Re: [gentoo-dev] Mailing list moderation and community openness

2018-06-10 Thread Tom Wijsman
Hey!!! I'm not going to open that bug, read all these related mailing list discussions or waste time on whatever! Instead, I think it's important some of you read this message: I hope that you choose to stand still for some time, or even sit or lie down for once. Take a deep breath and coun

Re: [gentoo-dev] ATTN: Fw: "Please let's talk if spamming everyone pointlessly is really needed."

2018-06-10 Thread Tom Wijsman
Suspension shouldn't leave you out of receiving e-mails from Bugzilla; if so, I consider that a bug. On 6/9/2018 12:59 PM, Jeroen Roovers wrote: Hello fellow humans, this is a brief headsup about my current inability to communicate through the official channel bugs.gentoo.org because of

Re: [gentoo-dev] metadata.xml un-ization, v2

2014-12-20 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Tue, 9 Dec 2014 16:23:57 +0100 Jeroen Roovers wrote: > On Tue, 9 Dec 2014 12:59:26 +0100 > Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > > > On Tue, 9 Dec 2014, Michał Górny wrote: > > > > > As for the exact details, I've pretty much decided to go for > > > featurism here, IOW making everyone happy. It als

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: more help needed with gcc-4.8 stabilization, chromium starts heavily using C++11

2014-11-28 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 16:52:07 -0500 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Tom Wijsman > wrote: > > On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 00:34:33 + (UTC) > > Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > > > >> While it pains me to say this, unfortunately it

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: more help needed with gcc-4.8 stabilization, chromium starts heavily using C++11

2014-11-26 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 00:34:33 + (UTC) Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > While it pains me to say this, unfortunately it looks like we have > another "toxic person" situation to deal with, with all the > implications that come with it. Maybe it's time to deal with it. Toxic wars have casu

Re: [gentoo-dev] more help needed with gcc-4.8 stabilization, chromium starts heavily using C++11

2014-11-26 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 21 Nov 2014 16:32:15 + Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: > So really, I'm tired to be insulted, and this was the last drop. > Goodbye. Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes +1! Given our invested time; it's not the lack of encouragement, but rather the presence of discouragement that sets up for u

[gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs

2014-11-13 Thread Tom Wijsman
A Linux-compatible version of Growl, a notification system for Mac OS X Thanks, Tom Wijsman

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs

2014-11-13 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 16:59:46 +0200 Pavlos Ratis wrote: > I will also drop myself from the net-proxy herd. Drawing extra attention to this sentence; it looks like the herd is (once again) going to be empty, as the result of a lack of interest. If someone does have a real interest in this herd; p

Re: [gentoo-dev] Java7 stabilization

2014-11-13 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 12:23:43 +0100 Pacho Ramos wrote: > Hello Hello, this is an individual response. > I would like to see if we could finally try to stabilize java7 on > Gentoo as some external tools start to require it. > > There is currently this tracker opened: > https://bugs.gentoo.org/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Deprecating and killing herds in metadata.xml

2014-10-09 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 09:22:30 +0200 Jeroen Roovers wrote: > On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 00:07:07 +0200 > Tom Wijsman wrote: > > > If the name is omitted, then we lose that; that is not the way > > forward. > > I'm pretty sure we already addressed this in another branch of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Deprecating and killing herds in metadata.xml

2014-10-07 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sun, 5 Oct 2014 22:53:13 +0200 Jeroen Roovers wrote: > On Sun, 5 Oct 2014 18:30:04 +0200 > Tom Wijsman wrote: > > > On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 09:18:55 +0200 > > Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > > > > f...@gentoo.org > > > > .. > > to keep willi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Deprecating and killing herds in metadata.xml

2014-10-05 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 09:18:55 +0200 Jeroen Roovers wrote: > f...@gentoo.org .. to keep willikins' !meta -v functionality working.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Add bc back to the stage3

2014-10-01 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 18:58:18 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 23:37:20 +0200 > Tom Wijsman wrote: > > On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 04:05:19 + (UTC) > > "Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto" wrote: > > > On Sat, 27 Sep 2014, Tom Wijsman wrote: >

