Re: [gentoo-dev] Jun 11th, 2009 Council Meeting Format

2009-06-03 Thread Richard Freeman
Denis Dupeyron wrote: In my manifesto [1] I have proposed something significantly different which simply consists in spinning the long discussions off the council meetings using more focused groups ++ I've seen this used to good effect on projects at work. The only challenge might be the fac

Re: [gentoo-dev] A new glep: Ebuild format and metadata handling

2009-06-03 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 6:22 AM, Wyatt Epp wrote: > Okay, this has been bothering mesorry if this is a sort of silly > question, but why not just use the (already extant) metadata.xml for > the...err, metadata about a package? > That's because package-manager critical information cannot be inc

Re: [gentoo-dev] A new glep: Ebuild format and metadata handling

2009-06-03 Thread Wyatt Epp
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Richard Freeman wrote: > > glep55: See GLEP55. To summarize: The eapi is put into the file name so > that the package manager knows the EAPI (and thus how to handle this file > format). While it simplifies the eapi discovery this comes at a high price > as there i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC:sys-apps/portage @overlay atoms postfix support

2009-06-03 Thread Piotr Jaroszyński
2009/6/2 Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net>: > :: lacks that confusion.  It does have the additional complication of > needing quoted or escaped in the shell, but users are supposed to do a > --pretend anyway, and after it doesn't output what's expected, a user of > any shell experience at all should co

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for June

2009-06-03 Thread Mounir Lamouri
Mike Frysinger wrote: > This is your monthly friendly reminder ! Same bat time (typically > the 2nd Thursday at 2000 UTC / 1600 EST), same bat channel > (#gentoo-council @ irc.freenode.net) ! > > If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even > vote on, let us know ! Simply rep

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: ACCEPT_LICENSE default value (GLEP 23)

2009-06-03 Thread Mounir Lamouri
Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:22 AM, Mounir Lamouri wrote: > >> Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: >> >>> Most licenses aren't for usage, but for distribution -- surely you mean >>> EULAs? >>> >>> >> License and EULA is the same for most users and it's exactly the same >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] Jun 11th, 2009 Council Meeting Format

2009-06-03 Thread Denis Dupeyron
Hi Doug, I just got to this thread, so sorry for entering the debate a bit late. I find your propositions very interesting. In my manifesto [1] I have proposed something significantly different which simply consists in spinning the long discussions off the council meetings using more focused group

Re: [gentoo-dev] Jun 11th, 2009 Council Meeting Format

2009-06-03 Thread Piotr Jaroszyński
2009/6/2 Doug Goldstein : > All, > > The current council meetings have gotten completely out of hand for > weeks meetings have become nothing more then a continuation of the > senseless bicker-fest that have become the e-mail threads on GLEP54, > GLEP55, and EAPI-3 without any real progress or sens

Re: [gentoo-dev] New global USE flags (network, 3dnowext, static-libs, mtp)

2009-06-03 Thread Samuli Suominen
Mounir Lamouri wrote: > Samuli Suominen wrote: >> Mart Raudsepp wrote: >> >>> On K, 2009-06-03 at 02:13 +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote: >>> USE network is used by 9 ebuilds, and one is using USE networking which can be converted, that'd be 10. >> USE network "Enable netw

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: How not to discuss

2009-06-03 Thread Richard Freeman
Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote: Richard Freeman wrote: Without actually intending to open a new debate on that issue , I'm actually a fan of NOT obtaining PN and PV from the filename. I've seen an approach like this used in various systems and I happen to like it: In which systems did you see

Re: [gentoo-dev] New global USE flags (network, 3dnowext, static-libs, mtp)

2009-06-03 Thread Mounir Lamouri
Samuli Suominen wrote: > Mart Raudsepp wrote: > >> On K, 2009-06-03 at 02:13 +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote: >> >>> USE network is used by 9 ebuilds, and one is using USE networking which >>> can be converted, that'd be 10. >>> > USE network "Enable networking support Maybe "network" a

Re: [gentoo-dev] New metadata fields

2009-06-03 Thread Mounir Lamouri
Jeremy Olexa wrote: > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Steve Dibb wrote: > >> I had an idea for some new fields to go in metadata.xml. Not sure if we >> would need a GLEP for this or not? Anyway, what do you guys think: >> >> Two things I can think of adding that would be useful: >> >> - Chang

Re: [gentoo-dev] New global USE flags (network, 3dnowext, static-libs, mtp)

2009-06-03 Thread Samuli Suominen
Mart Raudsepp wrote: > On K, 2009-06-03 at 02:13 +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote: >> USE network is used by 9 ebuilds, and one is using USE networking which >> can be converted, that'd be 10. USE network "Enable networking support" >> >> >> USE 3dnowext is basic optimization, 3 ebuilds, but it shoul

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council 2009/2010 - Nominations are now open

2009-06-03 Thread Denis Dupeyron
2009/6/1 Dawid Węgliński : > I nominate: [...] > Calchan Thanks Dawid, and also Ferris. I accept. You can find my manifesto at http://dev.gentoo.org/~calchan/manifesto09/manifesto.html Denis.

