[gentoo-dev] Re: News Item: Emacs 23 upgrade
Ciaran McCreesh posted 20090730165344.10622...@snowcone, excerpted below, on Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:53:44 +0100: > On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:08:27 +0200 > Christian Faulhammer wrote: >> see attached test, please review. Translations welcome after final >> version, I can do German myself. > > Shouldn't you be showing this to people who have older emacs versions > installed, not people who have the newer version? It's slotted and whatever older version will remain the default until uninstalled (so Christian said in a different subthread), so show upon installation should be good, he seems to believe. Also, showing it for earlier versions would display it now, well before it goes stable, and stable users who read it now may well have forgotten about it by the time they actually need it. Thus, setting it to apply only when they've actually installed it is useful. Hmm... I've not looked recently. Is there a mechanism to trigger news on keyword as well as version, so that it becomes visible for ~arch users as soon as it's available to install at ~arch, but only for stable users when it becomes available in stable? It seems such a thing might be useful, particularly if it checked package.keywords as well when that mechanism is triggered. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman
[gentoo-dev] Re: [gsoc-status] portage backend for PackageKit
Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > Am Montag, 15. Juni 2009 22:51:52 schrieb Mounir Lamouri: > >> I'm working on a portage backend for PackageKit. >> > > Could you give us a small status update? > > Does your backend already work? > > Best wishes, > Arn Hi, It has been a while without weekly updates even if my mentor suffers^W benefits of frequent updates, I didn't get really interesting things to be said here. Actually, I had some issues with the last functions I had to re-write. The backend is now ready. You should be able to do anything in a beta/realease candidate quality. Even if I think there are still two features that can (timely speaking) and need (user's point of view speaking) to be added: - configuration file update - messages / warning / errors show They are not critical for testing but only for a daily usage. I've already done the portage work for the first feature but I will have to add signal to packagekit because even if debian also needs it, it hasn't been implemented yet. The bad thing is GUI will probably not manage this feature since a quite long time. The second feature shouldn't be really hard. About the packaging. I've worked on a packagekit ebuild and even if I didn't take time to add it to the tree it could be done without a lot of work but there is not real need at the moment because -as I said before- without a GUI, packagekit is quite useless and last version of gnome-packagekit needs a version gnome-policykit that is not in the tree. As the backend should now be working correctly for a real usage it will probably add packagekit live ebuild in the tree but if you want to test the backend, I recommand you to clone packagekit and gnome-packakit repositories, it will be easier ;) After these two features, I will probably have some small things and bugs and I will move to big things for packagekit or portage needed to make the backend better. Indeed, there are a lot of things I've listed that are not really needed for a working backend and too big to be part of the gsoc. For example, merging layman into portage (actually, API will be easy but UI probably less) and having a non-verbose portage API because backends are using stdout for signals. If by any chance, you test the backend, do not hesitate to contact me for bug reports or comments. Thanks, Mounir
[gentoo-dev] Re: News Item: Emacs 23 upgrade
Josh Sled : > >> Why not just an elog during install of the emacs-23 package itself? > > > > Because nobody reads them > > If one doesn't read elog, which is at least put in the terminal during > the emerge (if not sent to IM or email), why would they read news, > which they need to go out of their way to find? Fewer people know about the elogging functionality than about their display of "You have 1 unread news item". > > and you get weird errors on start-up which > > will result in bug reports. > > Except this won't get shown until after installation anyways. > > Display-If-Installed: =app-editors/emacs-23* > > Maybe… > > Display-If-Installed: > …instead? To show to those users that are upgrade candidates? > > I do wish there was a "pretend/pre-emerge notification" capability in > portage for things like upgrade guides (libxml, python 2.5->2.6, > gnome, xorg-1.5, &c.). I guess news gets most of it, and then some. > Your system won't be rendered unusable just because you updated Emacs (the 23 version isn't activated by default if you do an upgrade, you have 22 active besides the new one). Such I want to get people who will see Emacs 23 only when it hits stable in some months. By then they will have forgotten about the news item. V-Li -- Christian Faulhammer, Gentoo Lisp project http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/lisp/>, #gentoo-lisp on FreeNode http://gentoo.faulhammer.org/> signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] Gentoo at FROSCON
Hi everyone, as every year there's a FROSCON ( http://froscon.de/ ) happening, this time on the weekend of the 22nd and 23rd of August in St.Augustin near Bonn, Germany. From the last 2 years I can say that it's one of the most fun and geeky conferences around, so better be there or you'll be sorry ;) Obviously Gentoo will have a presence there, including a small dev room. So if you're going to be there give us a visit and enjoy the conference. We'll show off the usual things, including machines scrolling compiler output all day and hopefully exotic things like Gentoo/Interix(Win32). Hope to see lots of you there, Patrick
Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for net-misc/asterisk-chan_bluetooth
Mounir Lamouri schrieb: > # Mounir Lamouri (30 Jul 2009) > # Masked for removal in 60 days. > # Upstream's unactive since 2005. Do not support asterisk versions in tree. > # bug 279383 > net-misc/asterisk-chan_bluetooth > > may be replaced by (unpackaged) "chan_mobile"? --> http://www.chan-mobile.org/ Christian
[gentoo-dev] Last rites for net-misc/asterisk-chan_bluetooth
# Mounir Lamouri (30 Jul 2009) # Masked for removal in 60 days. # Upstream's unactive since 2005. Do not support asterisk versions in tree. # bug 279383 net-misc/asterisk-chan_bluetooth
Re: [gentoo-dev] News Item: Emacs 23 upgrade
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:08:27 +0200 Christian Faulhammer wrote: > see attached test, please review. Translations welcome after final > version, I can do German myself. Shouldn't you be showing this to people who have older emacs versions installed, not people who have the newer version? -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: News Item: Emacs 23 upgrade
Christian Faulhammer writes:
> Josh Sled :
>> Christian Faulhammer writes:
>> > see attached test, please review.