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing herds in metadata.xml

2014-10-01 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 23:03:51 +0200 Jeroen Roovers wrote: > On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 13:01:35 +0200 > Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > > > On Tue, 30 Sep 2014, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > > > >> The same tags shouldn't be used for different things. > > > > > Then we might as well extend the DTD to have

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing herds in metadata.xml

2014-10-01 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 09:12:13 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 3:00 AM, Ulrich Mueller > wrote: > > > > I had just given some reasons above, in the part that you haven't > > quoted. > > > > My main issue was with the "burden of proof" bit. This isn't a court > - we're free to

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing herds in metadata.xml

2014-10-01 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 00:40:50 +0200 Jeroen Roovers wrote: > On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 23:16:32 +0200 > Tom Wijsman wrote: > > > On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 18:42:40 +0200 > > Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > > > > On IRC we seem to have found some consensus about metadata.xml:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Add bc back to the stage3

2014-09-29 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 06:08:11 +0200 Peter Stuge wrote: > Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > > I've stopped following this mailing list regularly quite sometime > > ago. To see this thread is still going on and no one bothered to cc > > releng, to me shows a lack of respect > > I expected you to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Add bc back to the stage3

2014-09-29 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 04:05:19 + (UTC) "Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto" wrote: > On Sat, 27 Sep 2014, Tom Wijsman wrote: > > > On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 13:22:45 +0100 > > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > > >> On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 12:47:14 +0200 > >> Luca

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing herds in metadata.xml

2014-09-29 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 18:42:40 +0200 Jeroen Roovers wrote: > On IRC we seem to have found some consensus about metadata.xml: IRC is huge; where did you manage to find consensus in there with whom? > 1 ) We should > 1a) deprecate the tag in metadata.xml (that's 17,856 files or > so?) in favou

Re: [gentoo-dev] Add bc back to the stage3

2014-09-28 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 19:39:44 -0400 "Anthony G. Basile" wrote: > And now for something completely different ... drum roll ... Really! > We have to have a council vote on whether bc goes into stage3? If > this does go to the council, then I want a pre-vote vote: should we > bounce the decision bac

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing the concept of herds

2014-09-28 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 18:45:12 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > So, there was some discussion on -dev, apparently some discussion I > wasn't a part of, and some that I was (such is the nature of IRC). Knowledge codification is nice; otherwise, this is just-another-thread. > I think it would make sense

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing the concept of herds

2014-09-28 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 00:21:43 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: > I don't know if you know it but setting up the project wiki page takes > less time than reaching into depths of CVS and editing herds.xml. Editing and committing a change to herds.xml takes me less characters than this quoted paragraph, do

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing the concept of herds

2014-09-27 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 17:54:48 -0400 "Anthony G. Basile" wrote: > The hardened project has two herds: hardened and hardened-kernel, the > former for toolchain related stuff and the latter for the kernel. We > really need to keep that distinction. So mapping herds to projects > doesn't work. B

Re: [gentoo-dev] Add bc back to the stage3

2014-09-27 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 13:22:45 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 12:47:14 +0200 > Luca Barbato wrote: > > Because I'd expect a stage3 to be posix compliant > > I agree. It's time to replace nano with Vim. Vim is not fully POSIX compliant; you may find it claim "mostly" in its do

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing the concept of herds

2014-09-27 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 09:11:57 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > Is there some policy that says that a project cannot be a maintainer? Is there some policy that says that a herd cannot be a herd?

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing the concept of herds

2014-09-27 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 06:25:28 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:58 AM, Jeroen Roovers > wrote: > > > > Right now, CC'ing a single alias is inconvenient, but under your > > proposal, you might need to CC a dozen or more people instead of > > that alias. > > > > That is incorre

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo git workflows and the stabilization/keywording process

2014-09-22 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 08:56:04 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: > How can we distinguish between accidental and intentional stable > keyword removals? :) (The lack of) Proper commit messages that point out those removals! ;) But well, yeah, that'll require consistency and so on...

