Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Forbid using versions in DESCRIPTION

2007-07-25 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 24 July 2007, Luca Barbato wrote: > Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote: > > That would make it > > impossible to use ${PV} and more importantly also remove some > > duplication. > > It isn't duplicated, description is per ebuild and could change, > metadata is for the package as whole. can y

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Forbid using versions in DESCRIPTION

2007-07-25 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 24 July 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Petteri Räty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But is there anything that makes use of version specific DESCRIPTION > > atoms? > > Yep. Have a look at sys-devel/gcc for example. Some versions include > various extensions, and say so in DESCRIPTION. eh

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Forbid using versions in DESCRIPTION

2007-07-24 Thread Tiziano Müller
Ciaran McCreesh schrieb: > And there aren't specification-compliant Yaml libraries for Ruby, > Python or Perl. That's important. If you're using the thing that Syck > generates, you're not using Yaml. Sorry for starting this off-topic discussion. I'd suggest that we first concentrate on what we wa

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Forbid using versions in DESCRIPTION

2007-07-24 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:11:35 +0200 Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > Yaml looks nicer than XML on the surface, but unfortunately it's > > still a pain in the ass to handle... > > > > Basically because there aren't nicer libraries for languages different > than r

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Forbid using versions in DESCRIPTION

2007-07-24 Thread Luca Barbato
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > Yaml looks nicer than XML on the surface, but unfortunately it's still a > pain in the ass to handle... > Basically because there aren't nicer libraries for languages different than ruby python and perl... =/ lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC http://dev.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Forbid using versions in DESCRIPTION

2007-07-24 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:46:05 +0200 Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > The only specification-compliant yaml parser is written in C, has > > only the bottom two layers of the stack and no usable external > > bindings... Perhaps you mean "something that's basically y

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Forbid using versions in DESCRIPTION

2007-07-24 Thread Luca Barbato
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > The only specification-compliant yaml parser is written in C, has > only the bottom two layers of the stack and no usable external > bindings... Perhaps you mean "something that's basically yaml except > with reserved string-start characters not handled correctly", in which

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Forbid using versions in DESCRIPTION

2007-07-24 Thread Luca Barbato
Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote: > Christian Faulhammer wrote: >> Petteri Rýty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >>> I did see anything in devmanual taking a stance on this issue: >>> http://devmanual.gentoo.org/ebuild-writing/variables/index.html >>> What do you think about adding a sentence or two saying tha

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Forbid using versions in DESCRIPTION

2007-07-24 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:18:46 +0200 Tiziano Müller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh schrieb: > > On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:44:52 +0200 > > "Marijn Schouten (hkBst)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Perhaps we should just move DESCRIPTIONs to metadata. That would > >> make it impossible to us

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Forbid using versions in DESCRIPTION

2007-07-24 Thread Tiziano Müller
Petteri Räty schrieb: > > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=186454 In regard to this it makes sense to add a check (but only a warning) to repoman and document it in the devmanual. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Forbid using versions in DESCRIPTION

2007-07-24 Thread Tiziano Müller
Ciaran McCreesh schrieb: > On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:44:52 +0200 > "Marijn Schouten (hkBst)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Perhaps we should just move DESCRIPTIONs to metadata. That would make >> it impossible to use ${PV} and more importantly also remove some >> duplication. > > Got to be careful he

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Forbid using versions in DESCRIPTION

2007-07-24 Thread Tiziano Müller
Petteri Räty schrieb: > Ciaran McCreesh kirjoitti: >> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:06:40 +0300 >> Petteri Räty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> But is there anything that makes use of version specific DESCRIPTION >>> atoms? >> Yep. Have a look at sys-devel/gcc for example. Some versions include >> various

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Forbid using versions in DESCRIPTION

2007-07-24 Thread Robert Buchholz
On Tuesday, 24. July 2007 14:26, Petteri Räty wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh kirjoitti: > > On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:44:52 +0200 > > > > "Marijn Schouten (hkBst)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Perhaps we should just move DESCRIPTIONs to metadata. That would > >> make it impossible to use ${PV} and more i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Forbid using versions in DESCRIPTION

