[gentoo-dev] Last rites: dev-tex/vntex

2008-09-05 Thread Alexis Ballier
Hi, dev-tex/vntex will be removed in 30 days. Reason: Masked since early 2007. Included in tetex-3, ptex and texlive-langvietnamese. If someone wanted to keep the ebuild around for single package updates, he had plenty of time to do it. Now it is old and unmaintained and therefore will be

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] LXDE project

2008-09-05 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 14:16 Sun 31 Aug , Ben de Groot wrote: I have therefor created an LXDE project page[2] under the Desktop top-level project. My idea is to initially start an official overlay and develop the needed packages in there. I am actively encouraging users to participate in development and

Re: [gentoo-dev] global USE flag overrides in metadata.xml (bug 235708)

2008-09-05 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 00:19 Wed 03 Sep , Peter Volkov wrote: Personally I think that this is good idea to specialize global USE flags description in metadata.xml. In such case global USE flag description still correct, and we just adjust their meaning for specific package. What others think? Yes, an

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] EAPI 2 Draft

2008-09-05 Thread David Leverton
2008/9/4 Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED]: * The 'unpack' helper function recognizes ;sf=tbz2 and ;sf=tgz extensions, for interoperability with gitweb. * SRC_URI supports a syntax extension which allows customization of output file names by using a - operator. Is it useful to have both of

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] EAPI 2 Draft

2008-09-05 Thread Zac Medico
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Leverton wrote: 2008/9/4 Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED]: * The 'unpack' helper function recognizes ;sf=tbz2 and ;sf=tgz extensions, for interoperability with gitweb. * SRC_URI supports a syntax extension which allows customization of

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] EAPI 2 Draft

2008-09-05 Thread David Leverton
2008/9/5 Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Both approaches are essentially equivalent but it's a little simpler for ebuild writer if they don't have to customize the output file name. But is it so much simpler as to justify adding a special gitweb-specific hack to the package managers?

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] EAPI 2 Draft

2008-09-05 Thread Zac Medico
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Leverton wrote: 2008/9/5 Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Both approaches are essentially equivalent but it's a little simpler for ebuild writer if they don't have to customize the output file name. But is it so much simpler as to justify

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] EAPI 2 Draft

2008-09-05 Thread Fernando J. Pereda
On Fri, Sep 05, 2008 at 12:39:16AM -0700, Zac Medico wrote: David Leverton wrote: 2008/9/5 Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Both approaches are essentially equivalent but it's a little simpler for ebuild writer if they don't have to customize the output file name. But is it so much

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] EAPI 2 Draft

2008-09-05 Thread Christian Faulhammer
Hi, Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED]: David Leverton wrote: 2008/9/4 Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED]: * The 'unpack' helper function recognizes ;sf=tbz2 and ;sf=tgz extensions, for interoperability with gitweb. * SRC_URI supports a syntax extension which allows customization of output

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] EAPI 2 Draft

2008-09-05 Thread Alec Warner
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 12:39 AM, Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Leverton wrote: 2008/9/5 Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Both approaches are essentially equivalent but it's a little simpler for ebuild writer if they don't have to

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] EAPI 2 Draft

2008-09-05 Thread Robert Buchholz
On Friday 05 September 2008, Fernando J. Pereda wrote: On Fri, Sep 05, 2008 at 12:39:16AM -0700, Zac Medico wrote: David Leverton wrote: 2008/9/5 Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Both approaches are essentially equivalent but it's a little simpler for ebuild writer if they don't have to

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] EAPI 2 Draft

2008-09-05 Thread Mike Auty
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robert Buchholz wrote: How is using the eclass better for bandwidth usage? It won't allow for mirroring, and all users would have to checkout the repository from one place. Furthermore, you cannot have (signed) Manifests that allow integrity

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] EAPI 2 Draft

2008-09-05 Thread Mike Auty
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robert Buchholz wrote: How is using the eclass better for bandwidth usage? It won't allow for mirroring, and all users would have to checkout the repository from one place. Furthermore, you cannot have (signed) Manifests that allow integrity

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] EAPI 2 Draft

2008-09-05 Thread Robert Buchholz
On Friday 05 September 2008, Mike Auty wrote: From what I understand of the idea, the eclass will just change the SRC_URI field from the first case (sf=tgz) to the second case (-). Eclasses have to be sourced before the SRC_URI is determined because they can already add (and presumably alter)

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] PROPERTIES=live (instead of PROPERTIES=live-sources or RESTRICT=live)

2008-09-05 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:39:58 -0700 Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do the name and definition of this PROPERTIES=live value seem good? Would anybody like to discuss any changes to the name, definition, or both? Not sure if 'live' is really the best choice here, as many things also apply

