Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 39 compliance
Am Mittwoch, 30. August 2006 14:26 schrieb Alec Warner: Eselect, your project pages lists retired developers (Ciaran).[4] Ciaran is the original Author, and he still helps more than ocassionally with problems and bugs. I won't remove him from that page. As precedences, the Gentoo Handbook list of authors contains former Gentoo devs. Danny -- Danny van Dyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo/AMD64 Project, Gentoo Scientific Project -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 39 compliance
Danny van Dyk wrote: Am Mittwoch, 30. August 2006 14:26 schrieb Alec Warner: Eselect, your project pages lists retired developers (Ciaran).[4] Ciaran is the original Author, and he still helps more than ocassionally with problems and bugs. I won't remove him from that page. As precedences, the Gentoo Handbook list of authors contains former Gentoo devs. Danny The only problem is that it lists him as contactable by [EMAIL PROTECTED] aka [EMAIL PROTECTED] which is false. I've actually wondered about this as well since I've been in projects as a non-dev and Treecleaners has non-devs. Can we get some kind of modification to the dev tag for non-gentoo contributors? I would agree with you that removing him would be immensely inconsiderate. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 39 compliance
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 09:32:32AM -0400, Alec Warner wrote: The only problem is that it lists him as contactable by [EMAIL PROTECTED] aka [EMAIL PROTECTED] which is false. Also the whole section is called Developers, not people who once contributed but aren't developers any more or eventually they are, well you never know for sure, just send an email and see if it bounces. ;-) I've actually wondered about this as well since I've been in projects as a non-dev and Treecleaners has non-devs. Can we get some kind of modification to the dev tag for non-gentoo contributors? http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/treecleaners/ Looks like a perfect example how to solve it to me - one section listing the developers and one for contributors who aren't. cheers, Wernfried -- Wernfried Haas (amne) - amne at gentoo dot org Gentoo Forums: http://forums.gentoo.org IRC: #gentoo-forums on freenode - email: forum-mods at gentoo dot org pgpzVmveG558M.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 39 compliance
Wernfried Haas wrote: On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 09:32:32AM -0400, Alec Warner wrote: The only problem is that it lists him as contactable by [EMAIL PROTECTED] aka [EMAIL PROTECTED] which is false. Also the whole section is called Developers, not people who once contributed but aren't developers any more or eventually they are, well you never know for sure, just send an email and see if it bounces. ;-) I've actually wondered about this as well since I've been in projects as a non-dev and Treecleaners has non-devs. Can we get some kind of modification to the dev tag for non-gentoo contributors? http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/treecleaners/ Looks like a perfect example how to solve it to me - one section listing the developers and one for contributors who aren't. cheers, Wernfried Damn you for using my project page against me! :P Phreak wrote that part actually ;) I was hoping for a more graceful solution than separate sections. At least with regards to cleaners, there are no better people because they are developers. Only people with commit access to fix stuff and people who don't have commit access. is really the only (useful) distinction. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 39 compliance
On Wednesday, 30. August. 2006 16:36, Wernfried Haas wrote: On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 09:32:32AM -0400, Alec Warner wrote: The only problem is that it lists him as contactable by [EMAIL PROTECTED] aka [EMAIL PROTECTED] which is false. Also the whole section is called Developers, not people who once contributed but aren't developers any more or eventually they are, well you never know for sure, just send an email and see if it bounces. ;-) I've actually wondered about this as well since I've been in projects as a non-dev and Treecleaners has non-devs. Can we get some kind of modification to the dev tag for non-gentoo contributors? http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/treecleaners/ Looks like a perfect example how to solve it to me - one section listing the developers and one for contributors who aren't. If you take a look at the plain XML, you'll see that's a custom made table. As Alec suggested it would be nice to have a modified version of the dev-tag (accepting something like role=contributor and according to that listing them separately) or an extra tag like contrib for example. -- Christian Heim phreak at gentoo.org GPG key ID: 9A9F68E6 Fingerprint: AEC4 87B8 32B8 4922 B3A9 DF79 CAE3 556F 9A9F 68E6 Your friendly treecleaner/mobile/kernel/vserver/openvz monkey pgpSft57LDogt.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 39 compliance
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 10:11:10AM -0400, Alec Warner wrote: Damn you for using my project page against me! :P insert evil laughter here Phreak wrote that part actually ;) I was hoping for a more graceful solution than separate sections. As far i am concerned, i find seperate sections quite good as it's a clear solution as it's easy to see who is an official Gentoo monkey who did all the quiz stuff etc. May be subject to personal taste though. At least with regards to cleaners, there are no better people because they are developers. Only people with commit access to fix stuff and people who don't have commit access. is really the only (useful) distinction. Fair enough. The real contribution is still about doing the work. cheers, Wernfried -- Wernfried Haas (amne) - amne at gentoo dot org Gentoo Forums: http://forums.gentoo.org IRC: #gentoo-forums on freenode - email: forum-mods at gentoo dot org pgpxujUewC2Gj.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 39 compliance
