[gentoo-dev] Re: Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007/08
Jan Kundrát wrote: > I nominate Wernfried Haas (amne). Based on a thorough and detailed > review of Gentoo state-of-affair that we did together over several beers > some time ago when he was at Prague, I'm sure he's one of the best > candidates for the human, caring part of the Council. > I second that, simply because his teams do such a good job. I have felt unfairly treated, I admit, but I'd rather they were too tight than too lax. And a cooling off is refreshing! Amne has always handled the situation professionally when things were tense, and has always seemed chilled at other times. Dunno about this cz conspiracy tho.. heh no-one will vote for him now ;) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Marcus 'cryos' Hanwell's talk about Gentoo and KDE at aKademy 2007
On Tuesday 03 July 2007 22:19:10 Wulf C. Krueger wrote: > Marcus "cryos" Hanwell gave a talk on Gentoo and KDE on Sunday at aKademy > 2007. > > Marcus presented the current state of KDE in Gentoo, our current headaches > and questions as well as what we hope for or expect for the future. > > I rarely enjoy taped presentations but this one was entertaining *and* > interesting as he changed the slides he had sent to the KDE herd before > in the last minute, it seems. And only for the better. :-) I thought I had just made some small adjustments - can't remember now. > > Marcus, no need to worry about your talk being preserved for eternity on > the net - personally, I really liked it and think you did very well. So > I'll be sure to keep my copy. :-) > I would like to thank you very much for doing it. > > You'll find the recording of Marcus' talk at > http://akademy2007.kde.org/conference/programme.php > I have emailed my slides and put them up myself for the impatient. I have made a blog post on my talk which also contains links to the slides and the video. http://blog.cryos.net/archives/146-Gentoo-KDE-Talk-at-aKademy.html I think it was really productive and I am still there right now. There is a lot of interest among KDE developers in Gentoo. I am here until Sunday - hopefully I will get a little more coding done now. Come see us in London if you can make it. Thanks, Marcus signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] package with funny licence
On Wed, 4 Jul 2007 03:01:52 Jeroen Roovers wrote: > On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 12:21:12 +0200 > > Ulrich Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Today I stumbled over a package that has the following funny "licence" > > in its file headers: > > > > ;; Bozoup(P) 1995 The Bozo(tic) Softwar(e) Founda(t)ion, Inc. > > ;; See the BOZO Antipasto for further information. > > ;; If this is useful to you, may you forever be blessed by the Holy > > Lord ;; Patty. AT&T you will. > > That's not a license, it's a copyright notice with added fluff. > > > The package was marked as GPL-2 but I think this does not really hit > > the spot. ;-) > > If I were you, I would ask the author and not simply label it as-is. > GPL-2 it definitely isn't. The whole license is especially completely unintelligeable. Is one actually allowed to distribute/modify/use the software at all? It is probably best to dump the package. Paul -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] [PMS] new dep list (useful just for cross stuff)
On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 01:12:02 Olivier Crête wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-29-06 at 09:30 +0200, Luca Barbato wrote:
> > Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> > > There are various problems that need to be addressed for cross
> > > development and (especially) multilib/abi. One of the other ones that
> > > you didn't mention is some kind of subpackage support. For example when
> > > one installs 32 bit gtk+ to use binary firefox on an 64bit system it
> > > can share the headers and docs etc. with the 64 bit version. Removing
> > > either of them must however still preserve those files.
> >
> > A quick and dirty way implies that:
> > - only the "main" abi can install stuff /usr/
>
> The secondary need to be able to install into their /usr/${libdir} ..
> its actually the only place where stuff from the non-main abis should be
> imho.
If one requires synchronized versions, there should in 99% of the cases not be
any issue with header files and documentation. It will be equal, so can be
shared. It might indeed be an option to require the "main" abi to be always
present.
Paul
ps. for include headers it is rather straightforward to make forwarding
headers with architecture dependent redirects (using the architecture
defines) in case the headers are not arch independent.