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo git workflows and the stabilization/keywording process

2014-09-22 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 16:03:57 +0200 Tobias Klausmann wrote: > As I pointed out, getting the right code into the tree is not the > problem here. It is extra work over the current way of doing it > (since I need to deal with a local commit that can't be ff'd or > rebased as git is very line-oriented

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo git workflows and the stabilization/keywording process

2014-09-19 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 19:39:08 +0200 Tobias Klausmann wrote: > AIUI, we try to avoid merge conflicts, unless the merge is a > meaningful integration of divergent processes. > > However, one aspect of how ebuilds are written these days will > cause a non-trivial amount of merge commits that are not

Re: [gentoo-dev] Does the scm ebuild masking policy make sense for git?

2014-09-15 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 10:28:16 +0100 Georg Rudoy <0xd34df...@gmail.com> wrote: > Let's limit our sample to Gentoo tree then. How frequently arches list > shrinked as a result of bumping the version (because the upstream has > chosen so, not because of insufficient resources to keep testing all > pr

Re: [gentoo-dev] Does the scm ebuild masking policy make sense for git?

2014-09-15 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 10:11:08 +0100 Georg Rudoy <0xd34df...@gmail.com> wrote: > How frequently the list of supported arches does shrink? Is it > statistically significant? The amount of software that exists makes this impossible to determine.

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing the concept of herds

2014-09-15 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 21:00:16 +0100 Markos Chandras wrote: > please do not go offtopic discussing the recruitment process. I simply > mentioned one of the designated ways we have to ask for help. If you > don't like it, propose a better method. Please do not go offtopic about your own "getting pe

Re: [gentoo-dev] Does the scm ebuild masking policy make sense for git?

2014-09-15 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 22:44:49 + hasufell wrote: > Jauhien Piatlicki: > > > In the ideal country of elves. In the real life it can be not > > possible to build and install software in a given distribution > > without downstream patches. You can find examples of such live > > ebuilds in Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Does the scm ebuild masking policy make sense for git?

2014-09-15 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 23:40:32 + hasufell wrote: > I don't see [...] It is hard to connect the dots if you don't know about the dots; do your homework to find them, ask questions when you don't. > [...] any sense in what you say. You sound confused. Without those dots, your sound of confusio

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing the concept of herds

2014-09-11 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 21:21:24 +0100 Markos Chandras wrote: > On 09/10/2014 03:01 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: > > > > +1; to summarize my thoughts: Herds misrepresent manpower. > > > true and false. More true than false. > undertakers often remove dead herds. How oft

Re: [gentoo-dev] Does the scm ebuild masking policy make sense for git?

2014-09-11 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 15:09:38 + hasufell wrote: > Tom Wijsman: > >> It improves usability by providing additional information. > > > > Usability is not to be found in information that is subject to > > change. > > Please also set DEPEND, RDEPEND, EGIT_REP

Re: [gentoo-dev] Does the scm ebuild masking policy make sense for git?

2014-09-10 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 13:56:04 + hasufell wrote: > Tom Wijsman: > > On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 19:12:28 + > > hasufell wrote: > > > >> Jauhien Piatlicki: > >>> > >>> When I accept ~arch I expect that no live ebuilds will be built. I > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing the concept of herds

2014-09-10 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 21:45:49 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: > Let's keep it short: I think herds don't serve any special purpose > nowadays. Their existence is mostly resulting in lack of consistency > and inconveniences. +1; to summarize my thoughts: Herds misrepresent manpower.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Does the scm ebuild masking policy make sense for git?

