Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable?

2006-05-06 Thread Jakub Moc
Philip Webb wrote: >>> Any stable version of KDE will need kdelibs kdebase , >>> but otherwise why can't the packages be made stable >>> at least as each big downloadable file becomes ready, if not individually ? >> Because they have to be stable at once. Period. >> Can't go stable piece by piece.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable?

2006-05-06 Thread Philip Webb
060506 Diego 'Flameeyes' Petten? wrote: > On Saturday 06 May 2006 08:48, Philip Webb wrote: >> I've seen this stated before, but why does it have to be "_at once_" ? > Because 3.4 and 3.5 does _NOT_ mix together! That's not an explanation: it merely restates your assertion. >> Many packages have

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable?

2006-05-06 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Saturday 06 May 2006 08:48, Philip Webb wrote: > I've seen this stated before, but why does it have to be "_at once_" ? Because 3.4 and 3.5 does _NOT_ mix together! > Many packages have > 1 stable version available, > so users might have KDE 3.4.3 (all) & 3.5.1 (parts) by now, > with the rest

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable?

2006-05-06 Thread Richard Fish
On 5/5/06, Carsten Lohrke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: All the whining leaves me with the feeling that I'm less interested to work for you. The question "What can I do?" I do never hear. Stop whining, but decide to help or give another distro a try. These are your choices. Just to try to counter

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable?

2006-05-05 Thread Philip Webb
060505 Diego 'Flameeyes' Petten? wrote: > Although modular, KDE 3.5 has to go stable _at once_ > and if KMail is totally broken or has major feature loss, we can't. I've seen this stated before, but why does it have to be "_at once_" ? Many packages have > 1 stable version available, so users mi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable?

2006-05-05 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Friday 05 May 2006 09:20, Bart Braem wrote: > Firefox 1.5: 5 months (the entire world uses it now, in stable) Still has open at least one open vulnerability I know of, still has memory management problems afaik. Despite that it's stable on some architectures. We have exactly one active dev wo

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable?

2006-05-05 Thread Duncan
Philip Webb posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on Fri, 05 May 2006 03:37:06 -0400: > That's very much my own impression. I am now using ~x86 versions of Vim > Vim-core Gvim Cdargs Openoffice Eix Euses Gqview Gwenview Portage Firefox > Galeon Htop KDE -- all of which which I use regular

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable?

2006-05-05 Thread Caleb Tennis
> I understand you don't care about how many users you have, Gentoo is not a > bussiness. But if I try to convince users about the current situation that > is hard. I can't explain this, I really can't. My only answer is "put it > in /etc/portage/package.keywords". But that one is growing very fas

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable?

2006-05-05 Thread Duncan
Jeff Rollin posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on Fri, 05 May 2006 06:28:53 +0100: > Or maybe we could move to a fixed release cycle. Debian uses 18 (?) > months, but maybe a 3- or 6-month release cycle would suit us better Actually, Gentoo already has that, altho the period is still g

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable?

2006-05-05 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Friday 05 May 2006 09:20, Bart Braem wrote: > KDE 3.5.2: 1.5 months (I know our devs get prereleases, so we had this > time) Now I think we really explained that well enough, we're working to mark it stable as soon as we can. *We don't care if you wanted it stable yesterday, it will be stable

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable?

2006-05-05 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Fri, 2006-05-05 at 09:20 +0200, Bart Braem wrote: > > That way, people who prefer stability over the latest features can run > > "arch", and everyone who bitches about packages being out of date can run > > the middle tag, and "~arch" can be kept for testing. > > I really, really agree here. I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable?

2006-05-05 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Bart Braem wrote: > Xorg 7: 5 months Can't stabilize till portage 2.1 is stable. Doesn't matter how many open bugs we've got, or how well it works. Thanks, Donnie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable?

2006-05-05 Thread Harald van Dijk
On Fri, May 05, 2006 at 09:20:08AM +0200, Bart Braem wrote: > Michael Kirkland wrote: > > > I think the problem is that Gentoo is falling into the same sandtrap the > > Debian project has been mired in forever. "arch" and "~arch" are > > polarizing into "stable, but horribly out of date", and "may

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable?

2006-05-05 Thread Bart Braem
Michael Kirkland wrote: > I think the problem is that Gentoo is falling into the same sandtrap the > Debian project has been mired in forever. "arch" and "~arch" are > polarizing into "stable, but horribly out of date", and "maybe it will > work". > > This leads to people trying to maintain a > f