Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing PMS to Portage Manager Specification

2017-08-16 Thread Daniel Campbell
On 08/14/2017 03:39 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 15:20:26 -0700 > Rich Freeman wrote: > >> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 5:26 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. >> wrote: >>> >>> Portage supports sets, but the PMS has no mention. Then there is >>> debate on what they are. Creating s

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing PMS to Portage Manager Specification

2017-08-16 Thread Tim Harder
On 2017-08-16 05:56, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > Considering it says exactly the same for EAPI 5, this is almost > > certainly a mistake - but I'd rather confirm this here before > > changing the page. > Unfortunately, information about EAPI 4 and 5 support is not entirely > clear from the NEWS file

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing PMS to Portage Manager Specification

2017-08-16 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Wed, 16 Aug 2017, Marek Szuba wrote: > On 2017-08-14 23:46, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: >> pkgcore - does not support EAPI 6, only experimental EAPI 5 > Side note - according to > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Package_Manager_Specification > pkgcore has supported EAPI 6 since

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing PMS to Portage Manager Specification

2017-08-16 Thread Marek Szuba
On 2017-08-14 23:46, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > pkgcore - does not support EAPI 6, only experimental EAPI 5 Side note - according to https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Package_Manager_Specification pkgcore has supported EAPI 6 since version 0.9.3. Considering it says exactly the same for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing PMS to Portage Manager Specification

2017-08-14 Thread Michał Górny
On pon, 2017-08-14 at 18:39 -0400, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 15:20:26 -0700 > Rich Freeman wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 5:26 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. > > wrote: > > > > > > Portage supports sets, but the PMS has no mention. Then there is > > > debate on what

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing PMS to Portage Manager Specification

2017-08-14 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 15:20:26 -0700 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 5:26 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. > wrote: > > > > Portage supports sets, but the PMS has no mention. Then there is > > debate on what they are. Creating so much noise it drowns the bug > > request and makes it invali

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing PMS to Portage Manager Specification

2017-08-14 Thread Gordon Pettey
On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 4:46 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Sat, 12 Aug 2017 09:55:02 -0500 > Gordon Pettey wrote: > > > On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Alexander Berntsen > > wrote: > > > > > While the PMS perhaps hasn't been an unequivocal success, it's > > > still a good effort with

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing PMS to Portage Manager Specification

2017-08-14 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 5:26 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > Portage supports sets, but the PMS has no mention. Then there is debate > on what they are. Creating so much noise it drowns the bug request and > makes it invalid. Despite the need still existing, and PMS lacking > anything on se

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing PMS to Portage Manager Specification

2017-08-14 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Sat, 12 Aug 2017 09:55:02 -0500 Gordon Pettey wrote: > On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Alexander Berntsen > wrote: > > > While the PMS perhaps hasn't been an unequivocal success, it's > > still a good effort with some success. I would be disappointed to > > see the proposed change, and view

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing PMS to Portage Manager Specification

2017-08-14 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 15:09:15 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Peter Stuge wrote: > > > > I am sure > > that portage developers gnash their teeth at blockers stemming from > > PMS, but I wholeheartedly believe that Gentoo, PMS and Portage are > > all better off for it.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing PMS to Portage Manager Specification

2017-08-14 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 4:42 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > I cannot explain why those who do portage development are not the PMS > authors. > Have you considered asking them? -- Rich

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing PMS to Portage Manager Specification

2017-08-14 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 18:42:21 + Peter Stuge wrote: > Alexander Berntsen wrote: > > While the PMS perhaps hasn't been an unequivocal success, it's > > still a good effort with some success. I would be disappointed to > > see the proposed change, and view it as a bad sign for Gentoo. > > As f

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing PMS to Portage Manager Specification

2017-08-14 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Peter Stuge wrote: > > I am sure > that portage developers gnash their teeth at blockers stemming from > PMS, but I wholeheartedly believe that Gentoo, PMS and Portage are > all better off for it. > Honestly, I've yet to see any portage developers complaining abou

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing PMS to Portage Manager Specification

2017-08-14 Thread Peter Stuge
Alexander Berntsen wrote: > While the PMS perhaps hasn't been an unequivocal success, it's still a > good effort with some success. I would be disappointed to see the > proposed change, and view it as a bad sign for Gentoo. As far as technical documentation about how ebuilds work (the core of Gent

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing PMS to Portage Manager Specification

2017-08-12 Thread Gordon Pettey
On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > While the PMS perhaps hasn't been an unequivocal success, it's still a > good effort with some success. I would be disappointed to see the > proposed change, and view it as a bad sign for Gentoo. > Also, how many Portages are there tha

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing PMS to Portage Manager Specification

2017-08-12 Thread Alexander Berntsen
While the PMS perhaps hasn't been an unequivocal success, it's still a good effort with some success. I would be disappointed to see the proposed change, and view it as a bad sign for Gentoo. -- Alexander berna...@gentoo.org https://secure.plaimi.net/~alexander signature.asc Description: OpenPG

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing PMS to Portage Manager Specification

2017-08-01 Thread Sam Jorna
On Tue, Aug 01, 2017 at 06:05:00PM -0400, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > I think Gentoo council, developers, and portage developers should > consider changing the PMS, to something like Portage Manager > Specification, or Gentoo Portage Specification. Make it Gentoo > and portage specific, and oth

[gentoo-dev] Changing PMS to Portage Manager Specification

2017-08-01 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
I think Gentoo council, developers, and portage developers should consider changing the PMS, to something like Portage Manager Specification, or Gentoo Portage Specification. Make it Gentoo and portage specific, and others adhere to that standard. I understand the rationale behind PMS. However the