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] PROPERTIES=virtual for meta-packages (clarification of definition)

2008-09-05 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 14:01:48 -0700 Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do the name and definition of this PROPERTIES=virtual value seem good? Would anybody like to discuss any changes to the name, definition, or both? If it's only used to indicate that the package doesn't install any files

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] PROPERTIES=virtual for meta-packages (clarification of definition)

2008-09-05 Thread Marius Mauch
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:20:07 + (UTC) Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I therefore believe I like just moving them all to a *virtual*/ category better, thus obviating the need for that particular property in the first place. I strongly belive that it's a horrible idea to add special

Re: [gentoo-dev] News item: World file handling changes in Portage-2.2

2008-09-05 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:39:41 +0300 Petteri Räty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As per glep 42 (http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0042.html) here is the required email for a new news item. This news item is important because otherwise users will be missing updates to the system set if they

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] PROPERTIES=virtual for meta-packages (clarification of definition)

2008-09-05 Thread Joe Peterson
Marius Mauch wrote: If it's only used to indicate that the package doesn't install any files I'd suggest to use 'empty' or 'nocontents' instead. 'virtual' somehow implies that it's only applicable to packages in the 'virtual' category, which isn't the case with the given definition (as you

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] PROPERTIES=live (instead of PROPERTIES=live-sources or RESTRICT=live)

2008-09-05 Thread Joe Peterson
Marius Mauch wrote: Not sure if 'live' is really the best choice here, as many things also apply to e.g. automated daily/nightly snapshots/builds that might also be useful to support. Maybe 'unversioned' is more accurate. I think the most important thing to convey with this property is that

Re: [gentoo-dev] News item: World file handling changes in Portage-2.2

2008-09-05 Thread Joe Peterson
Marius Mauch wrote: First, regarding the news item, I'd suggest that instead of telling users to modify world_sets manually to use `emerge --noreplace @system`. ++ Second for the suggestions on how to handle the transition: - treating 'world' and '@world' differently is a no go from my POV.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] PROPERTIES=virtual for meta-packages (clarification of definition)

2008-09-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 09:38:32 -0600 Joe Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marius Mauch wrote: If it's only used to indicate that the package doesn't install any files I'd suggest to use 'empty' or 'nocontents' instead. 'virtual' somehow implies that it's only applicable to packages in the

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] PROPERTIES=virtual for meta-packages (clarification of definition)

2008-09-05 Thread Joe Peterson
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Except it doesn't. A virtual ebuild: * installs nothing * does nothing I'd say that virtual does indeed do something: it pulls in other packages. * should be treated as being very quickly installable * should be treated as having zero cost for installs The

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] EAPI 2 Draft

2008-09-05 Thread Petteri Räty
Alec Warner kirjoitti: On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 12:39 AM, Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Leverton wrote: 2008/9/5 Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Both approaches are essentially equivalent but it's a little simpler for ebuild writer if they don't have to customize the output file name.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] EAPI 2 Draft

2008-09-05 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
On Friday 05 September 2008 00:58:05 Zac Medico wrote:  * Default phase function implementations for older EAPIs are    accessible via functions having names that start with 'eapi',    followed by the EAPI value. Based on the lack of use cases or further responses to [1] I would suggest

[gentoo-dev] Questions about stabilization requests

2008-09-05 Thread Robert R. Russell
Some of the packages that I use are ~arch keyworded right now and I was wanting to ask some questions about when to file stabilization requests and about how much information needs to be provided when filling them. 1) How long do you recommend using a package before filing a stabilization

Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about stabilization requests

2008-09-05 Thread Alec Warner
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Robert R. Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of the packages that I use are ~arch keyworded right now and I was wanting to ask some questions about when to file stabilization requests and about how much information needs to be provided when filling them. 1)

[gentoo-dev] Re: Questions about stabilization requests

2008-09-05 Thread Christian Faulhammer
Hi, Robert R. Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 1)How long do you recommend using a package before filing a stabilization request? Usually 30 days in ~arch and no bugs open. Though this can differ, for example for big software as Gnome, KDE or Mozilla products. 2)Should I file

Re: [gentoo-dev] Jeeves IRC replacement now alive - Willikins

2008-09-05 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: | On Wed, 6 Aug 2008, Robin H. Johnson wrote: | | Getting the bot out there | - | If you would like to have the new bot in your #gentoo-* channel, would | each channel founder/leader please

[gentoo-dev] Re: Questions about stabilization requests

2008-09-05 Thread Duncan
Christian Faulhammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:47:59 +0200: 2) Should I file stabilization requests on software that works mostly as in everything that I use it for normally but I can force it to fail if I feed it some really strange