Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 2/2] install-qa-check.d: allow acct-user home directories under /home.

2020-01-20 Thread Michał Górny
On Mon, 2020-01-20 at 19:22 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > Let it die =) I'm not going to apply the patch; it's there if someone > else decides that it's the least-bad solution to this problem. > > > On 1/20/20 6:57 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > > Why *isn't* some /var/lib/... possible here?

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 2/2] install-qa-check.d: allow acct-user home directories under /home.

2020-01-20 Thread Michael Orlitzky
Let it die =) I'm not going to apply the patch; it's there if someone else decides that it's the least-bad solution to this problem. On 1/20/20 6:57 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > > Why *isn't* some /var/lib/... possible here? It is, the question is how many backflips we should be doing to avo

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 2/2] install-qa-check.d: allow acct-user home directories under /home.

2020-01-20 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Montag, 20. Januar 2020, 04:43:50 CET schrieb Michael Orlitzky: > In rare cases, a system user will need a real home directory to store > per-user configuration data and/or be accessed interactively by a > human being. In those cases, /home/${username} is an appropriate place > for the user's ho

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 0/2] allow acct-user home directories in /home

2020-01-20 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 1/20/20 5:08 PM, Alec Warner wrote: > > So I can describe in detail one example, but its not running Gentoo; so > I'm not sure if you care in practice. Yes, I'm happy to see a real example. > At work we had sec=krb5 NFS v3 mounted home directories. They were > mounted in /home (via the autom

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 0/2] allow acct-user home directories in /home

2020-01-20 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 6:20 AM Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 1/20/20 2:02 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > >> On Mon, 20 Jan 2020, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > > > >> install-qa-check.d: allow acct-user home directories under /home. > > > > Nope. As you've been told, /home is site specific and can

Re: [gentoo-dev] moving uid-gid.txt to metadata

2020-01-20 Thread William Hubbs
On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 12:56:48PM -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 1/20/20 11:57 AM, William Hubbs wrote: > > > > Imo a better fit is the metadata directory in the ebuild repository. > > That way you can add users/groups along with the acct-* packages that > > install them. > What benefit is t

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 0/2] allow acct-user home directories in /home

2020-01-20 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 1/20/20 1:39 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > I'm going to be blunt. We arbitrarily made a decision that /home > belongs to sysadmin. Please respect that. If you really believe your > package is *this* special to justify changing this arbitrary decision, > the burden of proof lies on you. > Ok.

[gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-admin/cli53

2020-01-20 Thread Mike Gilbert
# Mike Gilbert (2020-01-20) # Newer versions are using Go modules, which makes this more difficult to # maintain. Take this over if wanted, otherwise I will remove it in 30 days. app-admin/cli53

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 0/2] allow acct-user home directories in /home

2020-01-20 Thread Michał Górny
On Mon, 2020-01-20 at 10:20 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 1/20/20 9:50 AM, David Seifert wrote: > > Rich has given reasons, ulm has, and mgorny suggested a solution. > > > > Everyone's real intent on saying that there are problems without > actually typing what those problems are into the e

Re: [gentoo-dev] moving uid-gid.txt to metadata

2020-01-20 Thread Joonas Niilola
On 1/20/20 6:57 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > All, > > as I recall I was one of the folks who suggested that uid-gid.txt should > go in the api repository, but after thinking about it more and seeing it > in practice, I see the error of my ways on this. ;-) What's wrong with it? > > Imo a better f

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 0/2] allow acct-user home directories in /home

2020-01-20 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 1/20/20 1:01 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > It's just awful to have a one user at second level (like /home/amavis) > when all others are at third level (like /home/staff/joe). > Finally an honest argument =) I agree. But all we're doing is choosing the default here. GLEP81 lets the user overr

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 0/2] allow acct-user home directories in /home

2020-01-20 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Mon, 20 Jan 2020, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 1/20/20 2:02 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> Quoting FHS-3.0 again: >> >> | On large systems (especially when the /home directories are shared >> | amongst many hosts using NFS) it is useful to subdivide user home >> | directories. Subdivision

Re: [gentoo-dev] moving uid-gid.txt to metadata

2020-01-20 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 1/20/20 11:57 AM, William Hubbs wrote: > > Imo a better fit is the metadata directory in the ebuild repository. > That way you can add users/groups along with the acct-* packages that > install them. What benefit is there to syncing that file to everyone's machines?

Re: [gentoo-dev] moving uid-gid.txt to metadata

2020-01-20 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Mon, 20 Jan 2020, William Hubbs wrote: > as I recall I was one of the folks who suggested that uid-gid.txt should > go in the api repository, but after thinking about it more and seeing it > in practice, I see the error of my ways on this. ;-) > Imo a better fit is the metadata directory

[gentoo-dev] moving uid-gid.txt to metadata

2020-01-20 Thread William Hubbs
All, as I recall I was one of the folks who suggested that uid-gid.txt should go in the api repository, but after thinking about it more and seeing it in practice, I see the error of my ways on this. ;-) Imo a better fit is the metadata directory in the ebuild repository. That way you can add use

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 0/2] allow acct-user home directories in /home

2020-01-20 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 1/20/20 9:50 AM, David Seifert wrote: > > Rich has given reasons, ulm has, and mgorny suggested a solution. > Everyone's real intent on saying that there are problems without actually typing what those problems are into the email box. We're talking about a single keepdir file here. Please d

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 0/2] allow acct-user home directories in /home

2020-01-20 Thread David Seifert
On Mon, 2020-01-20 at 09:20 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 1/20/20 2:02 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, 20 Jan 2020, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > > > install-qa-check.d: allow acct-user home directories under > > > /home. > > > > Nope. As you've been told, /home is site specifi

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 0/2] allow acct-user home directories in /home

2020-01-20 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 1/20/20 2:02 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> On Mon, 20 Jan 2020, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > >> install-qa-check.d: allow acct-user home directories under /home. > > Nope. As you've been told, /home is site specific and can be setup in > multiple ways that are incompatible with the package m