[gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/back-end, www-apps/issue-tracker

2006-10-19 Thread Renat Lumpau
Hello,

www-apps/back-end and www-apps/issue-tracker have been p.masked and will
be removed in 30 days.

www-apps/back-end:  has been EOLed, upstream suggests migrating to
Drupal. [1]
www-apps/issue-tracker: maintainer MIA [2]

[1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152024
[2] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134759
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Sowing the seeds of a warconfig tool

2006-08-04 Thread Renat Lumpau
On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 10:10:00AM -0600, m h wrote:
> On 8/4/06, Renat Lumpau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 01:48:50AM -0600, m h wrote:
> >> Hey folks-
> >>
> >> (Shamelessly copied from my blog[1]  )...
> >> I'm working on an open source tool for managing war files called
> >> warconfig (warconfig is/should be to wars as webappconfig is to php
> >> apps). We have a need for this at work. I have a pretty detailed write
> >> up here [2]. Warconfig is a tool for deploying, upgrading, and rolling
> >> back war files on Tomcat (currently only version 5.5 on Gentoo has
> >> been tested, though with a little love it should work on Windows and
> >> anywhere else that tomcat does. Support for additional app servers
> >> should be pretty easy to implement).
> >
> >Have you looked at Cargo? http://cargo.codehaus.org/
> >
> 
> I figured I'd get this question.  i briefly played with cargo.  (In
> fact I'm planning on asking the cargo people for feedback as week).
> Perhaps if one are interested in manipulating wars from ant/maven,
> cargo is the way to go.  But cargo didn't provide any commandline
> interface, and I'm not doing anything (currently) that requires having
> access to the java api of the containers.  I'm basically

I'm not a Java guy, so I could be off. Doesn't Cargo provide ant tasks for
manipulating containers/wars?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Sowing the seeds of a warconfig tool

2006-08-04 Thread Renat Lumpau
On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 01:48:50AM -0600, m h wrote:
> Hey folks-
> 
> (Shamelessly copied from my blog[1]  )...
> I'm working on an open source tool for managing war files called
> warconfig (warconfig is/should be to wars as webappconfig is to php
> apps). We have a need for this at work. I have a pretty detailed write
> up here [2]. Warconfig is a tool for deploying, upgrading, and rolling
> back war files on Tomcat (currently only version 5.5 on Gentoo has
> been tested, though with a little love it should work on Windows and
> anywhere else that tomcat does. Support for additional app servers
> should be pretty easy to implement).

Have you looked at Cargo? http://cargo.codehaus.org/

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007

2006-07-30 Thread Renat Lumpau
On Sat, Jul 29, 2006 at 03:07:03PM +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote:
> Those were nominated but did not (yet) confirm their participation :
> 
> rl03

Thanks, I accept.
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[gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/phpmp2

2006-06-26 Thread Renat Lumpau
www-apps/phpmp2 has glaring security holes and is unmaintained upstream. I've
p.masked it and will remove it in 30 days.

https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74951

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union + suggestion for global dev conference (at bottom, if you want to skip)

2006-04-29 Thread Renat Lumpau
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 08:55:52PM -0500, Lance Albertson wrote:
> Stuart Herbert wrote:
> 
> >> __Problem: CVS__
> >>
> >> CVS is one of the worst application ever created.  
> > 
> > Hear, hear.
> > 
> > I'd like to see a move to Subversion made a priority for 2006.  If there
> > are problems with Subversion's performance with our tree, engage with
> > its authors to obtain improvements.  But get it done.
> 
> Here's an idea I had tonight. Since we're going to be doing the Google
> SoC this summer, perhaps a great project would be having someone work on
> this migration (or at least do an unbiased test implementation). I'd be
> willing to provide an infra server for testing/development. I don't see
> much problem at least trying to work out all the details. I don't think
> infra will go with any change unless there is a clear, detailed
> migration plan with proper back-out plans also. The tree is the most
> important part of our distribution and I'm not going to let such a
> migration go by without proper planning and testing. After the test
> implementation is done and has been fully tested, perhaps the council
> could make the final decision if infra is happy with the
> implementation/migration details.

