[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] LibreSSL, introduce virtual/openssl

2014-07-16 Thread Duncan
Matthew Summers posted on Tue, 15 Jul 2014 09:18:23 -0500 as excerpted: So, libressl is really nowhere near ready for prime time or even late night TV (perhaps the day time talk shows, but that is a stretch given the PRNG situation). I think preparing a virtual and updating dependent ebuilds

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] last rites: games-fps/postal2mp-demo

2014-07-16 Thread Denis Dupeyron
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: Last rites cancelled; found a version bump'ed distfile via icculus, so this one can live a little longer. I have once asked Robin to archive the distfiles for a commercial package which has RESTRICT=mirror. My reasoning at

Re: [gentoo-dev] The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-16 Thread Denis Dupeyron
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 12:11 PM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: a) I'm not sure if I want to be in a team where vapier is lead. The only position you don't want vapier in is behind you. He humps. Denis.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-16 Thread Denis Dupeyron
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 12:10 PM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: People often reply aggressively to unrequested reviews People often replay aggressively when they feel aggressed. Food for thought? Denis.

[gentoo-dev] Re: last rites: games-fps/postal2mp-demo

2014-07-16 Thread Ulrich Mueller
On Wed, 16 Jul 2014, Denis Dupeyron wrote: I have once asked Robin to archive the distfiles for a commercial package which has RESTRICT=mirror. My reasoning at the time was that if upstream disappears there's a good chance, depending on why that happens, we can qualify the software as

Re: [gentoo-dev] The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-16 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Denis Dupeyron calc...@gentoo.org wrote: The only position you don't want vapier in is behind you. He humps. This seems rather wildly inappropriate. WTF? Cheers, Dirkjan

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: last rites: games-fps/postal2mp-demo

2014-07-16 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote: IANAL, but there is no such concept as abandonware in copyright law. Copyright can expire, at which point the work enters into the public domain. However, the time for that is generally too long to play any practical role

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: last rites: games-fps/postal2mp-demo

2014-07-16 Thread Wulf C. Krueger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 16.07.2014 18:06, Rich Freeman wrote: IANAL, but there is no such concept as abandonware in copyright law. [...] This is legally a very risky thing to do. If you're going to do it you want to take advantage of countries with friendly laws,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: last rites: games-fps/postal2mp-demo

2014-07-16 Thread Alexander Berntsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Ulrich is right. Abandonware just means orphaned works -- i.e. the copyright holder hasn't sued anyone yet. Gentoo should not have anything to do with this. - -- Alexander berna...@gentoo.org https://secure.plaimi.net/~alexander -BEGIN PGP

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: last rites: games-fps/postal2mp-demo

2014-07-16 Thread Denis Dupeyron
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Alexander Berntsen berna...@gentoo.org wrote: Ulrich is right. Abandonware just means orphaned works -- i.e. the copyright holder hasn't sued anyone yet. Gentoo should not have anything to do with this. I agree with you and Ulrich. That was a very poor choice

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: last rites: games-fps/postal2mp-demo

2014-07-16 Thread Alexander Berntsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 16/07/14 21:19, Denis Dupeyron wrote: I agree with you and Ulrich. That was a very poor choice of word from my part and not what I wanted to say. I didn't mean we should distribute distfiles without consent, but back them up to a hidden

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: last rites: games-fps/postal2mp-demo

2014-07-16 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 16/07/14 03:19 PM, Denis Dupeyron wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Alexander Berntsen berna...@gentoo.org wrote: Ulrich is right. Abandonware just means orphaned works -- i.e. the copyright holder hasn't sued anyone yet. Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: last rites: games-fps/postal2mp-demo

2014-07-16 Thread Denis Dupeyron
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: So, RESTRICT=mirror would turn into RESTRICT=officially-dont-mirror-but-actually-do-just-in-case-distfiles-are-dropped-upstream-but-after-we-still-cant-officially-mirror-them-due-to-license-and-copyright-infringement-anyway

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: last rites: games-fps/postal2mp-demo

2014-07-16 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Denis Dupeyron calc...@gentoo.org wrote: Let me try and be clearer. The packages I'm concerned with have had their distfiles backed up. We're not yet in that situation but the day the publisher stops distributing these distfiles, I'll be ready to send the

[gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-16 Thread Duncan
Dirkjan Ochtman posted on Wed, 16 Jul 2014 16:53:25 +0200 as excerpted: On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 someone wrote: The only position you don't want vapier in is behind you. He humps. This seems rather wildly inappropriate. WTF? FWIW, it's apparently an inside joke going back many years, possibly

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: last rites: games-fps/postal2mp-demo

2014-07-16 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 16/07/14 03:54 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Denis Dupeyron calc...@gentoo.org wrote: Let me try and be clearer. The packages I'm concerned with have had their distfiles backed up. We're not yet in that situation

Re: [gentoo-dev] The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-16 Thread hasufell
Denis Dupeyron: On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 12:11 PM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: a) I'm not sure if I want to be in a team where vapier is lead. The only position you don't want vapier in is behind you. He humps. I have no idea what to respond to that, except that you seem to ignore

Re: [gentoo-dev] The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-16 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 16:53:25 +0200 Dirkjan Ochtman d...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Denis Dupeyron calc...@gentoo.org wrote: The only position you don't want vapier in is behind you. He humps. This seems rather wildly inappropriate. WTF? It's an injoke. Next thing

Re: [gentoo-dev] The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-16 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
Sent from an iPhone, sorry for the HTML... On Jul 16, 2014, at 7:24 PM, Jeroen Roovers j...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 16:53:25 +0200 Dirkjan Ochtman d...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Denis Dupeyron calc...@gentoo.org wrote: The only position you don't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: last rites: games-fps/postal2mp-demo

2014-07-16 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Wulf C. Krueger philant...@exherbo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 16.07.2014 18:06, Rich Freeman wrote: IANAL, but there is no such concept as abandonware in copyright law. [...] This is legally a very risky thing to do. If