Re: [gentoo-dev] A question to Russian Gentoo Developers Community about import software substitution
How can I unsucribe from this mailing list On May 9, 2015 1:25 AM, Dmitry Yu Okunev dyoku...@ut.mephi.ru wrote: 08.05.2015 23:05, Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov пишет: I had been trying to push the idea of creating an united FOSS community to solve problems of the higher school of the Russian Federation. But such initiatives faded due to absence of support of top executives… And now (according to e.g. [1]) it won't be a problem, IMHO. It would. Just because of the fact, that top executives (in Education Dept, in regional ministerys and so on) is that kind of clerks, that WOULDN'T accept anything if it is impossible to get (read as steal) some money in personal. The link [1] shows that the _can_ get money in personal. And I'd prefer make a distribution for the higher shool based on Gentoo Linux. I'd also prefer, but it is not that possible as you imagine. There is such thing as certification in Federal Security Service (FSB) and so on. 1. It's not a big problem. We can certify a release of our Gentoo based distribution. It's just need a money to pay to laboratories. Plus big universities (like my) have enough social ties to fast push such things through Russian bureaucracy machines, IMO. And we can return the spent money the same way as ALT Linux (by selling tech support coupons). 2. The Federal Service for Technical and Export Control (ФСТЭК) and Federal Security Service (ФСБ) certificates required only to process big systems with personal data (ФЗ-152). For the rest systems (like ordinal desktop) it's not required at all. So here's the Question: Does anybody interested in creating a consortium to send an application to the Ministry of Communications? I'm partially interested to mentally maintain that, but I have to free time to activelly do anything in personal (but, probably, will be fine in a group). I just offer to unite efforts. You don't need to free an additional time. We just need to find common problems and solve it together as a project for Ministry of Communications. Other good people will connect to us and meanwhile the support of the ministry will stimulate the top executives. Specifically, I'm interested in making a distribution for the higher school of Russian Federation. But, as I said, I doubt in success of that operation. But... Let the Force be with us... There was a lot of doubtable (but good) projects in my life. However few of them successfully started and completed. I think we _must_ try if we believe in FOSS. Sorry for this pathos :) P.S. I'd not use politic-related phrases (like import software substitution) in international communities at all and here in particular. Sorry for that. I was thinking that it's better to make subject more concrete. Best regards, Dmitry.
Re: [gentoo-dev] A question to Russian Gentoo Developers Community about import software substitution
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Re: [gentoo-dev] A question to Russian Gentoo Developers Community about import software substitution
08.05.2015 23:05, Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov пишет: I had been trying to push the idea of creating an united FOSS community to solve problems of the higher school of the Russian Federation. But such initiatives faded due to absence of support of top executives… And now (according to e.g. [1]) it won't be a problem, IMHO. It would. Just because of the fact, that top executives (in Education Dept, in regional ministerys and so on) is that kind of clerks, that WOULDN'T accept anything if it is impossible to get (read as steal) some money in personal. The link [1] shows that the _can_ get money in personal. And I'd prefer make a distribution for the higher shool based on Gentoo Linux. I'd also prefer, but it is not that possible as you imagine. There is such thing as certification in Federal Security Service (FSB) and so on. 1. It's not a big problem. We can certify a release of our Gentoo based distribution. It's just need a money to pay to laboratories. Plus big universities (like my) have enough social ties to fast push such things through Russian bureaucracy machines, IMO. And we can return the spent money the same way as ALT Linux (by selling tech support coupons). 2. The Federal Service for Technical and Export Control (ФСТЭК) and Federal Security Service (ФСБ) certificates required only to process big systems with personal data (ФЗ-152). For the rest systems (like ordinal desktop) it's not required at all. So here's the Question: Does anybody interested in creating a consortium to send an application to the Ministry of Communications? I'm partially interested to mentally maintain that, but I have to free time to activelly do anything in personal (but, probably, will be fine in a group). I just offer to unite efforts. You don't need to free an additional time. We just need to find common problems and solve it together as a project for Ministry of Communications. Other good people will connect to us and meanwhile the support of the ministry will stimulate the top executives. Specifically, I'm interested in making a distribution for the higher school of Russian Federation. But, as I said, I doubt in success of that operation. But... Let the Force be with us... There was a lot of doubtable (but good) projects in my life. However few of them successfully started and completed. I think we _must_ try if we believe in FOSS. Sorry for this pathos :) P.S. I'd not use politic-related phrases (like import software substitution) in international communities at all and here in particular. Sorry for that. I was thinking that it's better to make subject more concrete. Best regards, Dmitry.