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[gentoo-dev] Re: package with funny licence
Paul de Vrieze wrote: >> > ;; Bozoup(P) 1995 The Bozo(tic) Softwar(e) Founda(t)ion, Inc. >> > ;; See the BOZO Antipasto for further information. >> > ;; If this is useful to you, may you forever be blessed by the Holy >> > Lord ;; Patty. AT&T you will. >> >> That's not a license, it's a copyright notice with added fluff. >> >> > The package was marked as GPL-2 but I think this does not really hit >> > the spot. ;-) >> >> If I were you, I would ask the author and not simply label it as-is. >> GPL-2 it definitely isn't. > > The whole license is especially completely unintelligeable. Is one > actually allowed to distribute/modify/use the software at all? It is > probably best to dump the package. > It doesn't seem like a license to me at all, since it has nothing but declaratory statements. It maybe be Published by some group, but they seem to make no restrictions whatsoever. As such, I'd personally feel quite happy using it as-is; I don't think they much care either way :-) May G bless you all.. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] [PMS] new dep list (useful just for cross stuff)
On Wed, 2007-04-07 at 22:11 +1000, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 01:12:02 Olivier Crête wrote:
> > On Fri, 2007-29-06 at 09:30 +0200, Luca Barbato wrote:
> > > Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> > > > There are various problems that need to be addressed for cross
> > > > development and (especially) multilib/abi. One of the other ones that
> > > > you didn't mention is some kind of subpackage support. For example when
> > > > one installs 32 bit gtk+ to use binary firefox on an 64bit system it
> > > > can share the headers and docs etc. with the 64 bit version. Removing
> > > > either of them must however still preserve those files.
> > >
> > > A quick and dirty way implies that:
> > > - only the "main" abi can install stuff /usr/
> >
> > The secondary need to be able to install into their /usr/${libdir} ..
> > its actually the only place where stuff from the non-main abis should be
> > imho.
>
> If one requires synchronized versions, there should in 99% of the cases not
> be
> any issue with header files and documentation. It will be equal, so can be
> shared. It might indeed be an option to require the "main" abi to be always
> present.
I really don't see how it can be made to work in a generic wait without
requiring that all sub-arches use the same version as the main arch and
without requiring that the main arch be installed (if we were a binary
distro, we could do a common package and a bunch of sub-packages, but
now we can't).
> Paul
> ps. for include headers it is rather straightforward to make forwarding
> headers with architecture dependent redirects (using the architecture
> defines) in case the headers are not arch independent.
In theory, headers in /usr/include should be arch independant. You if
you at glib, it installs its arch dependant header in /usr/lib
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007/08
Torsten Veller wrote: Let me paste last year's mail: | well it's about that time of the year ... time for nominating people | for the next Gentoo Council | | for the quick low down: | - nominations are from July 1 through July 31 | - anyone can nominate | - only Gentoo devs may be nominated | | so get with the nominating people ! | | for the full details, check out the Council homepage: | http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/#doc_chap6 Have fun and good luck :) I nominate wolf31o2 Uberlord tomk Johnm amne welp nightmorph -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007/08
Hi all: Torsten Veller escribió: Let me paste last year's mail: | well it's about that time of the year ... time for nominating people | for the next Gentoo Council | | for the quick low down: | - nominations are from July 1 through July 31 | - anyone can nominate | - only Gentoo devs may be nominated | | so get with the nominating people ! | | for the full details, check out the Council homepage: | http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/#doc_chap6 I've just rescued the xml we used the last year and update the current nominations. The list is in: http://dev.gentoo.org/~yoswink/council-2007.xml I will try to update it often, but please, tell me if I miss something or if there is some error. Thanks. -- Jose Luis Rivero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo/Doc Gentoo/Alpha -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007/08
José Luis Rivero (yoswink) kirjoitti: > I've just rescued the xml we used the last year and update the current > nominations. The list is in: > > http://dev.gentoo.org/~yoswink/council-2007.xml > > I will try to update it often, but please, tell me if I miss something > or if there is some error. > How is being a devrel member important for the table? I don't think it's any more special than any other TLP. Regards, Petteri signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007/08
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007/08
On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 03:10:10PM +0200, Jan Kundrát wrote: > I nominate Wernfried Haas (amne). Based on a thorough and detailed review of > Gentoo state-of-affair that we did together over several beers some time ago > when he was at Prague, I'm sure he's one of the best candidates for the > human, caring part of the Council. Thanks Jan and others for the nomination. Once again this proves that beer solves all promblems. ;-) Until now I haven't had time to actually think about accepting it, but i hope everything around me calms down a bit in the next days. In any way i feel flattered by the trust put in me by some of the folks here - thanks. > Anyone pointing out at any old dirty laundry concerning Wernfried will be > slapped to death with an empty beer pint. This is no assault, but rather a > simple matter of fact. Alternatively, we could just get a refill. :-) cheers, Wernfried -- Wernfried Haas (amne) - amne (at) gentoo.org Gentoo Forums - http://forums.gentoo.org forum-mods (at) gentoo.org #gentoo-forums (freenode) pgplJ7kpyhh48.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007/08
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Inotify and (f)crontabs
On 7/1/07, Daniel Schömer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi!