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 05:18:00PM +0200, Christian Heim wrote: If you take a look at the plain XML, you'll see that's a custom made table. As Alec suggested it would be nice to have a modified version of the dev-tag (accepting something like role=contributor and according to that listing them separately) or an extra tag like contrib for example. Ah, i had not realized that. In that case it surely would make sense to implement that globally - be it a seperate table or a contributor tag (whatever people think is better). cheers, Wernfried -- Wernfried Haas (amne) - amne at gentoo dot org Gentoo Forums: http://forums.gentoo.org IRC: #gentoo-forums on freenode - email: forum-mods at gentoo dot org pgprv4kiEC3Dp.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 39 compliance
Wernfried Haas wrote: As far i am concerned, i find seperate sections quite good as it's a clear solution as it's easy to see who is an official Gentoo monkey who did all the quiz stuff etc. May be subject to personal taste though. Well, yeah, it just makes we wonder what the fuck an ebuild quiz has to do with a bash framework, as in this example? Really, the ebuild quiz is cool for ebuild maintainers, so you at least know about some common mistakes, but it does nothing beyond that. Simply spoken: You can use them as indicator for _nothing_, i.e. it's completely unimportant whether you did the quizzes or not. IMO, at least. -- Kind Regards, Simon Stelling Gentoo/AMD64 developer -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 39 compliance
Simon Stelling wrote: Wernfried Haas wrote: As far i am concerned, i find seperate sections quite good as it's a clear solution as it's easy to see who is an official Gentoo monkey who did all the quiz stuff etc. May be subject to personal taste though. Well, yeah, it just makes we wonder what the fuck an ebuild quiz has to do with a bash framework, as in this example? Really, the ebuild quiz is cool for ebuild maintainers, so you at least know about some common mistakes, but it does nothing beyond that. Simply spoken: You can use them as indicator for _nothing_, i.e. it's completely unimportant whether you did the quizzes or not. IMO, at least. Moreso for me it lists people as having @gentoo e-mail addresses, which is incorrect. I think perhaps listing their e-mail in a seperate field and dropping the [EMAIL PROTECTED], such that for contributors we can list alternate addresses. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 39 compliance
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 08:26:41AM -0400, Alec Warner wrote: A project exists if it has a web page at www.g.o/proj/en/whatever that is maintained. (Maintained means that the information on the page is factually correct and not out-of-date.) If the webpage isn't maintained, it is presumed dead. I'm not trying to pick on any projects. Some pages are out of date but look ok ( like catalyst! Thats an old page! but i know you are writing 2.0 docs soon ;)). I'm used my own descretion in picking out projects (including projects for which I am a member). Very few are dead, mostly just listing retired devs as active. Gentoo/MIPS, your project page needs updates (last updated 2005, by the looks of things). Your page also lists retired developers (Ciaran).[1] Gentoo/PPC64, you also need to update your website (last updated 2005)[2] Gentoo/Sparc, some of your developers were retired (todd,cjr)[3] Eselect, your project pages lists retired developers (Ciaran).[4] GLEP - I actually e-mailed Grant a bunch of updates and I'm waiting for those to get done ;) Portage/Sandbox - I say we just remove this, afaik no development has happened in a long time.[5] Granted, az hasn't updated the page ever, but sandbox development certainly ain't dead- fresh release within last two months. ~brian pgpVj1DgmUn0T.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 39 compliance
Alec Warner wrote: Danny van Dyk wrote: Am Mittwoch, 30. August 2006 14:26 schrieb Alec Warner: Eselect, your project pages lists retired developers (Ciaran).[4] Ciaran is the original Author, and he still helps more than ocassionally with problems and bugs. I won't remove him from that page. As precedences, the Gentoo Handbook list of authors contains former Gentoo devs. Not just the handbook. Whenever any dev retires, all docs which he is credited in should be updated with his new email, or no @gentoo.org email. This has been mentioned on #gentoo-doc a few weeks ago. Using the roll-call to replace the @gentoo.org email of a retired dev with his new one or no email is on my todo list. Danny The only problem is that it lists him as contactable by [EMAIL PROTECTED] aka [EMAIL PROTECTED] which is false. I've actually wondered about this as well since I've been in projects as a non-dev and Treecleaners has non-devs. Can we get some kind of modification to the dev tag for non-gentoo contributors? Atm, using the dev implies the dev is listed in the roll-call. The status can be tested to perform s/Member/Retired/ A fourth column with the email instead of the hardcoded text All developers can be reached by e-mail using [EMAIL PROTECTED] below the table is a trivial thing to do. Extending dev with something like dev role=Contributor nick=fnord email=[EMAIL PROTECTED]Mr. Foo Bar/dev would be no problem. I would agree with you that removing him would be immensely inconsiderate. Once you guys have made up your mind, please do file a bug for me as I tend to not read much of -dev. Thanks. Wkr, -- / Xavier Neys \_ Gentoo Documentation Project / /\ http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
