interview.html -- gentoo-portage-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] should we add userpriv and usersandox to make.globals FEATURES?
On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 02:24 -0700, Zac Medico wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi everyone, What do people think about adding userpriv and usersandox to make.globals FEATURES? I've been using these for a long time and haven't had any trouble with them. Are there any arguments against making them default? This is would qualify as core change. Please post this on the -dev ml. Zac -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEOiRf/ejvha5XGaMRAn+kAJ9ieh37OjEwTriDQt/xPnmMGqEPsQCg7qvf XEcYhyzdGSDBj8HtH8QYJzk= =ge1C -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-portage-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] should we add userpriv and usersandox to make.globals FEATURES?
On Monday 10 April 2006 08:08, Ned Ludd wrote: On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 02:24 -0700, Zac Medico wrote: What do people think about adding userpriv and usersandox to make.globals FEATURES? I've been using these for a long time and haven't had any trouble with them. Are there any arguments against making them default? This is would qualify as core change. Please post this on the -dev ml. agreed, this is the inappropriate forum for such a change -mike -- gentoo-portage-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] should we add userpriv and usersandox to make.globals FEATURES?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mike Frysinger wrote: On Monday 10 April 2006 08:08, Ned Ludd wrote: On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 02:24 -0700, Zac Medico wrote: What do people think about adding userpriv and usersandox to make.globals FEATURES? I've been using these for a long time and haven't had any trouble with them. Are there any arguments against making them default? This is would qualify as core change. Please post this on the -dev ml. agreed, this is the inappropriate forum for such a change -mike Okay, I'll post it there instead, along with my question about usersandbox deprecation. Zac -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEOrOH/ejvha5XGaMRAvr2AJ9BNq9YslFwaUds7H+DMIWqCI6HPwCfYfU+ uK2l6RgMyO/fP63bXwb6lGM= =GLtN -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-portage-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] should we add userpriv and usersandox to make.globals FEATURES?
On Tuesday 11 April 2006 04:28, Zac Medico wrote: Simon Stelling wrote: Zac Medico wrote: What do people think about adding userpriv and usersandox to make.globals FEATURES? I've been using these for a long time and haven't had any trouble with them. Are there any arguments against making them default? I didn't verify this personally, but a few days ago mkay came to #g-portage and asked whether FEATURES='usersandbox -sandbox' resulting in sandbox enabled is expected behaviour or not. Before we add usersandbox to the default FEATURES we should make sure that -sandbox always disables sandbox. Yeah, we should fix that. In fact, usersandbox seems like a redundant feature to me. Can we deprecate usersandbox and recommend sandbox as the sole means of toggling sandbox on and off (whether userpriv is enabled or not)? sandbox userpriv thus far has meant to prefer userpriv and fallback to sandbox when the ebuild doesn't work with userpriv. When those two are combined with usersandbox on the other hand, it has meant to throw everything possible at the ebuild. I personally prefer to not use usersandbox as the sandbox gives a sometimes-not-small performance hit and I'm a ricer. :P -- Jason Stubbs -- gentoo-portage-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