Ryan Reich wrote:
> On 7/1/07, Daniel Schömer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> $ sudo fcrontab -l systab
>> [...]
>> %hourly 0-30 run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly
>> %daily * * run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily
>> [...]
> Less ambiguously a bug, though, is that the syslog will only
> record running run-parts and not which parts were run).
Would it be sufficient to let this also be done by run-parts?
Then there would be records of fcron starting run-parts and
records of run-parts starting each script.
That works of course, though if you're at the point of modifying
run-parts you might as well modify the crontabs setup. I mean, having
run-parts do the logging is silly since fcron already has a logging
capability, and since the only point of using run-parts is to assist
fcron. Otherwise you're just creating further unnecessary complexity.
> Have you any thoughts on what to do with check_system_crontabs?
> Its schedule is inherently reactive and not periodic, so
> really, administering it with (f)cron at all is a logical
> error. That's why I suggested inotify in the first place.
I must say, I can't remember that I've seen check_system_crontabs
on my desktop; maybe I just suppressed it :-). Now that I think
of it, I'm remembering an elog message from the fcron ebuild
telling me to use the fcrontab systab for system-wide jobs
instead of /etc/{f,}crontab.
Using inotify sounds more logical for me than using (f)cron for
this.
If there's interest in incorporating this, I wouldn't mind testing my
idea. Once I get past the initial resistance to doing anything at
all, it's probably two minutes' compilation time plus two more writing
the config files to set up.
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[gentoo-dev] New Linux-PAM stabling plans
Forwarded by request of somebody thats smart/lucky enough to not be on this list but still monitoring it. Forwarded Message From: Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: New Linux-PAM stabling plans Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 20:51:36 +0200 Hi everybody; sorry to mail here rather than -dev, but I'm not subscribed to it and I have no intention to subscribe in the next future. Please forward a copy of this message to gentoo-dev if you can and want, thanks. Since while I was gone nobody took care of PAM, I had to resume work on it (sigh), and almost at the same time I got reported that PAM 0.78 doesn't allow to set some limits in limits.conf to "unlimited" value. This is a good enough reason to work actively on marking 0.99 stable. Unfortunately, 0.99 upgrade isn't entirely trivial, as pam_stack.so is gone, pam_userdb is moved and so is pam_console, plus a few more modules are no more present at all. To solve this issue, I just wrote an upgrade guide in the PAM project that will appear soon at [1]. That guide should contain all the information needed to pass through the upgrade easily. I also have an ebuild ready to commit that will make a lot of warnings and various noise when the pam.d file in the system still refers to the removed packages, pointing to the upgrade guide. It also dies if the user still has pam_stack or other modules that are not moved but really not available. (I'm still not sure where I should die: pkg_setup would stop users from building pkgs, pkg_preinst would waste people time if they didn't notice the warnings at setup stage, as right now the warnings are printed in both, and preinst dies). I'd really like comments on the guide (that still has to pass through an editor -- Josh would you mind? :) -- so please skip grammar check for now ;) ), so that I can address whatever is needed. Now, I could ask stabilization even right now, but, I'm not sure how to convey enough focus on what is going to happen. I'll write about this on Planet for sure, but then? Is GLEP42 ready? Should I ask PR people to publish this? Anyway, I'll at least give it a week or two for more testing and for proofreading the guide; developers are invited to try the upgrade on their (non-production first) machines, and report immediately any problem with the procedure. Sorry for the delay to get a decent PAM working, thanks for waiting. [1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/pam/upgrade-0.99.xml Diego "Flameeyes" Pettenò http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007/08
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Re: [gentoo-dev] package with funny licence
