Am Sonntag, 26. Mai 2013, 18:15:46 schrieb Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina:
>
> Perhaps this was covered already, but how exactly did this one file,
> added by your co-maintainer, hurt you? Did it cause additional bugs?
> Did it break a working ebuild? Did it kill your cat?
>
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On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
wrote:
> Perhaps this was covered already, but how exactly did this one file,
> added by your co-maintainer, hurt you? Did it cause additional bugs?
> Did it break a working ebuild? Did it kill your cat?
>
> It would seem to me that the c
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On 05/26/2013 11:21 AM, Ben de Groot wrote:
> On 26 May 2013 18:04, Rich Freeman wrote:
>> On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 3:43 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
>>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 15:23:44 +0800
>>> Ben de Groot wrote:
Where is this policy documented?
On 26 May 2013 18:04, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 3:43 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 15:23:44 +0800
>> Ben de Groot wrote:
>>>
>>> Where is this policy documented?
>>
>> Nowhere, I think. I've seen it coming in the late thread, looked common
>> sense enough to
On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 3:43 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Sun, 26 May 2013 15:23:44 +0800
> Ben de Groot wrote:
>>
>> Where is this policy documented?
>
> Nowhere, I think. I've seen it coming in the late thread, looked common
> sense enough to me.
>
> If it is to be documented, I think we should
On 5/26/13 9:45 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
As in, say, lastrite GNOME and tell users to switch to other distro?
Or maybe everything using udev? Sounds much like the way to get
the 'one distro' dream some people have. But wasn't the intent opposite?
eudev was made on purpose to let people avoid sys
El dom, 26-05-2013 a las 08:55 +0200, Michał Górny escribió:
[...]
> > As far as resisting systemd, why is that so bad? Vertical integration is
> > generally a bad idea with the sole exception of when your use case(s)
> > line up perfectly with the ivory tower and you need all of the offered
> > fe
El dom, 26-05-2013 a las 15:23 +0800, Ben de Groot escribió:
[...]
> But it isn't even like that. I'm not taking away anyone's freedom to
> use systemd.
You are doing as you are forcing them to have a semi-usable setup when
merging packages.
> You can do so if you wish. You can add unit files to
On Sun, 26 May 2013 09:22:05 +0200
Tiziano Müller wrote:
> Am Samstag, den 25.05.2013, 15:53 -0400 schrieb Anthony G. Basile:
> > We are moving too quickly on bug #448882 ([Tracker] packages not
> > providing systemd units). We should come to better consensus on systemd
> > integration and we
On Sun, 26 May 2013 15:23:44 +0800
Ben de Groot wrote:
> On 26 May 2013 00:48, Michał Górny wrote:
> > On the other hand, we
> > also agreed that they shouldn't refuse unit files if anyone else
> > does the work for them.
>
> Where is this policy documented?
Nowhere, I think. I've seen it comi
On Sun, 26 May 2013 15:15:18 +0800
Ben de Groot wrote:
> On 26 May 2013 01:00, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> > We can now have long discussions about upstream decisions, how to handle
> > devrel problems... but I think it's much more easy: this kind of
> > "boycott" attitudes should stop in favor of comm
El dom, 26-05-2013 a las 09:22 +0200, Tiziano Müller escribió:
[...]
> > Can I ask the systemd people to design a working solution for opting
> > out? I can't support this initiative without such a solution and I
> > would be happy to work with the systemd people to reach it, ie I'll test.
> >
El dom, 26-05-2013 a las 15:15 +0800, Ben de Groot escribió:
> On 26 May 2013 01:00, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> > We can now have long discussions about upstream decisions, how to handle
> > devrel problems... but I think it's much more easy: this kind of
> > "boycott" attitudes should stop in favor of
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On 05/26/2013 01:55 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Sun, 26 May 2013 01:24:03 -0500 Daniel Campbell
> wrote:
>
>> On 05/25/2013 02:53 PM, Anthony G. Basile wrote:
>>> We are moving too quickly on bug #448882 ([Tracker] packages
>>> not providing syste
On 26 May 2013 00:48, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Sun, 26 May 2013 00:14:36 +0800
> Ben de Groot wrote:
>> Unless I am mistaken, we did NOT agree anywhere that Gentoo
>> maintainers MUST add systemd support when upstream does not ship such
>> files.
>
> We did agree that Gentoo maintainers are not s
Am Samstag, den 25.05.2013, 15:53 -0400 schrieb Anthony G. Basile:
> On 05/25/2013 02:13 PM, Markos Chandras wrote:
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> > On 05/25/2013 05:14 PM, Ben de Groot wrote:
> >> But if a co-maintainer pushes through a change that I oppose, then
> >
On 26 May 2013 01:00, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> We can now have long discussions about upstream decisions, how to handle
> devrel problems... but I think it's much more easy: this kind of
> "boycott" attitudes should stop in favor of common sense.