It looks like if/when implemented, GLEP 44 (Manifest2) will significantly reduce
the number of small files in the tree. Whoever ends up doing the initial
benchmarking and testing should probably keep this in mind.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Renat Lumpau
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 06:34:32PM -0500, Mark Loeser wrote:
> Renat Lumpau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > Yes. Here's a quote from Halcy0n (with his permission):
> > 
> >   Don't mistake me not getting involved for approval.  I am just not going 
> > to
> >   get involved in every single dev->dev disagreement, and certainly not 
> > when I
> >   do not have all of the facts.  I wasn't aware that every team leader was
> >   accountable for how devs on their team behaved.
> > 
> > This is not meant as a comment on Halcy0n's abilities as a team leader, as I
> > understand he has attempted to manage the issue but "reasonable effort" has
> > failed.
> > 
> > So, my concern is: if the QA team can't manage its members effectively, 
> > should
> > they be entrusted with tree-wide powers?
> 
> Since one dev so far has stepped "out of line", and this is by no means the
> only time it has happened, I don't see how this argument has any
> merit.  If it becomes a pattern where all members of the QA team are
> causing problems, then I can see it as being valid.
> 
> I don't think you will find one person that is going to say they are
> capable of changing how Ciaran interacts with people.  This is an
> entirely different issue though, and I have talked to Ciaran about it.
> What I was saying above is that I am not going to go and get involved
> every single time someone has a disagreement.  This situation has
> obviously grown to be ridiculous and I have had a talk with him about
> it, so he knows my feelings on the situation, and what I expect.

So you're saying it's ok to have one team member who steps out of line and
cannot be managed?  Are all teams allowed that exception?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Renat Lumpau
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 04:14:33PM -0600, Grant Goodyear wrote:
> I think
> it's fair to say that these QA checks will find problems ranging from
> not-awful-but-annoying to could-break-your-system, but they are all bugs
> that ought to be fixed eventually.  Now, if you're currently working on
> fixing a big problem and thus too busy to fix the little one, that's
> perfectly reasonable, but to not fix a small bug because you know there
> are larger bugs that aren't fixed just seems lazy.

I agree completely. However, ciaranm seems to think that if we don't fix a
whitespace issue immediately, we'll ignore the rest of his QA comments and it's
therefore not worth it to let us know about the bigger issues:

in #gentoo-qa today:
18:39 <@ciaranm> pfff, if they won't fix whitespace, what're the chances of
 them fixing anything else?

That's an odd position to take.

> So, back to the big issue, are there any real complaints about the QA
> team essentially formulating QA policy?  Should new QA policies instead
> follow the same rules as new global USE flags or eclasses--an e-mail to
> -dev asking for comments first?  Does QA trump, or does the maintainer
> trump when it comes to disputes?

Yes. Here's a quote from Halcy0n (with his permission):

  Don't mistake me not getting involved for approval.  I am just not going to
  get involved in every single dev->dev disagreement, and certainly not when I
  do not have all of the facts.  I wasn't aware that every team leader was
  accountable for how devs on their team behaved.

This is not meant as a comment on Halcy0n's abilities as a team leader, as I
understand he has attempted to manage the issue but "reasonable effort" has
failed.

So, my concern is: if the QA team can't manage its members effectively, should
they be entrusted with tree-wide powers?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Renat Lumpau
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 09:57:05PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:50:40 +0000 Renat Lumpau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 04:31:37PM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> | > today's lesson: proactive QA is frowned upon, it's only a bug when
> | > a user files a report at bugs.gentoo.org
> | 
> | I don't think that's the lesson. It oughtta be: we need a way to
> | figure out which QA issues are important and which are less so. A QA
> | team member's opinion (personal attacks, whatever) should be an
> | important input but not the final say.
> 
> Important QA issues are, first and foremost, the ones that can be
> detected and fixed quickly.

You mean like whitespace and syntax that affects noone?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Renat Lumpau
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 04:55:52PM -0500, Dan Meltzer wrote:
> eh, see, from what I can tell you are just deciding to make it complicated.

How is having a process for resolving disagreements complicating things? I
should be able to escalate a conflict (differing opinions on whether something
is a QA issue and how serious it is).  From what I understand, the QA team
leader already admitted ciaranm doesn't listen to him.

> Do a quick bugzie search for bugs reported in the last week by
> ciaranm, I don't think he's singling you out.  I think he's responding
> to your stubbornness.