Re: [gentoo-dev] New metadata fields

2009-06-03 Thread Douglas Anderson
The equery 'meta' module in gentoolkit-0.3.0* can show all the upstream fields, though not many packages currently make use of it. Oh yeah, and there's a traceback in the upstream code that's been fixed but won't be in the tree until rc7, so you may want to wait to check it out. $ equery m --upst

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: ACCEPT_LICENSE default value (GLEP 23)

2009-06-03 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:22 AM, Mounir Lamouri wrote: > Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: >> Most licenses aren't for usage, but for distribution -- surely you mean >> EULAs? >> > License and EULA is the same for most users and it's exactly the same > for ebuilds/portage. EULA is an End-User license agree

Re: [gentoo-dev] New eclass proposal: auto-export

2009-06-03 Thread Maciej Mrozowski
On Wednesday 22 of April 2009 15:35:37 Petteri Räty wrote: > Here's an eclass proposal to wrap EXPORT_FUNCTIONS with auto detection > of functions. This way all eclasses don't have to duplicate the EAPI > detection code. If people find this useful, I will document it properly > with eclass-manpages

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council 2009/2010 - Nominations are now open

2009-06-03 Thread Piotr Jaroszyński
2009/6/1 Dawid Węgliński : > On Monday 01 of June 2009 06:25:06 Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: >> Hello fellow developers and users. >> > > I nominate: > peper Thank you, I accept. -- Best Regards, Piotr Jaroszyński

Re: [gentoo-dev] New metadata fields

2009-06-03 Thread Jeremy Olexa
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Steve Dibb wrote: > I had an idea for some new fields to go in metadata.xml.  Not sure if we > would need a GLEP for this or not?  Anyway, what do you guys think: > > Two things I can think of adding that would be useful: > > - ChangeLog URL > - Bug Tracker > > I kn

Re: [gentoo-dev] New metadata fields

2009-06-03 Thread Tomáš Chvátal
Dne středa 03 Červen 2009 16:38:28 Steve Dibb napsal(a): > I had an idea for some new fields to go in metadata.xml. Not sure if we > would need a GLEP for this or not? Anyway, what do you guys think: > > Two things I can think of adding that would be useful: > > - ChangeLog URL > - Bug Tracker >

[gentoo-dev] New metadata fields

2009-06-03 Thread Steve Dibb
I had an idea for some new fields to go in metadata.xml. Not sure if we would need a GLEP for this or not? Anyway, what do you guys think: Two things I can think of adding that would be useful: - ChangeLog URL - Bug Tracker I know I hate hunting down the two of them, and both of them could b

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council 2009/2010 - Nominations are now open

2009-06-03 Thread Luca Barbato
Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > I would like to kick-start the nominations by nominating Mart Raudsepp > (leio), Petteri Räty (betelgeuse), and Luca Barbato (lu_zero) [all of > them are CCed] Patrick Lauer wrote: > * lu_zero, because he's done a good job and brings in his own ideas > without going relig

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: How not to discuss

2009-06-03 Thread Marijn Schouten (hkBst)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Richard Freeman wrote: > Steven J Long wrote: >> Getting into a nonsensical debate about PN being metadata seems to be >> the level of the argument, so forgive me for not being very impressed. >> (It's externally derived and in fact the whole point of

Re: [gentoo-dev] A new glep: Ebuild format and metadata handling

2009-06-03 Thread Michael Haubenwallner
On Sun, 2009-05-31 at 15:56 +0200, Patrick Lauer wrote: Thank you for collecting this up! > parsers: The current practise of putting the eapi definition near the top of > the ebuild, combined with the need to state it for all non-EAPI0 ebuilds, > suggests that it can be parsed without having to s

Re: [gentoo-dev] New global USE flags (network, 3dnowext, static-libs, mtp)

2009-06-03 Thread Mart Raudsepp
On K, 2009-06-03 at 02:13 +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote: > USE network is used by 9 ebuilds, and one is using USE networking which > can be converted, that'd be 10. > > > USE 3dnowext is basic optimization, 3 ebuilds, but it should be with mmx > and others. > > USE static-libs to enable or disabl