Re: [gentoo-dev] About testing applications

2007-03-18 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On 2007/03/19, Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the nice thing about having a ~/.config/ [...] Other nice things about it come from it not being an hardcoded path, but just a default for $XDG_CONFIG_HOME. For instance, when testing a new version of an application, you can "XDG_CONFI

Re: [gentoo-dev] About testing applications

2007-03-18 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 03:38 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > what is the problem as you see it ? the nice thing about having a ~/.config/ > is that it's a directory that can obviously be added to backups or sync > programs for keeping $HOME the same across multiple machines ... you dont > have to

Re: [gentoo-dev] About testing applications

2007-03-18 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 18 March 2007, Simon Stelling wrote: > Petteri Räty wrote: > > Many applications save preferences in ~/./. When testing > > applications please make sure you test with an empty directory to catch > > cases when an upgrade works fine but a clean install doesn't. Thanks. > > Even better: Fi

Re: [gentoo-dev] About testing applications

2007-03-18 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 19 March 2007, Josh Saddler wrote: > I prefer per app configs right in my homedir, not in ~/.config/ -- this isnt really a point that will ever be "solved" ... you'll always have people who prefer the classical *nix approach over anything else -mike pgptP04nsuaBx.pgp Description: PGP

Re: [gentoo-dev] About testing applications

2007-03-18 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 19 March 2007, Pierre-Yves Rofes wrote: > Well, I'd tend to say that it's not noticeable even under $(HOME) because > one issues a "ls [-l]" more often than a "ls -a[l]". > Besides, moving all into ~/.config is just moving the problem somewhere > else, not really solving it. what is the

Re: [gentoo-dev] About testing applications

2007-03-18 Thread Josh Saddler
Pierre-Yves Rofes wrote: > Well, I'd tend to say that it's not noticeable even under $(HOME) because > one issues a "ls [-l]" more often than a "ls -a[l]". > Besides, moving all into ~/.config is just moving the problem somewhere > else, not really solving it. Agreed. It's just moving the problem

Re: [gentoo-dev] About testing applications

2007-03-18 Thread Pierre-Yves Rofes
On Sun, March 18, 2007 10:53 pm, Stephen Bennett wrote: > On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 21:46:40 + > "Jeff Rollin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Which is why I was saying there was no point in a ~/.config >> directory... > > Generally speaking one lists the contents of one's home directory more often t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Why I don't think the CoC is a good idea

2007-03-18 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 14 March 2007, Alexandre Buisse wrote: > The answer to that remark, and it has already been done in today's > discussions, is that we should follow the spirit of the law and not its > letter. But then, why do we need a Code of Conduct at all? There is > nothing in it that people don't

Re: [gentoo-dev] My turn to wear the cursed medalion of retirement

2007-03-18 Thread Alistair Bush
Hi Alexandre. I too would like to hear what your ideas are for the metastructure of gentoo. Please if you dont feel up to "officially" submitting them then at least submit them to this list. Alistair On 3/19/07, Seemant Kulleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Alexandre, Good luck in your new

Re: [gentoo-dev] moving USE=server to global

2007-03-18 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Saturday 17 March 2007, Steve Long wrote: Piotr Jaroszy?ski wrote: I have heard about the magic limit of 5, but whatever... Is there a *technical* objection then to server? if you're going to change the topic mid-thread, then you should update the

Re: [gentoo-dev] My turn to wear the cursed medalion of retirement

2007-03-18 Thread Seemant Kulleen
Hi Alexandre, Good luck in your new life. My only comment is that I think you copped out by not submitting your proposals for any sort of peer review. You succumbed to the possibility (that you seem to think is more of a probability -- you may be right, I don't know) that it would not be receive

[gentoo-dev] Automated Package Removal and Addition Tracker, for the week ending 2007-03-18 23h59 UTC

2007-03-18 Thread Robin H. Johnson
The attached list notes all of the packages that were added or removed from the tree, for the week ending 2007-03-18 23h59 UTC. Removals: net-p2p/mnet2007-03-13 11:48:29 armin76 games-fps/quake12007-03-14 02:16:29 mr_bones_ games-fps/ttyq

[gentoo-dev] My turn to wear the cursed medalion of retirement

2007-03-18 Thread Alexandre Buisse
Hi, I think the time has come for me to retire as a gentoo dev. There are multiple reasons to that, but mainly, it has stopped being fun a good while ago, and I don't like where I see the project heading. One of the main reasons that I am involved in free software in the first place is because o