2014-09-10 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 19:12:28 + hasufell wrote: > Jauhien Piatlicki: > > > > When I accept ~arch I expect that no live ebuilds will be built. I > > think other gentoo users expect the same. > > Just because users are used to it doesn't make it better. How does it "make it better" for users

Re: [gentoo-dev] Removing 'selinux? ( sec-policy/selinux-*)' from DEPEND

2014-09-01 Thread Tom Wijsman
unnecessary bumps & rebuilds for trivial changes, especially when a USE flag based dependency line is removed from DEPEND. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: mysql-5.5 upgrade and mysql-5.1 mask news item

2014-08-14 Thread Tom Wijsman
l as a question asked; so, apart from that the rest of the news item looks good to me. - -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D -

Re: [gentoo-dev] repoman --nonag (was Re: gentoo-x86 tree cleanup for 'DESCRIPTION ends with a '.' character' warnings )

2014-08-13 Thread Tom Wijsman
e not problematic in terms of being able to do your workflow. There has been talk by Patrick to turn some of the warnings into errors, but that doesn't imply that the QA team or community necessarily thinks in the same way. So, I don't think that's something to worry about; especially w

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-x86 tree cleanup for 'DESCRIPTION ends with a '.' character' warnings

2014-08-13 Thread Tom Wijsman
n the related bug, thus we were unaware of it. > I don't recall a policy mandating that descriptions can't end with > '.'. I asked our QA lead about it and was told that he didn't recall > that we have an official policy about it either. Also, the devmanual > neve

Re: [gentoo-dev] minimalistic emerge

2014-08-13 Thread Tom Wijsman
lack the requested feature? -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] minimalistic emerge

2014-08-13 Thread Tom Wijsman
27;s source... But do we want to be quicker? If you want a lot of input, Portage... -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] minimalistic emerge

2014-08-13 Thread Tom Wijsman
about stabilize > > gentoo with STABILIZED flag implementation in make.conf? > > Next time, please bother the gentoo-user@ mailing list. No. The gentoo-user@ ML can't do anything about a missing feature. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom

[OT] Re: [gentoo-dev] minimalistic emerge

2014-08-13 Thread Tom Wijsman
x27;t end up using them, or not spend an equivalent effort; like for example with Heart Bleed. Think about some random unrelated pieces of open source libraries; did that get run through analyzers and include run-time measures, have code reviews like kernels would have and extended QA procedures?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in media-libs/x265: x265-1.0.ebuild ChangeLog x265-1.2.ebuild x265-0.8.ebuild

2014-08-13 Thread Tom Wijsman
ou are referring to; it doesn't affect the maintainer, but the clutter can be a pain if you attempt to keep the p.mask size low. Having package.mask as a directory would be a solution to this; however, there's not much other need for it to be a directory. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman

Re: [gentoo-dev] Clarifying if some arch teams allows maintainers to stabilize package on arches they can test

2014-08-12 Thread Tom Wijsman
nd, in > advance, know more about if there is any other arch team allowing it > (x86?) > > Of course, developers stabilizing packages should still follow the > usual test procedures as arch teams members will do. https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=510198 -- With kind regards,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: don't rely on dynamic deps

2014-08-12 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 14:25:23 + (UTC) Martin Vaeth wrote: > Tom Wijsman wrote: > > Michael Palimaka wrote: > > > >> What a great way to kill the distro. > >> > >> I can already heat my house with the number of unnecessary rebuilds > > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: don't rely on dynamic deps

2014-08-12 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 05:30:26 +1000 Michael Palimaka wrote: > On 07/27/2014 05:21 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote: > > On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 03:12:07 +1000 > > Michael Palimaka wrote: > > > >> On 07/26/2014 07:59 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote: > >>> On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 22

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: don't rely on dynamic deps

2014-08-12 Thread Tom Wijsman
s more like fixing multiple broken audio drivers; if there is only a single problem with dynamic deps, it wouldn't receive much attention. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: don't rely on dynamic deps

2014-07-26 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 03:12:07 +1000 Michael Palimaka wrote: > On 07/26/2014 07:59 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote: > > On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 22:14:41 +1000 > > Michael Palimaka wrote: > > > >> On 07/23/2014 09:36 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote: > >>> On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 18

Re: [gentoo-dev] don't rely on dynamic deps

2014-07-26 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 12:36:31 +0800 Patrick Lauer wrote: > On Wednesday 23 July 2014 01:06:15 Tom Wijsman wrote: > > On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 08:10:20 +0300 > > > > Samuli Suominen wrote: > > > On 22/07/14 04:05, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina wrote: > > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: don't rely on dynamic deps