Common sense would be to recognize that systemd is a b
On 26 May 2013 02:13, Markos Chandras wrote:
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> On 05/25/2013 05:14 PM, Ben de Groot wrote:
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>> But if a co-maintainer pushes through a change that I oppose, then
>> working together becomes quite difficult. In this case I opted to
>> give up
On Sat, 25 May 2013 15:53:21 -0400
"Anthony G. Basile" wrote:
> We are moving too quickly on bug #448882 ([Tracker] packages not
> providing systemd units). We should come to better consensus on systemd
> integration and we were getting there with the idea of INSTALL_MASK. I
> don't know that
On Sun, 26 May 2013 01:24:03 -0500
Daniel Campbell wrote:
> On 05/25/2013 02:53 PM, Anthony G. Basile wrote:
> > We are moving too quickly on bug #448882 ([Tracker] packages not
> > providing systemd units). We should come to better consensus on systemd
> > integration and we were getting there
On 05/25/2013 02:53 PM, Anthony G. Basile wrote:
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>> On 05/25/2013 05:14 PM, Ben de Groot wrote:
>>> But if a co-maintainer pushes through a change that I oppose, then
>>> working together becom
On 05/25/2013 03:58 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote:
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Anthony G. Basile wrote:
Can I ask the systemd people to design a working solution for opting out? I
can't support this initiative without such a solution and I would be happy
to work with the systemd people to reach
On 5/25/13 6:48 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
On Sun, 26 May 2013 00:14:36 +0800
Ben de Groot wrote:
I'm taking this from https://bugs.gentoo.org/412697 to the dev mailing
list, since this discussion doesn't really belong on bugzilla.
Seems that *upstream* had to a bit of work in order to support
On Sat, 25 May 2013 22:02:26 +0200
Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote:
> Rich Freeman schrieb:
> >> Yet another stand. No offense but I'm afraid it's quite childish of you.
> >> I don't understand why you're so proud of it. It's a bit like 'Gentoo
> >> will play as I like. If it doesn't, then I w
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
wrote:
> Rich Freeman schrieb:
>>> Yet another stand. No offense but I'm afraid it's quite childish of you.
>>> I don't understand why you're so proud of it. It's a bit like 'Gentoo
>>> will play as I like. If it doesn't, then I will pl
Rich Freeman schrieb:
>> Yet another stand. No offense but I'm afraid it's quite childish of you.
>> I don't understand why you're so proud of it. It's a bit like 'Gentoo
>> will play as I like. If it doesn't, then I will play against Gentoo.
>> And if that doesn't help, I will resent and slam the
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Anthony G. Basile wrote:
> We are moving too quickly on bug #448882 ([Tracker] packages not providing
> systemd units). We should come to better consensus on systemd integration
> and we were getting there with the idea of INSTALL_MASK. I don't know that
> it is a
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Anthony G. Basile wrote:
> Can I ask the systemd people to design a working solution for opting out? I
> can't support this initiative without such a solution and I would be happy
> to work with the systemd people to reach it, ie I'll test.
>
What about INSTALL_M
On 05/25/2013 02:13 PM, Markos Chandras wrote:
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On 05/25/2013 05:14 PM, Ben de Groot wrote:
But if a co-maintainer pushes through a change that I oppose, then
working together becomes quite difficult. In this case I opted to
give up maintainership.
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On 05/25/2013 05:14 PM, Ben de Groot wrote:
>
> But if a co-maintainer pushes through a change that I oppose, then
> working together becomes quite difficult. In this case I opted to
> give up maintainership.
>
Ben,
We've been working together, i
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Sun, 26 May 2013 00:14:36 +0800
> Ben de Groot wrote:
>> But if a co-maintainer pushes through a change that I oppose, then
>> working together becomes quite difficult. In this case I opted to give
>> up maintainership.
>
> Yet another st
On Sun, 26 May 2013 00:14:36 +0800
Ben de Groot wrote:
> I'm taking this from https://bugs.gentoo.org/412697 to the dev mailing
> list, since this discussion doesn't really belong on bugzilla.
Since Bugzilla is down at the moment and it seems not to be mentioned
anywhere in the mail, the package
Ben, you're really just being a child here. Is that a really big problem to
add a small text file to your package?! Is that a big maintaining burden?
If you can't test it, systemd team can, just like there are arch teams to
test packages on other archs the maintainers can't. It's not something tha
El dom, 26-05-2013 a las 00:14 +0800, Ben de Groot escribió:
> I'm taking this from https://bugs.gentoo.org/412697 to the dev mailing
> list, since this discussion doesn't really belong on bugzilla.
>
> Some background copied from the bug report:
[...]
Probably your following comment in bug repor
I'm taking this from https://bugs.gentoo.org/412697 to the dev mailing
list, since this discussion doesn't really belong on bugzilla.
Some background copied from the bug report:
(In reply to comment #21)
> (In reply to comment #19)
> > (In reply to comment #17)
> > > (In reply to comment #15)
> >
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