[gentoo-dev] text-markup hydra has born two new heads: sgml and tex

2007-03-18 Thread Alexandre Buisse
Hi everyone, as announced some time ago on this list, the text-markup herd has been split in two different herds: sgml, which will deal with (surprisingly) sgml and docbook packages, and tex for (La)TeX packages. An arbitrary decision of herding general text and OCR packages under tex has also bee

Re: [gentoo-dev] About testing applications

2007-03-18 Thread Jakub Moc
Jeff Rollin napsal(a): > On 18/03/07, Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> It wouldn't become any more or less cluttered than ~/ now... > Which is why I was saying there was no point in a ~/.config directory... I guess you are missing the point? Fire up Midnight Commander and watch the cruft i

Re: [gentoo-dev] About testing applications

2007-03-18 Thread Stephen Bennett
On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 21:46:40 + "Jeff Rollin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Which is why I was saying there was no point in a ~/.config > directory... Generally speaking one lists the contents of one's home directory more often than one lists ~/.config. It moves the clutter to a place where it'

Re: [gentoo-dev] About testing applications

2007-03-18 Thread Jeff Rollin
On 18/03/07, Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jeff Rollin napsal(a): > On 18/03/07, Piotr Jaroszyński <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Sunday 18 of March 2007 13:37:55 Jeff Rollin wrote: >> > Also, if you have a .config directory to put all these files in, ~ >> > becomes less cluttered but ~/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Firefox 1.5 series will get removed in 30 days

2007-03-18 Thread Raúl Porcel
Sorry for sending the mail in HTML :) It won't happen again. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] About testing applications

2007-03-18 Thread Jakub Moc
Jeff Rollin napsal(a): > On 18/03/07, Piotr Jaroszyński <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Sunday 18 of March 2007 13:37:55 Jeff Rollin wrote: >> > Also, if you have a .config directory to put all these files in, ~ >> > becomes less cluttered but ~/.config becomes VERY cluttered! >> Nothing prevents

Re: [gentoo-dev] About testing applications

2007-03-18 Thread Jeff Rollin
On 18/03/07, Piotr Jaroszyński <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sunday 18 of March 2007 13:37:55 Jeff Rollin wrote: > Also, if you have a .config directory to put all these files in, ~ > becomes less cluttered but ~/.config becomes VERY cluttered! Nothing prevents from making appdirs in .config too.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Firefox 1.5 series will get removed in 30 days

2007-03-18 Thread Raúl Porcel
Petteri Räty wrote: > Raúl Porcel kirjoitti: >> Hi, >> >> The mozilla team has decided that the >> www-client/mozilla-firefox[-bin]-1.5* series will get masked two weeks >> from now (18 Mar 2007), that is *1 April 2007*. *And will be removed >> after two weeks from that date*, which will be *15 Apr

Re: [gentoo-dev] dont use `which` in ebuilds

2007-03-18 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Friday 16 March 2007, Petteri Räty wrote: > Ned Ludd wrote: > > Here are the remaining offenders for sync 1174037821 that match > > '$(which ' or '`which ' in eclasses and ebuilds. > > > > dev-db/hsqldb/hsqldb-1.7.3.1-r1.ebuild:48: > > This one just echos which to a script so it's safe I think.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Firefox 1.5 series will get removed in 30 days

2007-03-18 Thread Petteri Räty
Andrew Gaffney kirjoitti: > Petteri Räty wrote: >> Raúl Porcel kirjoitti: >>> Hi, >>> >>> The mozilla team has decided that the >>> www-client/mozilla-firefox[-bin]-1.5* series will get masked two weeks >>> from now (18 Mar 2007), that is *1 April 2007*. *And will be removed >>> after two weeks fr

Re: [gentoo-dev] Firefox 1.5 series will get removed in 30 days

2007-03-18 Thread Andrew Gaffney
Petteri Räty wrote: Raúl Porcel kirjoitti: Hi, The mozilla team has decided that the www-client/mozilla-firefox[-bin]-1.5* series will get masked two weeks from now (18 Mar 2007), that is *1 April 2007*. *And will be removed after two weeks from that date*, which will be *15 April 2007*. Sh

Re: [gentoo-dev] Firefox 1.5 series will get removed in 30 days

2007-03-18 Thread Petteri Räty
Raúl Porcel kirjoitti: > Hi, > > The mozilla team has decided that the > www-client/mozilla-firefox[-bin]-1.5* series will get masked two weeks > from now (18 Mar 2007), that is *1 April 2007*. *And will be removed > after two weeks from that date*, which will be *15 April 2007*. > Shouldn't an