2014-07-25 Thread Tom Wijsman
bove PMS > requirements can be met within a single session with dynamic-deps. Apart from the words "merge" and "batch", which are in the piece of text that I've quoted; I'm not sure how for the rest of the piece a session can be deduced or interpreted from what is specif

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: don't rely on dynamic deps

2014-07-25 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 22:14:41 +1000 Michael Palimaka wrote: > On 07/23/2014 09:36 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote: > > On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 18:21:00 +1000 > > Michael Palimaka wrote: > > > >> What a great way to kill the distro. > >> > >> I can already heat

Re: [gentoo-dev] don't rely on dynamic deps

2014-07-24 Thread Tom Wijsman
ith kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTzulZAAoJEPWZc8roOL/QzSMH/0wrGF+6joDtUlm

Re: [gentoo-dev] don't rely on dynamic deps

2014-07-24 Thread Tom Wijsman
talking about RDEPEND="some/pkg[useflag]" --> RDEPEND="some/pkg") -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: don't rely on dynamic deps

2014-07-24 Thread Tom Wijsman
much more cool and necessary... -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] don't rely on dynamic deps

2014-07-24 Thread Tom Wijsman
M to not get the fix, at worst resulting in broken dependency > calculation Why do we have a PMS if we don't take into account other PMs? Is Gentoo still a meta distribution? How does the Portage tree portage? -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...

Re: [gentoo-dev] don't rely on dynamic deps

2014-07-24 Thread Tom Wijsman
stream changes immediately reflects itself upon one's system. Does such a gimmick succeed? Meteor! - -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D

Re: [gentoo-dev] don't rely on dynamic deps

2014-07-24 Thread Tom Wijsman
o attempt to support this in Repoman. 4) How do we clean up these entries? Doesn't this info grow fast? 5) The first paramater: Should that point to a single ebuild? Should that support ranges? -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.

Re: [gentoo-dev] don't rely on dynamic deps

2014-07-24 Thread Tom Wijsman
Actually, please try to go a step further and reproduce it; surprise! > If you ever happen to change EAPI in a stable ebuild without revbump, > please be kind enough to revoke your own commit rights. Thanks. So much revocations. Thanks. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] don't rely on dynamic deps

2014-07-24 Thread Tom Wijsman
oblems. So, I don't think it is right to discuss replacing problems with problems. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] don't rely on dynamic deps

2014-07-24 Thread Tom Wijsman
es due to the refactor, rather than mixed together in a giant single file. Having repoman help with the developer workflow sounds like a neat idea. - -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C16

Re: [gentoo-dev] don't rely on dynamic deps

2014-07-24 Thread Tom Wijsman
t because we changed the dependencies. Isn't that causing > a lot of possibly unnecessary work for our arch teams? Rev bumps that only add dependencies shouldn't need separate STABLEREQs. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org G

Re: [gentoo-dev] don't rely on dynamic deps

2014-07-24 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 23:01:58 +0200 Jeroen Roovers wrote: > So you suggest we work around a bug in the PM which would be a single > fix. Everywhere. Which bugs? Which fixes? Where? ... Did this thread spawn from nothing? -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] don't rely on dynamic deps

2014-07-24 Thread Tom Wijsman
umps needed, why are dependencies forgotten, ...? Sounds like a developer work flow issue... https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=499852 -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] don't rely on dynamic deps

2014-07-24 Thread Tom Wijsman
thout much rebuilds, by something that needs you to decide whether or not to rev bump and cause more rebuilds. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2

Re: [gentoo-dev] don't rely on dynamic deps

2014-07-24 Thread Tom Wijsman
at doesn't change that all the culprits exist out there. > Or do people think it works well enough, so that it's pros overweight > the cons? I do, > and many others seem to think so as well. Depends on what the pros and cons are; it makes the difference between merely thoughts