Did I say I think he's singling me out? He brought up an issue relevant to my
herd and I chimed in. And if by being stubborn you mean not ignoring his utter
lack of ability to work with others, sure, call me stubborn.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Renat Lumpau
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 04:31:37PM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> today's lesson: proactive QA is frowned upon, it's only a bug when a user 
> files a report at bugs.gentoo.org

I don't think that's the lesson. It oughtta be: we need a way to figure out
which QA issues are important and which are less so. A QA team member's opinion
(personal attacks, whatever) should be an important input but not the final say.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Renat Lumpau
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 08:11:26PM +0100, Thomas de Grenier de Latour wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:02:10 -0500,
> Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > 
> > >if [ "${IS_UPGRADE}" = "1" ] ; then
> > >einfo "Removing old version ${REMOVE_PKG}"
> > >
> > >emerge -C "${REMOVE_PKG}"
> > >fi

That's #124440, not #124443 which is the SLOT issue.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Renat Lumpau
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 08:11:26PM +0100, Thomas de Grenier de Latour wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:02:10 -0500,
> Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > 
> > >if [ "${IS_UPGRADE}" = "1" ] ; then
> > >einfo "Removing old version ${REMOVE_PKG}"
> > >
> > >emerge -C "${REMOVE_PKG}"
> > >fi

For those who are interested, ciaranm has kindly filed bug #124443, so please
comment there.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Renat Lumpau
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 05:11:57PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> And it sticks out a nasty ewarn and says that the ebuild is probably
> broken.

Which it _probably_ is. See, this is a numbers game. In most cases, if you use
the webapp eclass, setting SLOT="0" is incorrect. There are some cases in which
it's just fine. Until FEATURES="mindreader" is implemented, how is the eclass to
know what you're trying to do? So it prints a warning and doesn't die. Number of
angry users storming bugs.g.o - 0. 

> Again, you're dismissing QA issues as nonsense, and you wonder why I
> don't waste my time doing a full audit.

No, what I was trying to do was call your distaste for fact-checking
nonsensical, apologies if it wasn't crystal clear. Please keep the QA issues
coming.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Renat Lumpau
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 04:35:32PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> Ebuilds can't override this either. Read on in the eclass and you'll
> notice that it checks that SLOT hasn't been changed to something sane.

Excepting that you can set WEBAPP_MANUAL_SLOT="yes" and set SLOT to whatever the
hell you want. But don't let my facts get in the way of your nonsense.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Renat Lumpau
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 05:11:58PM +0100, Patrick Lauer wrote:
> Ok, sorry for being dumb :-)
> What exactly is the issue there? I don't see the issue in setting SLOT
> depending on ... uhm ... some variable. Looks kinda logical at first
> glance, but I'm not aware of the issues it causes.

One issue here is that security revbumps are no longer effective in that the
vulnerable version remains installed and must be unmerged manually by the
sysadmin. I started a discussion about this very same issue yesterday on
-web-user and we hope to resolve it shortly.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Renat Lumpau
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 02:52:46PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> Yes, it's an utterly trivial problem, but it is a QA violation. Getting
> a complete list is something that takes a heck of a lot longer, and I
> have yet to be convinced that my time would not be better spent
> elsewhere.

So let me get this straight. 

You have been claiming that webapp-config is broken, to put it mildly, for quite
some time (at least several months). Yet as of now, you are unable to tell us
what exactly is wrong. When I asked you on IRC for feedback, you referred me to
a private conversation with Stuart, which is just as useless as the rest of your
comments. You have not filed a single bug or sent a single email to the
maintainers. Your only relevant QA point is a trivial style issue. 

Your blathering is insulting to the people who actually spend time trying to
improve webapp-config. No, it's not perfect. But we want to make it better, and
we have asked you for feedback and got none.

You, ciaranm, create measurable deadweight loss. Instead of doing productive
work, I waste my time replying to your nonsense. I am fed up and will be taking
the issue to devrel.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-27 Thread Renat Lumpau
On Mon, Feb 27, 2006 at 08:54:45PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:45:30 +0000 Renat Lumpau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | > Then please start with bug 120088. Once that one's fixed we'll go
> | > from there.
> | 
> | #120088 (dev-lang/php breaks non-interactivity and does not work on
> | default USE) has nothing to do with webapp-config. What's your point?
> 
> My point is that that's a nasty QA bug that's relying upon input from
> Stuart to be fixed. Whilst that one's still alive, I'm not going to go
> around filing more similar "breaks non-interactively" bugs because the
> discussion will just get repeated over and over.

Nice snipping there. Let me quote what was above:
| > Abuse from people like you whenever someone finally gets brave
| > enough to document all the ways in which webapp-config is broken.