[gentoo-dev] Firefox 1.5 series will get removed in 30 days

2007-03-18 Thread Raúl Porcel
Hi, The mozilla team has decided that the www-client/mozilla-firefox[-bin]-1.5* series will get masked two weeks from now (18 Mar 2007), that is 1 April 2007. And will be removed after two weeks from that date, which will be 15 April 2007. Mozilla will drop support for that series from 24 Apr

[gentoo-dev] Last rites: www-servers/ncsa-httpd and net-im/aim-transport

2007-03-18 Thread Raúl Porcel
# Raúl Porcel (18 Mar 2007) # Pending removal 17 May 2007, for treecleaners # www-servers/ncsa-httpd -> bug 122134 # net-im/aim-transport -> bug 145858 www-servers/ncsa-httpd net-im/aim-transport -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] About testing applications

2007-03-18 Thread Piotr Jaroszyński
On Sunday 18 of March 2007 13:37:55 Jeff Rollin wrote: > Also, if you have a .config directory to put all these files in, ~ > becomes less cluttered but ~/.config becomes VERY cluttered! Nothing prevents from making appdirs in .config too. -- Best Regards, Piotr Jaroszyński -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.o

Re: [gentoo-dev] About testing applications

2007-03-18 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On 2007/03/18, Simon Stelling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Even better: Fix them to use ~/.config/ instead You mean "${XDG_CONFIG_HOME:-${HOME}/.config}/", right? http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/latest/ar01s03.html -- TGL. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] About testing applications

2007-03-18 Thread Jeff Rollin
On 18/03/07, Nirbheek Chauhan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, Won't that break configs/increase clutter for people who share their home directories between two distributions since they'll have to restort to symlinks to make stuff work? I myself have gentoo and ubuntu installed and am sharing my ho

Re: [gentoo-dev] About testing applications

2007-03-18 Thread Petteri Räty
Krzysiek Pawlik kirjoitti: > Simon Stelling wrote: >> Even better: Fix them to use ~/.config/ instead, so they don't >> clutter up the home unnecessarily :) > > Won't it change how the vanilla upstream version and the one from portage > behave? IMHO such changes are not a good idea. > Just send

Re: [gentoo-dev] About testing applications

2007-03-18 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
Hi, Won't that break configs/increase clutter for people who share their home directories between two distributions since they'll have to restort to symlinks to make stuff work? I myself have gentoo and ubuntu installed and am sharing my home directory between them. I have to use ubuntu for mainta

Re: [gentoo-dev] About testing applications

2007-03-18 Thread Krzysiek Pawlik
Simon Stelling wrote: > Even better: Fix them to use ~/.config/ instead, so they don't > clutter up the home unnecessarily :) Won't it change how the vanilla upstream version and the one from portage behave? IMHO such changes are not a good idea. -- Krzysiek Pawlik key id: 0xBC51 deskto

Re: [gentoo-dev] About testing applications

2007-03-18 Thread Simon Stelling
Petteri Räty wrote: Many applications save preferences in ~/./. When testing applications please make sure you test with an empty directory to catch cases when an upgrade works fine but a clean install doesn't. Thanks. Even better: Fix them to use ~/.config/ instead, so they don't clutter up t

[gentoo-dev] About testing applications

2007-03-18 Thread Petteri Räty
Many applications save preferences in ~/./. When testing applications please make sure you test with an empty directory to catch cases when an upgrade works fine but a clean install doesn't. Thanks. Regards, Petteri signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] removal of /etc/dev.d - cleanup of /etc/udev/rules.d/

2007-03-18 Thread Georgi Georgiev
maillog: 18/03/2007-10:57:01(+0100): Matthias Schwarzott types > On Donnerstag, 15. März 2007, Matthias Schwarzott wrote: > > Hi fellows! > > > > > > 2. I think we should get udev rules directory (/etc/udev/rules.d/) a bit > > more cleaned up. > > > > At the moment a lot of packages install their f

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] removal of /etc/dev.d - cleanup of /etc/udev/rules.d/

2007-03-18 Thread Matthias Schwarzott
On Donnerstag, 15. März 2007, Matthias Schwarzott wrote: > Hi fellows! > > > 2. I think we should get udev rules directory (/etc/udev/rules.d/) a bit > more cleaned up. > > At the moment a lot of packages install their files prefixed with 99. > I does not like that, and in the future that should pe

[gentoo-dev] moving USE=server to global

2007-03-18 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 17 March 2007, Steve Long wrote: > Piotr Jaroszy?ski wrote: > > I have heard about the magic limit of 5, but whatever... > > Is there a *technical* objection then to server? if you're going to change the topic mid-thread, then you should update the subject you already know the state