Re: [gentoo-dev] A question to Russian Gentoo Developers Community about import software substitution
Hi! I'm also interested in this. Actualy some years ago we did such atempt localy but it failed. Dmitry Yu Okunev писал 08-05-2015 22:35: Hello. I'm not a Gentoo Developer and sorry if I shouldn't write such messages here. If it's really so then I'll consider this in the future and it will not happen again. The question is only for Russian Gentoo Developers subcommunity. I had been trying to push the idea of creating an united FOSS community to solve problems of the higher school of the Russian Federation. But such initiatives faded due to absence of support of top executives… And now (according to e.g. [1]) it won't be a problem, IMHO. And I'd prefer make a distribution for the higher shool based on Gentoo Linux. So here's the Question: Does anybody interested in creating a consortium to send an application to the Ministry of Communications? [1] http://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=42189 Best regards, Dmirty. -- Best Regards, Alexey 'Alexxy' Shvetsov Best Regards, Alexey 'Alexxy' Shvetsov, PhD Department of Molecular and Radiation Biophysics FSBI Petersburg Nuclear Physics Institute, NRC Kurchatov Institute, Leningrad region, Gatchina, Russia Gentoo Team Ru Gentoo Linux Dev mailto:alexx...@gmail.com mailto:ale...@gentoo.org mailto:ale...@omrb.pnpi.spb.ru
[gentoo-dev] A question to Russian Gentoo Developers Community about import software substitution
Hello. I'm not a Gentoo Developer and sorry if I shouldn't write such messages here. If it's really so then I'll consider this in the future and it will not happen again. The question is only for Russian Gentoo Developers subcommunity. I had been trying to push the idea of creating an united FOSS community to solve problems of the higher school of the Russian Federation. But such initiatives faded due to absence of support of top executives… And now (according to e.g. [1]) it won't be a problem, IMHO. And I'd prefer make a distribution for the higher shool based on Gentoo Linux. So here's the Question: Does anybody interested in creating a consortium to send an application to the Ministry of Communications? [1] http://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=42189 Best regards, Dmirty. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] A question to Russian Gentoo Developers Community about import software substitution
I had been trying to push the idea of creating an united FOSS community to solve problems of the higher school of the Russian Federation. But such initiatives faded due to absence of support of top executives… And now (according to e.g. [1]) it won't be a problem, IMHO. It would. Just because of the fact, that top executives (in Education Dept, in regional ministerys and so on) is that kind of clerks, that WOULDN'T accept anything if it is impossible to get (read as steal) some money in personal. And I'd prefer make a distribution for the higher shool based on Gentoo Linux. I'd also prefer, but it is not that possible as you imagine. There is such thing as certification in Federal Security Service (FSB) and so on. And there is only two such distributions: Alt Linux and Rosa Linux (if not talking about GPL-violating MSVS and Elbrus OS with unknown status of GPL violation (since I'm not ready to pay $5k just to check if sources will be included there)). So here's the Question: Does anybody interested in creating a consortium to send an application to the Ministry of Communications? I'm partially interested to mentally maintain that, but I have to free time to activelly do anything in personal (but, probably, will be fine in a group). And, except of that, I even very interested in in-place integration, because: 1) I'm Gentoo-affiliated IT company CEO (and intereted in Gentoo popularity, and have legal possibility for in-place integration in the city I live now), 2) I'm a thrice father and dislike the idea my children will be forced to learn some M$-produced bloatware. That's why I very like the idea of FLOSS/Linuxes at all (and Gentoo in particular) in the schools. But, as I said, I doubt in success of that operation. But... Let the Force be with us... P.S. I'd not use politic-related phrases (like import software substitution) in international communities at all and here in particular. -- Best regards, mva signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] A question to Russian Gentoo Developers Community about import software substitution
On Sat, 09 May 2015 02:05:58 +0600 Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov m...@mva.name wrote: I'd also prefer, but it is not that possible as you imagine. There is such thing as certification in Federal Security Service (FSB) and so on. And there is only two such distributions: Alt Linux and Rosa Linux (if not talking about GPL-violating MSVS and Elbrus OS with unknown status of GPL violation (since I'm not ready to pay $5k just to check if sources will be included there)). For secure industrial OS there's one from Kaspersky wich isn't based on Linux kernel at all but was written by their own. And that's what FSB may check and certify if they want. But I don't think that you need to certify Linux Distribution for universities and colleges in FSB.
