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[gentoo-dev] Stabilization of Python 3.1

2009-09-19 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
Stabilization of Python 3.1.* will be requested at the beginning of november. There was a suggestion to create a news item which would inform users that temporarily they shouldn't switch to Python 3 as their main interpreter. Python ebuilds don't automatically activate Python 3, so I'm not sure if

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stabilization of Python 3.1

2009-09-19 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 18:48, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote: Stabilization of Python 3.1.* will be requested at the beginning of november. There was a suggestion to create a news item which would inform users that temporarily they shouldn't switch to Python 3 as

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stabilization of Python 3.1

2009-09-19 Thread Alex Legler
On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 18:48:27 +0200, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote: Stabilization of Python 3.1.* will be requested at the beginning of november. There was a suggestion to create a news item which would inform users that temporarily they shouldn't switch to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stabilization of Python 3.1

2009-09-19 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 19:06, Alex Legler a...@gentoo.org wrote: What is the point of stabilizing it if users shouldn't use it as main interpreter? Just leave it in ~arch until it can be safely used. Making it easily available so that people can port stuff, so that the entire world may be able

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stabilization of Python 3.1

2009-09-19 Thread Dale
Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 19:06, Alex Legler a...@gentoo.org wrote: What is the point of stabilizing it if users shouldn't use it as main interpreter? Just leave it in ~arch until it can be safely used. Making it easily available so that people can port stuff,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stabilization of Python 3.1

2009-09-19 Thread Alex Legler
On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 19:09:38 +0200, Dirkjan Ochtman d...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 19:06, Alex Legler a...@gentoo.org wrote: What is the point of stabilizing it if users shouldn't use it as main interpreter? Just leave it in ~arch until it can be safely used. Making it

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stabilization of Python 3.1

2009-09-19 Thread Olivier Crête
On Sat, 2009-09-19 at 12:21 -0500, Dale wrote: Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 19:06, Alex Legler a...@gentoo.org wrote: What is the point of stabilizing it if users shouldn't use it as main interpreter? Just leave it in ~arch until it can be safely used.

[gentoo-dev] Re: Stabilization of Python 3.1

2009-09-19 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 09/19/2009 08:21 PM, Dale wrote: Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 19:06, Alex Leglera...@gentoo.org wrote: What is the point of stabilizing it if users shouldn't use it as main interpreter? Just leave it in ~arch until it can be safely used. Making it easily available so

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stabilization of Python 3.1

2009-09-19 Thread AllenJB
Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 19:06, Alex Legler a...@gentoo.org wrote: What is the point of stabilizing it if users shouldn't use it as main interpreter? Just leave it in ~arch until it can be safely used. Making it easily available so that people can port stuff, so that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stabilization of Python 3.1

2009-09-19 Thread Tobias Klausmann
Hi! Aside from the remarks made by others (and speaking as someone who maintains Python software), there is one reason for me to not switch Python 3 to stable yet: lack of compatibility. Software that runs with 3.x will not run with any 2.x version as of today (and I doubt there will ever be a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stabilization of Python 3.1

2009-09-19 Thread AllenJB
Alex Legler wrote: On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 19:09:38 +0200, Dirkjan Ochtman d...@gentoo.org wrote: Seriously, it's out there, there's no reason to keep it from stable. Just prevent people from making python invoke 3.x and everything will be fine. Yeah, right, let's install it on all those

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stabilization of Python 3.1

2009-09-19 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote: Stabilization of Python 3.1.* will be requested at the beginning of november. There was a suggestion to create a news item which would inform users that temporarily they shouldn't switch to Python 3

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stabilization of Python 3.1

2009-09-19 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2009-09-19 20:22:49 Tobias Klausmann napisał(a): Hi! Aside from the remarks made by others (and speaking as someone who maintains Python software), there is one reason for me to not switch Python 3 to stable yet: lack of compatibility. Software that runs with 3.x will not run with any 2.x

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stabilization of Python 3.1

2009-09-19 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2009-09-19 20:45:45 Nirbheek Chauhan napisał(a): On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote: Stabilization of Python 3.1.* will be requested at the beginning of november. There was a suggestion to create a news item which would inform

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stabilization of Python 3.1

2009-09-19 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2009-09-19 20:20:10 AllenJB napisał(a): Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 19:06, Alex Legler a...@gentoo.org wrote: What is the point of stabilizing it if users shouldn't use it as main interpreter? Just leave it in ~arch until it can be safely used. Making it easily