2007-07-24 Thread Marijn Schouten (hkBst)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Petteri Räty wrote: > Marijn Schouten (hkBst) kirjoitti: >> Perhaps we should just move DESCRIPTIONs to metadata. That would make it >> impossible to use ${PV} and more importantly also remove some duplication. > > > > > sounds like something for EAP

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Forbid using versions in DESCRIPTION

2007-07-24 Thread Petteri Räty
Ciaran McCreesh kirjoitti: > On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:44:52 +0200 > "Marijn Schouten (hkBst)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Perhaps we should just move DESCRIPTIONs to metadata. That would make >> it impossible to use ${PV} and more importantly also remove some >> duplication. > > Got to be careful

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Forbid using versions in DESCRIPTION

2007-07-24 Thread Petteri Räty
Ciaran McCreesh kirjoitti: > On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:06:40 +0300 > Petteri Räty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> But is there anything that makes use of version specific DESCRIPTION >> atoms? > > Yep. Have a look at sys-devel/gcc for example. Some versions include > various extensions, and say so in D

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Forbid using versions in DESCRIPTION

2007-07-24 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:44:52 +0200 "Marijn Schouten (hkBst)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Perhaps we should just move DESCRIPTIONs to metadata. That would make > it impossible to use ${PV} and more importantly also remove some > duplication. Got to be careful here. In the past it's been stated tha

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Forbid using versions in DESCRIPTION

2007-07-24 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:06:40 +0300 Petteri Räty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But is there anything that makes use of version specific DESCRIPTION > atoms? Yep. Have a look at sys-devel/gcc for example. Some versions include various extensions, and say so in DESCRIPTION. -- Ciaran McCreesh sig

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Forbid using versions in DESCRIPTION

2007-07-24 Thread David Shakaryan
Tiziano Müller wrote: As far as I understood it, having DESCRIPTION in the ebuild itself (rather than in metadata) means that DESCRIPTION is allowed to change between versions, whether "automatically" by using a version-dependent variable or "manually". Well, from what I understand, DESCRIPTION

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Forbid using versions in DESCRIPTION

2007-07-24 Thread Petteri Räty
Tiziano Müller kirjoitti: > Petteri Räty schrieb: >> Currently there are some ebuilds in the tree that use ${PV} in >> description which leads to results like: >> Description: Documentation (including API Javadocs) for >> Java SDK version 1.6.0 >> >> I did see anything in devmanual tak

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Forbid using versions in DESCRIPTION

2007-07-24 Thread Petteri Räty
Marijn Schouten (hkBst) kirjoitti: > Christian Faulhammer wrote: >> Petteri Rýty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >>> I did see anything in devmanual taking a stance on this issue: >>> http://devmanual.gentoo.org/ebuild-writing/variables/index.html >>> What do you think about adding a sentence or two saying

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Forbid using versions in DESCRIPTION

2007-07-24 Thread Tiziano Müller
Petteri Räty schrieb: > Currently there are some ebuilds in the tree that use ${PV} in > description which leads to results like: > Description: Documentation (including API Javadocs) for > Java SDK version 1.6.0 > > I did see anything in devmanual taking a stance on this issue: > htt

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Forbid using versions in DESCRIPTION

2007-07-24 Thread David Shakaryan
Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote: Perhaps we should just move DESCRIPTIONs to metadata. That would make it impossible to use ${PV} and more importantly also remove some duplication. I think that this is a great idea, for the reasons which you stated. I certainly hope this will not be yet another

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Forbid using versions in DESCRIPTION

2007-07-24 Thread Marijn Schouten (hkBst)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Christian Faulhammer wrote: > Petteri R�ty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> I did see anything in devmanual taking a stance on this issue: >> http://devmanual.gentoo.org/ebuild-writing/variables/index.html >> What do you think about adding a sentence or two

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Forbid using versions in DESCRIPTION

2007-07-24 Thread Christian Faulhammer
Petteri Räty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I did see anything in devmanual taking a stance on this issue: > http://devmanual.gentoo.org/ebuild-writing/variables/index.html > What do you think about adding a sentence or two saying that you > should not use version numbers in DESCRIPTION? This could even b