>>
>> Why not just an elog during install of the emacs-23 package itself?
>
> Because nobody reads them
If one doesn't read elog, which is at least put in the terminal during
the emerge (if not sent to IM or email), why would they read news, which
they need to go out of their way to find?
> and you get weird errors on start-up which
> will result in bug reports.
Except this won't get shown until after installation anyways.
Display-If-Installed: =app-editors/emacs-23*
Maybe…
Display-If-Installed: 2.6, gnome,
xorg-1.5, &c.). I guess news gets most of it, and then some.
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[gentoo-dev] Re: News Item: Emacs 23 upgrade
Hi, Josh Sled : > Christian Faulhammer writes: > > see attached test, please review. > > Why not just an elog during install of the emacs-23 package itself? Because nobody reads them and you get weird errors on start-up which will result in bug reports. V-Li -- Christian Faulhammer, Gentoo Lisp project http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/lisp/>, #gentoo-lisp on FreeNode http://gentoo.faulhammer.org/> signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] Lastrite: net-misc/d4x
# Samuli Suominen (30 Jul 2009) # Doesn't compile wrt #271645. Doesn't work wrt #220669. # QA issues wrt #226801. Masked for removal in 60 days. net-misc/d4x
Re: [gentoo-dev] News Item: Emacs 23 upgrade
Christian Faulhammer writes:
> see attached test, please review.
Why not just an elog during install of the emacs-23 package itself?
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[gentoo-dev] News Item: Emacs 23 upgrade
Hi, see attached test, please review. Translations welcome after final version, I can do German myself. V-Li -- Christian Faulhammer, Gentoo Lisp project http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/lisp/>, #gentoo-lisp on FreeNode http://gentoo.faulhammer.org/> Title: GNU Emacs 23 and byte-compiled .el files Author: Christian Faulhammer Content-Type: text/plain Posted: Revision: 1 News-Item-Format: 1.0 Display-If-Installed: =app-editors/emacs-23* Due to lot of internal changes GNU Emacs 23 may be incompatible with byte-compiled elisp files (suffix .elc) from older versions. All Emacs support files installed by packages either from the app-emacs category or through the emacs USE flag must be recompiled. Users can easily achieve this by installing the app-admin/emacs-updater package emerge --ask app-admin/emacs-updater and running /usr/sbin/emacs-updater as root. The package will automatically remerge all packages installed with an older version of GNU Emacs. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrite: www-plugins/mplayerplug-in
Hi, On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 19:14, George Prowse wrote: > Mike Mazur wrote: >> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 18:07, Samuli Suominen >> wrote: >>> >>> # Samuli Suomienn (30 Jul 2009) >>> # Abandonware, doesn't work with latest Firefox. >>> # Replaced by gecko-mediaplayer, see bug #273121. >>> # Masked for removal in 60 days. >>> www-plugins/mplayerplug-in >> >> Is there another package which I can use to replace the functionality? >> >> Thanks, >> Mike >> >> > # Replaced by gecko-mediaplayer, see bug #273121 Ah, thanks. I should pay more attention. Mike
[gentoo-dev] Lastrite: app-editors/qe
# Samuli Suominen (30 Jul 2009) # Doesn't compile. Masked for removal wrt #275915. app-editors/qe Had a good run, with lifesupport from Debian patchset. They removed it as well now.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrite: www-plugins/mplayerplug-in
Mike Mazur wrote: Hi. On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 18:07, Samuli Suominen wrote: # Samuli Suomienn (30 Jul 2009) # Abandonware, doesn't work with latest Firefox. # Replaced by gecko-mediaplayer, see bug #273121. # Masked for removal in 60 days. www-plugins/mplayerplug-in Is there another package which I can use to replace the functionality? Thanks, Mike # Replaced by gecko-mediaplayer, see bug #273121
Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrite: www-plugins/mplayerplug-in
Hi. On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 18:07, Samuli Suominen wrote: > # Samuli Suomienn (30 Jul 2009) > # Abandonware, doesn't work with latest Firefox. > # Replaced by gecko-mediaplayer, see bug #273121. > # Masked for removal in 60 days. > www-plugins/mplayerplug-in Is there another package which I can use to replace the functionality? Thanks, Mike
[gentoo-dev] Lastrite: www-plugins/mplayerplug-in
# Samuli Suomienn (30 Jul 2009) # Abandonware, doesn't work with latest Firefox. # Replaced by gecko-mediaplayer, see bug #273121. # Masked for removal in 60 days. www-plugins/mplayerplug-in
[gentoo-dev] Lastrite: media-sound/noteedit
# Samuli Suominen (30 Jul 2009) # Masked for removal wrt bug #276758. Upstream moved to developing Canorus, # see bug #157501. Or try media-sound/musescore as replacement. media-sound/noteedit KDE3 application with no upstream -> Won't be fixed. But indeed, canorus should have been in tree since ages ago, if you are intrested.. help would be appericiated.
