Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: GTK USE flag situation (gtk, gtk2, gtk3; relevant to bug #420493)

2014-02-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 00:13 Wed 12 Feb , Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: > Right now, I don't really get the point of this discussion given all the > precedent threads about this, be it 2 years ago and 8-10 years ago. I spent a while tonight digging up this post from 2005, which nicely describes where we were with

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: GTK USE flag situation (gtk, gtk2, gtk3; relevant to bug #420493)

2014-02-19 Thread Sergey Popov
18.02.2014 13:39, Ben de Groot пишет: > On 12 February 2014 07:04, Samuli Suominen wrote: > [...] >> >> It's sad that people don't follow common sense (which happens to be the >> GNOME highlights) >> and that everything must be turned into a policy of somesort so people >> get it. >> > [...] >> >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: GTK USE flag situation (gtk, gtk2, gtk3; relevant to bug #420493)

2014-02-18 Thread Ben de Groot
On 12 February 2014 07:04, Samuli Suominen wrote: [...] > > It's sad that people don't follow common sense (which happens to be the > GNOME highlights) > and that everything must be turned into a policy of somesort so people > get it. > [...] > > Just make the gnome gtk3 policy the guideline if yo

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: GTK USE flag situation (gtk, gtk2, gtk3; relevant to bug #420493)

2014-02-12 Thread Matt Turner
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Chris Reffett wrote: > On 2/12/2014 3:09 AM, Michał Górny wrote: >> Dnia 2014-02-11, o godz. 19:33:06 Chris Reffett >> napisał(a): >> >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> On 02/11/2014 06:13 PM, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: > Unfortunately

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: GTK USE flag situation (gtk, gtk2, gtk3; relevant to bug #420493)

2014-02-12 Thread Gilles Dartiguelongue
Le mercredi 12 février 2014 à 17:46 -0500, Chris Reffett a écrit : > splits it into two > separate packages, and I suspect that the times where you will have to > rebuild are when a package needs webkit-gtk to support another toolkit > (which should happen only once), and when you upgrade (in which

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: GTK USE flag situation (gtk, gtk2, gtk3; relevant to bug #420493)

2014-02-12 Thread Chris Reffett
On 2/12/2014 3:09 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > Dnia 2014-02-11, o godz. 19:33:06 Chris Reffett > napisał(a): > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 02/11/2014 06:13 PM, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: Unfortunately, the concurrent nature of gtk2/gtk3 has resulted in pa

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: GTK USE flag situation (gtk, gtk2, gtk3; relevant to bug #420493)

2014-02-12 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 09:05:59 +0100 Michał Górny wrote: > Dnia 2014-02-12, o godz. 00:39:14 > Alex Alexander napisał(a): > > > Some developers choose to follow the Gnome team's highlights, while > > others choose to go their own way. The QA team would like to > > establish a guideline that solve

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: GTK USE flag situation (gtk, gtk2, gtk3; relevant to bug #420493)

2014-02-12 Thread Gilles Dartiguelongue
Le mercredi 12 février 2014 à 08:29 +0100, Lars Wendler a écrit : [...] > > This is a really good idea and I am all in favor of it. > gtk+:3 still isn't adopted widely and there are still not many good > looking skins available for it. (sorry but I don't want to have all gtk+ > apps I am using loo

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: GTK USE flag situation (gtk, gtk2, gtk3; relevant to bug #420493)

2014-02-12 Thread Gilles Dartiguelongue
Le mardi 11 février 2014 à 19:33 -0500, Chris Reffett a écrit : > This doesn't make sense to me at all. I can't see why slotted > libraries can't just use USE flags to specify what toolkit they're > built against, just like any other package in the tree (so, for > example, a package that needs webk

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: GTK USE flag situation (gtk, gtk2, gtk3; relevant to bug #420493)

2014-02-12 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2014-02-11, o godz. 19:33:06 Chris Reffett napisał(a): > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 02/11/2014 06:13 PM, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: > >> Unfortunately, the concurrent nature of gtk2/gtk3 has resulted in > >> packages that may support either or both the toolkits

