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Seemant Kulleen wrote:
On Sun, 2006-07-30 at 23:50 -0400, Brett I. Holcomb wrote:
My concern is beyond me. As I stated I know enough about what to expect IF
I
use sunrise. But many do not and with it becoming official people figure
it's gentoo and when it breaks Gentoo suffers. Gentoo has a reputation as a
good solid, stable distro. As user and big fan of Gentoo I'm concerned -
why
couldn't sunrise have stayed unoffical like BMG. Why does it have to be
official? Gentoo can choose to do what it feels is right and I will do the
same.
It has just to be put clear that in this case official doesn't mean
solid, right, tested by our best QA, but simply preferred. That
is, I think we're not speaking of official, but _basically_ revised
and encouraged.
Many users (and I'm both a dev *and* a user) just could do much for
Gentoo, but when you're interested in a niche sector package, you *don't
have other choices* but
1) an endless wait for an open bug
2) becoming dev for the good of all :-)
3) just use your personal overlay, without sharing the results of your
efforts. If the bug in 1) is still open, why updating it with your
latest patches/revision bumps?
Statistically you end up to 3). We just need something to reduce this
statistically.
BMG has, from day 1, been marginalised in the Gentoo community. I
always fancied that they should've been folded into the larger Gentoo
projects and become what Sunrise is today. The way I read you, your
fear is based on the possibility of some future perception by an unknown
number of people. Sunrise's idea is that stuff gets checked and
re-checked and remains accessible -- have you read through their site
and their commit histories and changesets? They're not exactly
dawdling.
As for Gentoo's reputation, I'm actually pleasantly surprised to hear it
characterised that way :) If it has that reputation, then it will
actually take a lot to break that. I'm surprised that ~keywords didn't
already break it. I agree that the official portage tree is a QA
nightmare. Sunrise seems to be nipping that nightmare for a future date
-- ie by allowing people to commit and perform peer reviews, they're
grooming the next generation of developers to look at QA from the
outset, instead of as an afterthought.
I'm just adding another good point to sunrise (or whatever will be a
revised preferred centralized repo of packages not officially
supported): you have another way to benefit of retired devs who just
don't have the time to be responsible for the bugs of a package in an
arch they don't know, but have the interest and the competence to add
packages to an unofficial overlay.
I'll be soon one of those devs: maybe some of the packages I maintain
will finish as maintainer-wanted. And, in this case, they could
eventually end up in the sunrise overlay: a way for the users to help users.
Just my 2 euro c
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