Please back up this claim without trying to change the subject.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-27 Thread Renat Lumpau
On Mon, Feb 27, 2006 at 08:37:09PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:26:10 + Stuart Herbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> | On Mon, 2006-02-27 at 17:08 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> | > Abuse from people like you whenever someone finally gets brave
> | > enough to document all the ways in which webapp-config is broken.
> | 
> | This isn't the first time we've heard this tune from you, and alas I
> | fear it won't be the last.
> | 
> | You know where bugzilla is.  You know how to contact any of the
> | webapp-config maintainers via email, or via IRC.  We're ready to
> | listen to your input, and to work with you (or anyone else) on fixing
> | any genuine problems that webapp-config has.  The more feedback we
> | get, the better we can make this package for everyone's enjoyment.
> 
> Then please start with bug 120088. Once that one's fixed we'll go from
> there.

#120088 (dev-lang/php breaks non-interactivity and does not work on default USE)
has nothing to do with webapp-config. What's your point?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-27 Thread Renat Lumpau
On Mon, Feb 27, 2006 at 05:08:34PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> Abuse from people like you whenever someone finally gets brave enough
> to document all the ways in which webapp-config is broken.

wrobel and I would be very interested to see such a document. In the
meantime, we shall continue to look forward to more whining and moaning from you
et al.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] server owned directory with webapp eclass

2006-01-26 Thread Renat Lumpau
On Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 11:10:04AM +0100, Rene Zbinden wrote:
> how do I create a server owned directory with the webapp eclass?

use webapp_serverowned. See
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/webapps/webapp-eclass.xml

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[gentoo-dev] webapp.eclass documentation

2006-01-19 Thread Renat Lumpau
I just committed our new documentation [1] for webapp.eclass. We hope that it
will help devs and users write and maintain ebuilds for web applications.
Comments and patches are welcome.

We also have a brand new project page [2], courtesy of wrobel.

[1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/webapps/webapp-eclass.xml
[2] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/webapps/
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Projects and simple guides

2006-01-08 Thread Renat Lumpau
On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 06:59:40PM +0100, Diego 'Flameeyes' Petten? wrote:
> GDP might be the place where to put them, but as they are mainly 
> developer-oriented, they might be better accessed directly by devs (at least 
> for the first steps until they are drafts).
> 
> What people think about this?

Devwiki

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[gentoo-dev] last rites for app-admin/mailmin

2006-01-04 Thread Renat Lumpau
It's unmaintained and has been in p.mask since birth. I'll remove it from
the tree in a week unless someone wants to step in and take over.

See also http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60464
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[gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/phpmp

2006-01-03 Thread Renat Lumpau
www-apps/phpmp has been package masked and will be removed from the tree in
about a week. It is being superseded by www-apps/phpmp2. Please post comments to
http://bugs.gentoo.org/74951 

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Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Gunnar Wrobel (wrobel)

2005-12-29 Thread Renat Lumpau
On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 12:43:00AM +, Luis Medinas wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 00:16 +, Tom Martin wrote:
> > Hi list,
> > 
> > Gunnar Wrobel is joining to help with the webapps herd, in particular
> > the webapp-config utility.

Welcome!!
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Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer: Peter Volkov

2005-12-21 Thread Renat Lumpau
On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 03:28:03PM -0600, Mike Doty wrote:
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> All-
> 
> Please take a moment to welcome our newest developer, pva.  Peter is
> joining to help out with netmon.

Time to start a Russian conspiracy! Dobro pozhalovat'.

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[gentoo-dev] KDE + htdig

2005-12-09 Thread Renat Lumpau
Hello,

I am looking for help / advice to get KDE to work with htdig. I'm trying to fix
an old bug [1], but I'm not much of a KDE expert, and so far I've had no luck.
If you have any ideas and are willing to spend a few minutes helping me figure
out how to get khelpcenter and kdevelop to play nice with htdig, please reply to
me off-list or ping me on IRC.

[1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28049

Thanks,
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Fixing the TERM mess

2005-08-21 Thread Renat Lumpau
On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 12:08:00AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> Thanks. The other useful one is to see whether it does 256 colours
> properly like real xterm does. The following bash script, when run with
> '256' as its argument, should look the same as it does when run under
> a real xterm.

Not even close here.

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[gentoo-dev] Last Rites: net-p2p/zuul

2005-08-15 Thread Renat Lumpau
net-p2p/zuul has been p.masked and will be removed this weekend. For
details, see bug #74985. In short, upstream is dead, and the package
doesn't work.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed security policy for web-based apps

2005-07-05 Thread Renat Lumpau
On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 05:52:47PM -0400, Alec Warner wrote:
> > 3. This information will be checked every three months to ensure it
> >remains valid.
> 
> Are you volunteering to do 3?  If not, who will?

I'll help.

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