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stabilization of Python 3.1

2009-09-19 Thread Mark Loeser
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org said: Stabilization of Python 3.1.* will be requested at the beginning of november. There was a suggestion to create a news item which would inform users that temporarily they shouldn't switch to Python 3 as their main interpreter. Python

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stabilization of Python 3.1

2009-09-19 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 12:23 AM, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote: Have any other distribution moved to purely using python-3.1? We won't move to purely using Python 3.1. Both Python 2 and 3 will be used. Let me modify me question: Has any other distribution

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stabilization of Python 3.1

2009-09-19 Thread Petteri Räty
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: 2009-09-19 20:20:10 AllenJB napisał(a): Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 19:06, Alex Legler a...@gentoo.org wrote: What is the point of stabilizing it if users shouldn't use it as main interpreter? Just leave it in ~arch until it can be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stabilization of Python 3.1

2009-09-19 Thread Robert Bridge
Speaking as a user, I seem to recall having multiple versions of python installed in the past, and never really knowing or caring which version was being used so long as stuff worked. If you want to install python-3.14159 in the stable tree, than go right ahead, so long as anything that doesn't

[gentoo-dev] Re: Stabilization of Python 3.1

2009-09-19 Thread Ryan Hill
On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:35:08 -0400 Mark Loeser halc...@gentoo.org wrote: Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org said: Stabilization of Python 3.1.* will be requested at the beginning of november. There was a suggestion to create a news item which would inform users that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stabilization of Python 3.1

2009-09-19 Thread Alistair Bush
Stabilization of Python 3.1.* will be requested at the beginning of november. There was a suggestion to create a news item which would inform users that temporarily they shouldn't switch to Python 3 as their main interpreter. Python ebuilds don't automatically activate Python 3, so I'm

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stabilization of Python 3.1

2009-09-19 Thread Dale
Olivier Crête wrote: On Sat, 2009-09-19 at 12:21 -0500, Dale wrote: Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 19:06, Alex Legler a...@gentoo.org wrote: What is the point of stabilizing it if users shouldn't use it as main interpreter? Just leave it in ~arch until it

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stabilization of Python 3.1

2009-09-19 Thread Dawid Węgliński
On Sunday 20 of September 2009 00:32:28 Dale wrote: ~arch is for testing ebuilds, not the upstream package So it would be OK to mark something stable even tho portage itself doesn't work with it? Sorry, this makes no sense to me. I run stable for the most part and having a package that

[gentoo-dev] Re: Stabilization of Python 3.1

2009-09-19 Thread Mark Bateman
AllenJB gentoo-lists at allenjb.me.uk writes: As a user who has spent a lot of time on IRC and the forums supporting other users, I think I can safely say that stabilizing a version of python which is not supported by portage will end up in a nightmare scenario. At the very least portage,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stabilization of Python 3.1

2009-09-19 Thread Alex Alexander
*On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 23:21, Robert Bridge rob...@robbieab.com wrote: So the question isn't SHOULD python-3 be stabilised, it's what will break if it is surely? There seems to be a misunderstanding on what will happen if/when python 3 gets stabilized. The short answer is... *drum roll*...

[gentoo-dev] Re: Stabilization of Python 3.1

2009-09-19 Thread Ryan Hill
On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 08:55:00 +1200 Alistair Bush ali_b...@gentoo.org wrote: Stabilization of Python 3.1.* will be requested at the beginning of november. There was a suggestion to create a news item which would inform users that temporarily they shouldn't switch to Python 3 as their main

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Stabilization of Python 3.1

2009-09-19 Thread Francesco R
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 1:31 AM, Ryan Hill dirtye...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 08:55:00 +1200 Alistair Bush ali_b...@gentoo.org wrote: Stabilization of Python 3.1.* will be requested at the beginning of november. There was a suggestion to create a news item which would

[gentoo-dev] EAPI and system packages

2009-09-19 Thread Ryan Hill
(Yes, this has EAPI in the title, so that means everyone will chime in) I'd like to clarify and (eventually) set in stone our ideas of best practices when it comes to bumping EAPI for system packages. I was of the belief that we had decided that system packages should remain at EAPI 0 for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Stabilization of Python 3.1

2009-09-19 Thread Alistair Bush
Someone here want people install paludis? because when I've switched to python 3.0 just out of curiosity, it broke totally that python written package manager who is portage. So another package manager was needed to re-install a sane portage. No it wasn't. [1] You just didn't know that (