On Wed, 4 Jul 2007 22:02:31 +1000 Paul de Vrieze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The whole license is especially completely unintelligeable. Is one > actually allowed to distribute/modify/use the software at all? It is > probably best to dump the package. 1) Again, it's not a license. It's a copyright notice with a couple of jokes attached. It contains no statement granting anyone anything with regard to the copyright of the materials it is attached to. Ask your lawyer. 2) Ulrich didn't mention a category/package or that said package is in the tree already, so there probably isn't anything to "dump" at this stage. 3) Why go overboard and be all negative like that (as to suggest dumping the package)? Asking the copyright owner of the package is probably the best thing to do even if you do not intend to distribute the copyrighted materials and just want to know where you legally stand, *regardless* of whether the package is in the tree or not. Kind regards, JeR -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: package with funny licence
On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 15:28:04 +0100 Steve Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It maybe be Published by some group, but they seem to make no > restrictions whatsoever. As such, I'd personally feel quite happy > using it as-is; I don't think they much care either way :-) Hmmm. A license is *needed* as long as modifying/distributing the package is restricted by copyright. The as-is license specifically grants you the right to use the software it pertains to. Without an explicit license, you may not (ever) modify or distribute it. You would need to obtain permission from the copyright owner in that case - otherwise the normal copyright restrictions are in effect. Again, to ask the copyright owner for a simple (written) statement saying how the software may be (freely or not) distributed and modified is currently the next step. Kind regards, JeR -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Re: Inotify and (f)crontabs
Ryan Reich wrote: > On 7/1/07, Daniel Schömer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Ryan Reich wrote: >>> On 7/1/07, Daniel Schömer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] %daily * * run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily [...] >>> Less ambiguously a bug, though, is that the syslog will only >>> record running run-parts and not which parts were run). >> Would it be sufficient to let this also be done by run-parts? >> [...] > That works of course, though if you're at the point of > modifying run-parts you might as well modify the crontabs > setup. Your're right. Since I have nearly zero practice creating C-code, it would just be easier for me to create something similiar to run-parts in shell or ruby. That shell or ruby run-parts-thingy would be easier for me to modify than fcron. > [...] >>> [...] >> [...] > If there's interest in incorporating this, I wouldn't mind > testing my idea. [...] I'm currently happy with run-parts. But please don't let me stop you trying your idea. I will definitely give it a try. Daniel Schömer -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] New Linux-PAM stabling plans
Ned Ludd wrote: > Forwarded by request of somebody thats smart/lucky enough to not > be on this list but still monitoring it. > > Forwarded Message > From: Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: New Linux-PAM stabling plans > Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 20:51:36 +0200 > I'd really like comments on the guide (that still has to pass through > an editor -- Josh would you mind? :) -- so please skip grammar check > for now ;) ), so that I can address whatever is needed. Nope, I don't mind at all. I edited it for grammar, spelling, English, and GuideXML coding style. (No content changes.) Fixed in CVS! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] New Linux-PAM stabling plans
On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:07:39 -0700 Ned Ludd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Forwarded by request of somebody thats smart/lucky enough to not > be on this list but still monitoring it. > > Forwarded Message > From: Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: New Linux-PAM stabling plans > Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 20:51:36 +0200 > > Now, I could ask stabilization even right now, but, I'm not sure how > to convey enough focus on what is going to happen. I'll write about > this on Planet for sure, but then? Is GLEP42 ready? Should I ask PR > people to publish this? Glep 42 is still waiting for some eselect people to take care of bug 179064. Marius -- Public Key at http://www.genone.de/info/gpg-key.pub In the beginning, there was nothing. And God said, 'Let there be Light.' And there was still nothing, but you could see a bit better. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