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: GTK USE flag situation (gtk, gtk2, gtk3; relevant to bug #420493)

2014-02-12 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2014-02-12, o godz. 00:39:14 Alex Alexander napisał(a): > Some developers choose to follow the Gnome team's highlights, while others > choose to go their own way. The QA team would like to establish a guideline > that solves this problem in the best way possible. First of all, I think that

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: GTK USE flag situation (gtk, gtk2, gtk3; relevant to bug #420493)

2014-02-11 Thread Lars Wendler
Hi, On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 00:39:14 +0200 Alex Alexander wrote: >Hello fellow developers, > >In the first meeting of the new QA team, we discussed the state of the >gtk{,2,3} USE flags in the main tree. [0] > >In its current state, USE="gtk" means gtk2. The Gnome team is trying >to change this into

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: GTK USE flag situation (gtk, gtk2, gtk3; relevant to bug #420493)

2014-02-11 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mar, 11-02-2014 a las 19:33 -0500, Chris Reffett escribió: [...] > This doesn't make sense to me at all. I can't see why slotted > libraries can't just use USE flags to specify what toolkit they're > built against, just like any other package in the tree (so, for > example, a package that needs

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: GTK USE flag situation (gtk, gtk2, gtk3; relevant to bug #420493)

2014-02-11 Thread Chris Reffett
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/11/2014 06:13 PM, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: > Thanks for attaching link to team's policy which tries to lift any > kind of ambiguities people may have for what concerns gnome team's > packages, I hope it proved useful in your discussions. > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: GTK USE flag situation (gtk, gtk2, gtk3; relevant to bug #420493)

2014-02-11 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, Samuli Suominen wrote: > But applications is whole different story... > The maintainer makes the decision which toolkit is used and best > supported. If some application has initial port to gtk3, but still > lacks some features the gtk2 version still had, then maintaine

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: GTK USE flag situation (gtk, gtk2, gtk3; relevant to bug #420493)

2014-02-11 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 12/02/14 01:51, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, Samuli Suominen wrote: >> USE="gtk3" is valid only for libraries when it's not easy to >> split/slot as a temporary flag. Applications should simply pick one, >> the latest one that works, since anything else is obviously >> redu

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: GTK USE flag situation (gtk, gtk2, gtk3; relevant to bug #420493)

2014-02-11 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, Samuli Suominen wrote: > USE="gtk3" is valid only for libraries when it's not easy to > split/slot as a temporary flag. Applications should simply pick one, > the latest one that works, since anything else is obviously > redudant. I don't see why applications should be

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: GTK USE flag situation (gtk, gtk2, gtk3; relevant to bug #420493)

2014-02-11 Thread Gilles Dartiguelongue
Thanks for attaching link to team's policy which tries to lift any kind of ambiguities people may have for what concerns gnome team's packages, I hope it proved useful in your discussions. Le mercredi 12 février 2014 à 00:39 +0200, Alex Alexander a écrit : > Hello fellow developers, > > In the f

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: GTK USE flag situation (gtk, gtk2, gtk3; relevant to bug #420493)

2014-02-11 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 12/02/14 00:39, Alex Alexander wrote: > Hello fellow developers, > > In the first meeting of the new QA team, we discussed the state of the > gtk{,2,3} USE flags in the main tree. [0] > > In its current state, USE="gtk" means gtk2. The Gnome team is trying to change > this into "the most recent

[gentoo-dev] RFC: GTK USE flag situation (gtk, gtk2, gtk3; relevant to bug #420493)

2014-02-11 Thread Alex Alexander
Hello fellow developers, In the first meeting of the new QA team, we discussed the state of the gtk{,2,3} USE flags in the main tree. [0] In its current state, USE="gtk" means gtk2. The Gnome team is trying to change this into "the most recent gtk version" (it is a work in progress). Unfortunate