Re: [gentoo-dev] Automated Package Removal and Addition Tracker, for the week ending 2014-07-20 23h59 UTC

2014-07-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
10:09:41 blueness Additions: net-misc/curl 2014-07-15 09:40:13 blueness -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D signature.asc Description: PGP signature

[OT] Rock stars' inter-hindrance time after time, 'cause love is blind (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] The request to abolish games team policy)

2014-07-13 Thread Tom Wijsman
. The effect of telling them to not take it personally, is that they will. This thread is pure win, it just takes some time to see good results... -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-09 Thread Tom Wijsman
bad light on those in game overlays as I think this comparison was made somewhere earlier in this thread. From what I know, people appreciate those game overlays; so, while I'm not suggesting that you do shine such light, I'd just like to ask like mva for everyone to stop making such compariso

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-09 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 09:06:11 +0300 Samuli Suominen wrote: > > On 09/07/14 07:24, Tom Wijsman wrote: > >> [...] confusions with newer people... > > Ironically; my first Portage tree action "add a directory" got a > > "don't throw [expletive] into

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-08 Thread Tom Wijsman
games category]" reply, before adding the ebuild. One really can't expect new people to start to address a team like that prior to addition; I've assumed for some time that contacting the teams is a necessity before addition of an ebuild, but that quickly turned out to be false f

Re: [gentoo-dev] new profile layout with flavors and mix-ins

2014-07-03 Thread Tom Wijsman
ds like a trade-off between better profiles and better repoman. - -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D -BEGIN PGP SIGNAT

Re: [gentoo-dev] package.mask vs ~arch

2014-07-02 Thread Tom Wijsman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 30 Jun 2014 15:44:21 -0400 Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 30/06/14 03:14 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: > > > Setting up an overlay for this and poking a stick at a few >

Re: [gentoo-dev] package.mask vs ~arch

2014-07-02 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Mon, 30 Jun 2014 15:19:59 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Tom Wijsman > wrote: > > > > A test of a package to determine whether it appears to be working > > OK or whether it destructs your system isn't too much asked for; if >

Re: [gentoo-dev] package.mask vs ~arch

2014-06-30 Thread Tom Wijsman
ts a change in what we do. Just want to note that you can get an idea from previous outages (or similar events like python-exec / UPower) on how much testing is needed. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GP

Re: [gentoo-dev] package.mask vs ~arch

2014-06-30 Thread Tom Wijsman
be > quite a lot at this point. :D Setting up an overlay for this and poking a stick at a few developers to try it out could help as an intermediary test, to ensure that you don't break every ~arch user in the progress. Better than "all or nothing"... - -- With kind regards

Re: [gentoo-dev] package.mask vs ~arch

2014-06-30 Thread Tom Wijsman
t _is_ BROKEN; when you add a lot of UNSURE, its contents will diverge away from this goal. A test of a package to determine whether it appears to be working OK or whether it destructs your system isn't too much asked for; if it works it can then be ~arch tested, if it breaks you have a b

Re: [gentoo-dev] package.mask vs ~arch

2014-06-30 Thread Tom Wijsman
hey miss out on more testing; now consider that they might just work, you can miss out on smaller edge case^ bugs if a faster stabilization* must follow later. ^ The more users, the more different system environments, ... * Reverse dependency that needs it, security and so on. -- With kind rega

[OT] Re: [gentoo-dev] package.mask vs ~arch

2014-06-30 Thread Tom Wijsman
ing because it encourages > users to come up with ad-hoc mixed arch/~arch setups which have > *never* been tested by any developer. The granted ability to make a choice brings its own limits. :) -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.o

Re: [gentoo-dev] Docker 1.0.0 masked for no known reason?

2014-06-29 Thread Tom Wijsman
r testing >=app-emulation/lxc-1.0.0 +>=app-emulation/docker-1.0.0 # Tom Wijsman (03 May 2014) # Needs to be further tested and revised by both Java and Ruby herds. ... -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key :

Re: [gentoo-dev] Docker 1.0.0 masked for no known reason?

2014-06-29 Thread Tom Wijsman
gain. So, please set it up a satisfiable state. :) -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Docker 1.0.0 masked for no known reason?

2014-06-29 Thread Tom Wijsman
oarang. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] [epatch_user] Proposal: add possibility to tolerable-fail for some patches (plus add groupping support)

2014-06-15 Thread Tom Wijsman
oint, one wonders if just (re)moving away the patch when you see it fail in the early src_prepare phase followed by a --resume is more favorable. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint :

Re: [gentoo-dev] The state and future of the OpenRC project

2014-06-10 Thread Tom Wijsman
;s a positive thing: There are many ways to contribute, even > without taking lenghty quizzes :) Indeed, here is a lengthy summary that is probably not complete: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Contributing_to_Gentoo -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom

Re: [gentoo-dev] The state and future of the OpenRC project

2014-06-09 Thread Tom Wijsman
ther; we use app-portage/overlint to catch differences between that repository and the Portage tree, after which there is room for even much more automation; thus more time reviewing. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Ke

[gentoo-dev] The state and future of the OpenRC project

2014-06-07 Thread Tom Wijsman
for the package itself. https://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=openrc Disclaimer: Just to be sure, I'm not affiliated with the OpenRC project. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Finger

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: news item for upower

2014-06-04 Thread Tom Wijsman
t becomes harder to judge how critical it is, but at the very least it affects a large share of users now as well as in future upgrades. They appreciate news. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: UPower upstream (git master) and 0.99 release -> No sys-power/pm-utils support anymore

2014-06-03 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 08:44:45 +0800 Patrick Lauer wrote: > On 06/04/2014 08:24 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote: > > On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 07:55:50 +0800 > > Patrick Lauer wrote: > > > >> On 06/03/2014 07:25 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote: > >>> > >>> On 03/0

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: UPower upstream (git master) and 0.99 release -> No sys-power/pm-utils support anymore

2014-06-03 Thread Tom Wijsman
ystemd is a recipe to upset everyone whom runs systemd on another desktop environment than GNOME or KDE; so, that's not a way forward. Another option is to create no-systemd sub directories; but such profiles will be highly controversial, besides helping the exponential grow of the profiles direct

[OT] Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: news item for upower

2014-06-03 Thread Tom Wijsman
those (dis)agreements, compromises and walks that count. > News items are probably one of Gentoo's best ideas ever. True that. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Anyone with access to genkernel repository? Or should genkernel be p.masked on amd64 profiles?

2014-06-03 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 22:35:13 + hasufell wrote: > Tom Wijsman: > > On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 20:58:46 +0200 > > Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 30 May 2014 19:17:31 +0200 > >> Tom Wijsman wrote: > >> > >>> On Fri, 30 May 201

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: news item for upower

2014-06-03 Thread Tom Wijsman
time to look nowhere near the original, but at least it makes me happy to have experienced the handholding to bring me where I am today. These "little things" matter. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34

Re: [gentoo-dev] Anyone with access to genkernel repository? Or should genkernel be p.masked on amd64 profiles?

2014-06-03 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 20:58:46 +0200 Jeroen Roovers wrote: > On Fri, 30 May 2014 19:17:31 +0200 > Tom Wijsman wrote: > > > On Fri, 30 May 2014 18:14:11 +0100 > > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > > A more reasonable approach would be for the Council to permit the > &g

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: news item for upower

2014-06-03 Thread Tom Wijsman
recommended to stay with > sys-power/upower. The rest of the news item looks good to me. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: UPower upstream (git master) and 0.99 release -> No sys-power/pm-utils support anymore

2014-06-03 Thread Tom Wijsman
temd. Besides that, there is no need for a sys-power/upower-systemd package. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: UPower upstream (git master) and 0.99 release -> No sys-power/pm-utils support anymore

2014-06-03 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 16:52:30 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 17:48:05 +0200 > Tom Wijsman wrote: > > On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 10:09:42 -0400 > > Rich Freeman wrote: > > > Maybe in these cases the PM should make it more clear that > > > there was

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